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Cal Thomas on Fox just nailed a PETA Doctor!
FOX News | 12/26/02 | me

Posted on 12/26/2002 5:56:36 PM PST by therut

Did anyone else see Cal Thomas(filling in for O'Reiley) slam the physician about the school luch programs. This was the same physician that was on the Washington Journal this a.m. talking about suing the fast food industries and wanting to take meat,milk and cheese out of the school lunch programs. He sounded real good this morning. Well Cal brought out that his spouse who he filed his tax returns with was the president of PETA. He denied he had a spouse but not that he filed tax return with "someone" as a spouse or that they are the president of PETA. He got kinda shook up. Cal also brought out that his group had received over a million dollars from PETA in donations. Wonder who his so called un-married spouse is??? The animal rights groups are atacking at the school level now. Kinda like the anti-gun and anti- everything left is getting more control of our society very slyly.


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1 posted on 12/26/2002 5:56:36 PM PST by therut
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To: therut
vegans sux0r
2 posted on 12/26/2002 6:00:06 PM PST by Maedhros
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To: therut
I must have just missed it
3 posted on 12/26/2002 6:00:42 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: therut
I saw that, too. I was busy fixing dinner for Free State One and Two so I wasn't hanging on every word, but he was very, very evasive and it was a very Clintonian moment. There was obvious obfuscation.
4 posted on 12/26/2002 6:02:09 PM PST by Free State Four
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To: therut
Wonder who his so called un-married spouse is???

Ingrid Newkirk.
He's Neal Barnard.
They're quite a couple. They are involved in numerous animal rights/anti-animal research/vegetarian organizations.

5 posted on 12/26/2002 6:04:12 PM PST by sistergoldenhair
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To: therut
There's supposed to be some statistical basis to the statement that vegetarians don't live quite as long as those of us who follow our evolutionary pattern of eating meat and drinking milk.
This is proper, IMHO.
6 posted on 12/26/2002 6:15:28 PM PST by Marauder
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To: sistergoldenhair
I saw both shows. This is a good illustration of C-SPAN and it idiotic selection of guests. Washington Journal is no more than a liberal, BORING, joke. Of the many I knew years ago who were C-SPAN junkies, including me, noone remains a viewer. It's sad how they've taken a good idea and ruined it with politically correct phone lines and producers.
I'm still a fan but only of some BOOKNOTES. Other than that, both their channels are dead in my house.
7 posted on 12/26/2002 6:15:41 PM PST by SouthCarolinaKit
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To: Marauder
If God didn't intend for us to eat animals, why did He make them out of meat?
8 posted on 12/26/2002 6:22:32 PM PST by the_doc
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To: SouthCarolinaKit
I saw both shows.
Other than that, both their channels are dead in my house.

I only saw the Fox program as CSPAN is dead at my house, too.

9 posted on 12/26/2002 6:25:07 PM PST by sistergoldenhair
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To: therut
And here is the rub. They lie about what their goal is when they sue the fast food companies. They say it is about health but it isn't. You look, and you see the rabid animal-rights groups behind them.

But then you apply that same logic, and you wonder if the radical animal rights groups are telling the truth about what their goal is. They say it is out of compassion for animals, but then they lie about why they file suits so what is not to say they are lying about what their real agenda is?

Because if you look deep enough, you will find the same old socialist/collectivist agenda.

10 posted on 12/26/2002 6:37:35 PM PST by William McKinley
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To: the_doc
LMBO...that's twice today you've cracked me up.
11 posted on 12/26/2002 6:41:45 PM PST by Dallas
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To: the_doc
Where did I recently read about someone asking a 'vegan'----- why if they love vegetables so much, that they eat them?
12 posted on 12/26/2002 6:47:31 PM PST by Exit148
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To: therut
Didn't see it but will watch the rerun.
13 posted on 12/26/2002 6:58:08 PM PST by Salvation
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To: therut
He denied he had a spouse but not that he filed tax return with "someone" as a spouse or that they are the president of PETA.

If I was unmarried and was filing joint tax returns with someone as married, I doubt that I would admit it on national TV. Someone from the IRS might just be watching.

14 posted on 12/26/2002 7:00:35 PM PST by templar
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To: Free State Four
Guess I'll catch the rerun later. Haven't watched any tv tonight.
15 posted on 12/26/2002 7:12:03 PM PST by barker
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To: Maedhros
Cal also nailed him on the denial that he was charged with unethical behavior by the AMA. Claimed it was 6 years ago so it didn't matter. Cal asked him if he was more ethical now and then proceeded to nail him in lie after lie. Liberals believe the truth isn't important if it furthers their communistic causes. Cal made mincemeat out of this vegan!

Pray for GW and our Troops

16 posted on 12/26/2002 7:18:01 PM PST by bray
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To: templar
That was so odd I had to read it twice . Good point .
17 posted on 12/26/2002 7:20:13 PM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: sistergoldenhair
Mine too!
18 posted on 12/26/2002 7:25:55 PM PST by VOYAGER
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To: therut
I didn't see it, but it is great to see all of those liberal guests on FNC and the look of shock on their faces when they realize that someone is actually questioning them on their ranting. They are so used to being given a pass on what they say.
19 posted on 12/26/2002 7:29:40 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: bray
I was very impressed with Cal Thomas, he doesn't let up or let them get away with anything! They had a brief shot of the 'vegan' doctor still trying to say something when he was cut off!
20 posted on 12/26/2002 7:33:22 PM PST by potlatch
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To: therut
The "altnernate" P.E.T.A. site.
21 posted on 12/26/2002 7:37:03 PM PST by KineticKitty
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To: therut
The whole discussion was civil and Cal had him in his heels from the get-go. I am not a real Cal Thomas fan, but this was a refreshing change from O'Reilly's teen sex fantasies. I thoroughly enjoyed the way Cal worked him over. The best parts were the question about the doctor's wife, and the questions about where the doctor's organization got the majority of it's funding - PETA.
22 posted on 12/26/2002 7:39:55 PM PST by OrioleFan
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To: potlatch
Did O'Reilly have this guy on once? I remember a doctor on O'Reilly with the thinnest neck and the hollowest cheeks that I have almost ever seen on a man who hasn't been in a concentration camp. He was pretending that all milk products are full of fat and dangerous to consume. His looks alone were enough to put you off his opinions. Could it have been the same guy?
23 posted on 12/26/2002 7:42:10 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: Marauder
There's supposed to be some statistical basis to the statement that vegetarians don't live quite as long as those of us who follow our evolutionary pattern of eating meat and drinking milk.

Not to mention, vegans look so "pasty."

My niece has chronic fatigue syndrome or something like that. She's 15 and is a vegetarian. My sister hasn't made the connection.

24 posted on 12/26/2002 7:46:20 PM PST by copycat
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To: templar
False assumption - If the IRS can prove you live with someone, they will FORCE you to file as married.

That's because us married folks pay more tax.

Heard of the "Marriage Penalty?"

25 posted on 12/26/2002 7:46:33 PM PST by patton
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To: Irene Adler
This guy looked like that. I got the idea that maybe his so called "spouse" was a guy and they filed as if married.(maybe another protest) I don't know why but that was they body language I read from him. He just repeated about three times he did not have a spouse. Maybe I'm reaching. Does anyone know if the current president of PETA is a man??
26 posted on 12/26/2002 7:47:31 PM PST by therut
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To: therut
It sounds like the same doctor I saw on O'R. Weird guy. His opnions weren't real persuasive once you got a good look at him. The other thing that annoyed me was that he didn't distingiush between whole milk, and 1 percent, skim, etc., but pretended that all milk products were equally high in fat which is plainly a lie by omission. O'R. didn't even try to catch him on it, either.
27 posted on 12/26/2002 7:52:17 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: therut
Saw the show.....still laughing at the way Cal cut him off at the end when he was trying to give out his web address.....to O'Reilly's millions of viewers.
28 posted on 12/26/2002 7:57:33 PM PST by mickie
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To: the_doc
We are "OMNIVORES," --as ANY Competent PaleoDentist will verify! Humans ARE NOT, & HAVE NEVER BEEN, "Vegetarians!" "VEGETARIANISM" is an Ignorant Perversion of Normal Human Dietary Requirements. HUMANS ARE OMNIVORES! Doc
29 posted on 12/26/2002 7:58:54 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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To: mickie
Cal Thomas needs his own show. He was very impressive tonight.
30 posted on 12/26/2002 8:00:16 PM PST by fabriclady
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To: therut
This was the same physician that was on the Washington Journal this a.m. talking about suing the fast food industries and wanting to take meat,milk and cheese out of the school lunch programs........
Let him have his way and stop the school lunch program. We can then blame PETA and not the Republicans for a change.
31 posted on 12/26/2002 8:10:05 PM PST by YOMO
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To: therut
read later
32 posted on 12/26/2002 8:11:08 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: therut
I need to go eat some meat.
33 posted on 12/26/2002 8:28:46 PM PST by tiki
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To: patton
"False assumption - If the IRS can prove you live with someone, they will FORCE you to file as married."

How could they do this?

Can't married couples choose to file individually?

34 posted on 12/26/2002 8:37:42 PM PST by There's millions of'em
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To: the_doc
If God didn't intend for us to eat animals, why did He make them out of meat?

LOL

35 posted on 12/26/2002 8:40:08 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: fabriclady
Cal Thomas needs his own show. He was very impressive tonight.

Cal HAS his own show on FOX during the weekends late. It just came out about 2 weeks ago. Something called After Hours with Cal Thomas, I think. I haven't seen it yet, but I like him.

36 posted on 12/26/2002 8:44:28 PM PST by MadelineZapeezda
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To: There's millions of'em
Sure. One can file as "Married, Filing Seperately." This allows you to split the marriage penalty between yourselves, if you are a silly liberal family with seperate finances.

The IRS is very accomodating to these things, you know...

37 posted on 12/26/2002 8:46:09 PM PST by patton
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To: therut
Sounds like a job for the IRS...

Well Cal brought out that his spouse who he filed his tax returns with was the president of PETA. He denied he had a spouse but not that he filed tax return with "someone" as a spouse or that they are the president of PETA. He got kinda shook up

38 posted on 12/26/2002 8:58:12 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: therut
Ingrid Newkirk


39 posted on 12/26/2002 9:01:50 PM PST by kcvl
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To: the_doc
If God didn't intend for us to eat animals, why did He make them out of meat?

Well, people are made out of meat, too.

40 posted on 12/26/2002 9:06:23 PM PST by SupplySider
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To: sistergoldenhair

Dr. Barnard has been instrumental in revolutionizing federal dietary guidelines.

Neal Barnard, M. D., a psychiatrist, started a group, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), which advocates medicine based on nutritious vegetarian diets and other positive life style changes, rather than reliance on animal experimentation and the use of drugs and surgery.

41 posted on 12/26/2002 9:08:26 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Irene Adler
I bet it was the same guy; this guy did not look healthy. He had a weird kind of almost greenish tint to his skin, and looked somewhat gaunt.
42 posted on 12/26/2002 9:10:47 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: SupplySider
The beef industry has contributed to more American deaths than all the wars of this century, all natural disasters, and all automobile accidents combined.

Neal Barnard, M.D.

43 posted on 12/26/2002 9:13:27 PM PST by kcvl
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To: B Knotts
Inhuman Animal Protection


John D. Young, V.M.D., M.S., Dipl. A.C.L.A.M.
Source: The Washington Times
July 28, 2002


Despite its name, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine pursues extreme animal rights campaigns against health charities and vital biomedical research.



In weighing Neal Barnard's rant about biomedical research, ("Animalistic Methods of Testing," July 14) it is important to understand that his perspective is intrinsically linked with an extreme animal rights philosophy.

Throughout its 17-year history, Dr. Barnard's organization, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), has found common cause with its sister group, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) whose leadership equates the life of a rat with that of a child. Both PCRM and PETA have launched initiatives aimed at stopping the humane and responsible use of laboratory animals in biomedical research. In the process, both PCRM and PETA have attacked several of the nation's leading health research charities and have sought to drive physicians and scientists away from their quest to improve human and animal health.

In response to PCRM's campaign of misinformation against important animal research on AIDS, the House of Delegates of the California Medical Association "voted unanimously to register the strongest objection to the lies and misrepresentations promulgated by (Neal Barnard's) organization."

Despite its name, only about 5% of PCRM's membership are physicians. Recently PCRM has been spending much of its $2.9 million dollar annual budget attempting to re-invent itself as a health/consumer watchdog group and draw media attention away from its adherence to the animal rights agenda.

Nevertheless, PCRM has continued to promote that agenda in its joint campaign with PETA against America's leading health charities that fund animal based biomedical research. We are not only talking about the March of Dimes, but also the American Heart Association , the American Cancer Society, St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, American Foundation for AIDS Research, The Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation, The American Red Cross and, yes, even Boys Town. Seventy charities in all are currently on PCRM/PETA's "don't donate" list. These are organizations that through their grants and contributions to biomedical research are responsible for hundreds of specific achievements in medical progress. These achievements range from development of the polio vaccine to the latest in genetic discoveries including identifying the genetic basis for diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and many types of cancer.

News of the fruits of medical research using animals can be found nearly every day in The Washington Times. Medical research using animals has been vital to the development of new antibiotics, blood transfusions, kidney dialysis, organ transplantation, vaccinations, chemotherapy, bypass surgery and joint replacement. Medical research using animals has also produced CT scans, PET scans and other state-of-the-art diagnostic devices that Neal Barnard incorrectly alleges can replace animals in medical research.

Even other animal groups disagree with PCRM's stance on animal-based research. Just this past week, Andrew Rowan, a senior vice president of the Humane Society of the United States told a reporter for The Philadelphia Inquirer, "It is probably not possible to (halt testing on animals) without harmful effects on humans."

I am a veterinarian involved in biomedical research, and along with my colleagues and Dr. Rowan, I look forward to the time that it will no longer be necessary to use laboratory animals to achieve the medical advances we seek. But PCRM is being disingenuous in suggesting that their use could be ended today. The "humane seal charities" championed by Neal Barnard--the majority involved in patient assistance, not research--do provide "essential health services" and they deserve our support. But the vital and necessary work performed by an AIDS hospice provides no hope for effective treatments or cures for millions of AIDS patients worldwide.

Dr. Barnard can barely contain his glee over the departure of researcher Michael Podell from Ohio State University. For three years Dr. Podell courageously withstood not only relentless criticism of his research into HIV/AIDS by groups such as PCRM and PETA (not the public as stated by Neal Barnard), but also death threats that targeted him and his young family. Dr. Podell's experience is matched by those of many other scientists throughout America whose vital work has been impeded by a small, vocal minority of activists on the fringe of the animal rights movement.

Dr. Barnard's mischaracterization of Dr. Podell's research is an example of how PCRM works to discredit research methods important to understanding disease. Dr. Podell's studies involved the use of cats infected with the feline immunodeficiency virus (FIV), a well-documented model of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). Both the HIV infection in humans and the FIV infection in cats cause a slow degeneration of the nervous system as the virus thrives in the body.

The very week he announced his departure from OSU, Dr. Podell and his team published a finding in the prestigious Journal of NeuroVirology. Dr. Podell's work demonstrated that methamphetamine abuse results in a drastic stimulation of FIV replication which results in accelerated brain cell death and spreading of the virus throughout the body. This finding could answer important questions about how lentiviruses such as FIV and HIV can gain a foothold in the brain. This knowledge is vital in slowing or lessening the dementia that often accompanies AIDS and similar diseases. This research will also help scientists learn more about the mechanisms at the root of this debilitating and brain damaging disease complex, knowledge that can be applied to other neurological diseases, such as stroke, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's diseases.

Ironically, PCRM is opposing research that could help animals, too. FIV is a serious problem in the cat population, and therapies that result from Dr. Podell's studies could be applicable to this natural cat disease.

Readers interested in learning more about this research and the extremely
high standards of care that laboratory animals receive at Ohio State University (and at research facilities throughout America) can see more on the OSU website. For more information on the ethical and humane nature of scientists' necessary work with animals in biomedical research, I encourage your readers to visit the Americans for Medical Progress website.

John D. Young, V.M.D., M.S., Dipl. A.C.L.A.M.
Chairman, Americans for Medical Progress Educational Foundation

Copyright retained by The Washington Times.

44 posted on 12/26/2002 9:18:42 PM PST by kcvl
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To: SupplySider

What’s going on?! On our “Amazing Inventions” pages you’ll find “caviar” - not that goop torn from a mother sturgeon’s tummy, but a vegan taste-alike called “Cavi*Art.” It sounds odd, doesn’t it? Faux fish? Even odder to me is remembering that I used to fish! I would stand in the warm Gulf Stream waters in my shorts, enjoying the sunshine and the surf and thinking peaceful thoughts. Did I think that those fish, the ones I watched struggle on my hook, were fake? How else can I explain that I blithely impaled them, handed them to my father to gut, and then threw my line into the water again? Who said humans are “thinking animals”?

"Dolphin-safe tuna" isn't good enough. We want "tuna-safe tuna."

Many people eat fish without catching them, but they are just paying someone else to do the dirty work. Most commercially sold fish are caught in enormous nets, which not only are cruel to fish, but also kill turtles, sea birds and dolphins. Please join me in saying “dolphin-safe tuna” isn’t good enough. We want “tuna-safe tuna” and “sea lion-safe salmon,” and the only way to have that is to say, “I’ll take the fake fish, please”!

For the animals,

Ingrid E. Newkirk
President

45 posted on 12/26/2002 9:26:57 PM PST by kcvl
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To: therut
Quotes

---"Our nonviolent tactics are not as effective. We ask nicely for years and get nothing. Someone makes a threat, and it works."
- Ingrid Newkirk, President and Co-Founder of PETA

---PeTA co-founder Ingrid Newkirk once said even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, "we'd be against it."

---"Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughter houses."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PeTA, The Washington Post, November 13, 1983.

---"Humans have grown like a cancer. We're the biggest blight on the face of the earth." (Reader's Digest, June, 1990)

---"I wish we all would get up and go into the labs and take the animals out or burn them down."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PeTA, National Animal Rights Convention '97, June 27, 1997

---“We’re reduced sometimes to doing stupid things to make serious points. Society doesn’t have the attention span it used to and we just have to put the animal’s plight in front of the public, come hell or high water,” Ingrid Newkirk, President, PeTA, tells ABC NEWS.

---"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are 'acceptable crimes' when used for the animal cause."
-Alex Pacheco, Director, PeTA

---"When it comes to feelings, a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy."

---"We feel that animals have the same rights as retarded children."
-Alex Pacheco, Director, PeTA, New York Times, January 14, 1989.

---"To those people who say, `My father is alive because of animal experimentation,' I say `Yeah, well, good for you. This dog died so your father could live.' Sorry, but I am just not behind that kind of trade off."
-- Bill Maher, PeTA celebrity spokesman

---"If the death of one rat cured all diseases, it wouldn't make any difference to me."
-- Chris De Rose, Director, Last Chance for Animals

---"Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation."
-- Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA

---"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys, they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship, they should seek it with their own kind,"
-- Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA

46 posted on 12/26/2002 9:29:54 PM PST by kcvl
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To: therut
Even painless research is fascism, supremacist, because the act of confinement is traumatizing in itself.
-- Ingrid Newkirk, Washingtonian, Aug. 1986


You don't have to own squirrels and starlings to get enjoyment from them ... One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild ... they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV.
-- Ingrid Newkirk, Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990.
47 posted on 12/26/2002 9:35:17 PM PST by kcvl
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To: B Knotts
I am not a morose person, but I would rather not be here. I don't have any reverence for life, only for the entities themselves. I would rather see a blank space where I am. This will sound like fruitcake stuff again, but at least I won't be harming anything.

-- Ingrid Newkirk, as quoted in Washington Post, 03 Nov. 1983.


48 posted on 12/26/2002 9:36:43 PM PST by kcvl
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To: potlatch
They had a brief shot of the 'vegan' doctor still trying to say something when he was cut off!

Yes. What he was saying when he got cut off was, "Our web site address is www..." It was great.

49 posted on 12/26/2002 9:38:11 PM PST by alnick
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To: therut
"We feel that animals have the same rights as a retarded human child."

New York Times, January 14, 1989 by Alex Pacheco

50 posted on 12/26/2002 9:38:23 PM PST by kcvl
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