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Rights activists seeking to halt citizen border patrols - groups that try to curb illegal crossings
Associated Press ^ | December 28, 2002 | Associated Press Staff

Posted on 12/28/2002 2:24:22 AM PST by MeekOneGOP


Rights activists seeking to halt citizen border patrols

New governor urged to stop groups that try to curb illegal crossings

12/28/2002

Associated Press

PHOENIX - Immigrants rights activists are urging Arizona's incoming governor to stop citizens groups that patrol border areas looking for illegal immigrants and smugglers.

Members of the Border Action Network asked Gov.-elect Janet Napolitano earlier this month to investigate the legality of the armed groups and their actions, which are aimed at curbing illegal border crossings.

"It's not their job to defend, to harass people, stalk people, injure people. That's nobody's job," said Jennifer Allen, co-director of the Tucson-based organization. "They [illegal immigrants] have civil rights and human rights that take precedence over defending the country."

There are now at least three citizens groups patrolling the Arizona-Mexico border, which has been one of the most active spots in the nation for illegal crossings during the last few years.

In at least one instance, one group seized about 280 pounds of marijuana from smugglers crossing a private ranch.

So far, there has been no known violence linked to the groups.

However, officials have warned of the potential for someone to get hurt during encounters between the groups and illegal immigrants or smugglers.

Human rights groups, such as the Arizona Civil Liberties Union and the Office of Peace and Justice, are backing activists opposing the citizens groups' actions, as are some local government officials and border residents.

"We are a government of law," said Pamela K. Sutherland, legal director of the Arizona Civil Liberties Union. "The vigilantism and lawlessness they [citizens militias] represent cannot be tolerated and we won't let their behavior go unchecked."

Members of the patrol groups said Wednesday that they have taken defensive measures because law enforcement has failed them.

"Citizens would not feel they have to do this if our elected officials were doing their job in providing security," said Chris Simcox, organizer of a militia called Civil Homeland Defense.

"We are humans who understand the plight of people who are fleeing Mexico, but it is not a situation we will tolerate," Mr. Simcox said.

Southern Arizona rancher Roger Barnett said he patrols his land to protect against people who are breaking the law. Mr. Barnett has on occasion confronted illegal immigrants and held them for authorities.

"There's no law down here. It's a dangerous place," he said. "These people who come in, they tear up the environment, they'll drive down the road like a crazy person. Everyone is in danger of these people. They're lawbreakers."

Border Action Network is also urging the government to investigate several incidents in which immigrants were killed or injured, including five cases from this year.

They include an October case where unknown gunmen opened fire on a group of illegal immigrants in Red Rock. Authorities are investigating whether smugglers were responsible for the shootings.

Ms. Napolitano's office received the organization's report on the patrol groups Wednesday but has yet to review it, said Napolitano spokeswoman Kris Mayes.

"There is no room in Arizona for vigilanteism," said Ms. Mayes.


Online at: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dallas/tsw/stories/122802dntexazvigilantes.24ff7.html


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
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1 posted on 12/28/2002 2:24:22 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing; madfly; Poohbah; FITZ; Bill Davis FR; mhking; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Houmatt; ...
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2 posted on 12/28/2002 2:31:09 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: MeeknMing
Oh, boy. Two eye-rollers in the same story: "We are a government of law" ('law' doesn't seem to apply to those who are actually BREAKING THE LAW) and "they (illegal immigrants) have civil rights and human rights that take precedence over defending the country."

I don't think these two morons have a chance of winning many people over to their side while making such statements. Basically, it comes down to: U.S. laws applies to U.S. citizens but not to those who break U.S. laws to enter the country; and the U.S. has no right to defend its borders because the lawbreakers seeking to enter illegally have some kind of right not to be stopped, detained or questioned in any way. And since when do the rights of illegal aliens supersede the right of U.S. citizens to DEFEND THE COUNTRY'S BORDERS?

WHAT?!?!? It sounds like anarchy on the border, and very few willing to ENFORCE THE LAW!
3 posted on 12/28/2002 2:33:27 AM PST by Calico Cat
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To: 1st Freedom 2A; 20yearvet; 356SC; 45ACP; 4mavet; abacab; Aerohawk; AHerald; Alexandre; Angelique; ..
Rights activists seeking to halt citizen border patrols -
groups that try to curb illegal crossings



Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Arizona ping list!. . .don't be shy.

4 posted on 12/28/2002 2:47:57 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Thank you !
5 posted on 12/28/2002 2:49:46 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
The same ACLU that's trying the rid the country of Christianity has the nerve to accuse Americans of wanting to secure their country's safety? Bwahahaha!!! No wonder assertive Americans make them scared and if I remember awright it was the same ACLU that went to court here in California to nullify citizens' votes to enact Proposition 187 to stop illegal immigration through the constitutional and political process. They've reaped what what they have sowed and since they've closed the door to the public to stop illegal immigration by lawful means, there's really only one recourse left. And for what its worth, these groups aren't doing anything different than liberals did back in the 60s trying to bring to government leaders' attention an unjust AND illegal situation Americans refuse to put up with AFTER 9-11. I say to the citizen border patrols - you go guys and keep up the good work --- you make Americans proud of what you're doing to keep our country secure from its enemies.
6 posted on 12/28/2002 2:59:40 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: Calico Cat
I don't think these two morons have a chance of winning many people over to their side while making such statements.

While I agree with your thoughts...NEVER underestimate the foolishness of a lib. Napolitano is as lib as they get...don't be surprised if she manages to turn AZ into a socialist enclave.

7 posted on 12/28/2002 2:59:43 AM PST by borisbob69
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To: borisbob69
The Left wants to complete the work of destroying America and they're not really unhappy 9-11 happened despite all their handwringing - its just that they disagreed with the terrorists' means to do it and not with the ultimate objective. They're still a threat to this country and right now they're still engaged in sawing right under its foundations.
8 posted on 12/28/2002 3:03:59 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: Calico Cat
Check this one out...

Border attack charges dropped - Evidence not tied
to 13 Mexicans accused of assaulting FBI agents

Thirteen Mexican citizens accused of robbing a border train were returned to Mexico.

9 posted on 12/28/2002 3:05:40 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
Good Morning, Meek. Great thread!!!!


10 posted on 12/28/2002 3:54:51 AM PST by SheLion
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To: MeeknMing
Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Arizona ping list!. . .don't be shy.

Can I get on? LOL! Seriously!

11 posted on 12/28/2002 3:58:16 AM PST by SheLion
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To: MeeknMing
Maybe our three lovely ladies, mentioned above, would like to stand in for their FBI sister (mentioned in the previous post), and receive a complimentary Louisville Slugger massage graciously provided by the enlightened citizens of Mexico.

My stomach churns when I listen to the drivel coming out of the mouths of these stupid (and ignorant) airheads. A pox on them all.
12 posted on 12/28/2002 4:12:26 AM PST by David Isaac
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To: MeeknMing
Boy, I just can't wait to see Butch (our incoming governor El Napo) try to stop these people from doing what is lawful and right!!!

I hope Kris Eggle's parents give Butch a piece of their mind!! (He's the 28 year old ranger that was killed by a Mexican drug runner)

13 posted on 12/28/2002 4:31:30 AM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: DLfromthedesert
Meek must have gone to bed....
14 posted on 12/28/2002 4:43:57 AM PST by SheLion
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To: MeeknMing
"Immigrants rights activists "

Since we are talking here about ILLEGAL immigrants why do you need activists when you only have one right? The right to stay out of our country!

15 posted on 12/28/2002 4:49:09 AM PST by Feckless
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ping
16 posted on 12/28/2002 4:49:57 AM PST by madfly
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To: goldstategop; All
Here is a link to the Border Action Network's (formerly known as SWARM) report.

HATE or Heroism (a .pdf file)

BorderAction.org (website)

17 posted on 12/28/2002 5:19:11 AM PST by madfly
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To: goldstategop
The Left wants to complete the work of destroying America ...

You have a solid understanding of the goal of the liberals, i.e., the "big picture." Nothing the liberal activists do makes any sense until that simple fact is acknowledged, then everything falls into place, and their motives become clear.

Now, how do we stop them?

18 posted on 12/28/2002 5:25:54 AM PST by Marauder
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To: SheLion
Please put me on the list
19 posted on 12/28/2002 5:29:28 AM PST by Tripleplay
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To: Calico Cat
I don't think these two morons have a chance of winning many people over to their side while making such statements.

Unfortunately, they only have to convince one person, a judge.

20 posted on 12/28/2002 5:31:29 AM PST by Tripleplay
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To: Tripleplay
Please put me on the list

This is MeeknMing's post, hon, you need to ask him!


21 posted on 12/28/2002 5:38:19 AM PST by SheLion
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To: MeeknMing
"It's not their job to defend, to harass people, stalk people, injure people. That's nobody's job," said Jennifer Allen, co-director of the Tucson-based organization. "They [illegal immigrants] have civil rights and human rights that take precedence over defending the country."

I thought liberals regarded safe neighborhoods to be a civil right. I wish the citizens' border patrol was an issue during the AZ Governor's race. It would have compelled the candidates to make a stronger stand on illegal immigration. During one of the debates on C-Span, Gov.-elect Jane Napolitano said that illegal immigration is something the state should not get involved in because it is a federal issue. Well, now she considering to use governorship authority against the border defenders. What a lying witch!!! I hope AZ conservatives will use those words against her, and freep her out of office 4 years from now.

22 posted on 12/28/2002 6:49:44 AM PST by Kuksool
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To: Calico Cat
Oh, boy. Two eye-rollers in the same story: "We are a government of law" ('law' doesn't seem to apply to those who are actually BREAKING THE LAW) and "they (illegal immigrants) have civil rights and human rights that take precedence over defending the country."

What stood out when I read it was that they they considered armed Americans to be illegal, that Americans do not have the right to use arms to defend themselves and their property.

Easy enough argument to counter in this instance. Governor, call out the militia!

23 posted on 12/28/2002 6:58:10 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
""They [illegal immigrants] have civil rights and human rights that take precedence over defending the country."

These people Arizona Civil Liberties Union and the Office of Peace are out of touch with the U.S. Constitution. Please read:

Civil Homeland Defense: Throwing Down the Gaunlet By Chris Simcox, Tombstone Tumbleweed Published 12. 16. 02 at 22:58 Sierra Time Dear friends south of the border of the United States of America. Many of you are violating the southern United States land border with Mexico. There are ways in which you can enter the United States legally. We now must insist that you heed this warning to enter legally or be repelled by American citizens. We do not want to create trouble for anyone, nor do our countries need problems at a time when we are fighting terrorism.

If your country was attacked the way in which the United States was on September 11th, 2001, would you do anything different than protecting your borders? It is a fact that your country of Mexico has 20,000 plus troops protecting your southern border with Guatemala. We only want the same protection as you do.

Our United States government has let us down; we the people of the United States have the Constitutional right to protect our own borders. We will stop anyone from entering into this country in Arizona, until the President of the United States of America sends troops to do the job. At that time, we will go home, we will return to our normal lives.

You must understand the seriousness of our intentions:
We will defend our borders to deter entry other than legally into this country. We will protect the sovereignty of our borders; we are not out to "get" anyone.

Our intention is to force the United States Government to protect our borders, all of them. When the government responds we will go home. Please go through the proper channels of immigration to enter our country. If you do not do it legally we will do what is necessary to defend our borders.

Trespassers are not welcome.

Please remember that on the 120 ft. right of way that separates our border, we the people have absolute authority to repel trespassers; we have more authority and freedom than the Border Patrol, Customs, INS, and yes, even the United States military.

We respect your need for jobs; come here legally and we welcome you. We do not respect criminals or drug dealers, you are not welcome. It is as simple as that. We are not racists; we respect human rights. We respect your laws and rules of entry.

You must respect our laws and rules of entry. We hope you do not challenge the American citizens on this matter.

Again, our goals are to:

Protect United States Borders, North and South
We will deter and prohibit illegal entry into the United States
We will force the U.S. Government to Protect U.S. Borders
We will be relieved of duty and go home.

Thank you for listening.

Chris SimcoxCivil Homeland Defense
Acting as a citizen by permission of the President of the United States George Bush
© 2002 SierraTimes.com (unless otherwise noted) Permission to reprint/republish granted, as long as you include the name of our site, the author, and our URL. www.SierraTimes.com All Sierra Times news reports, and all editorials are © 2002 SierraTimes.com (unless otherwise noted) SierraTimes.com™ A Subsidiary of J.J. Johnson Enterprises, Inc. http://www.sierratimes.com/02/12/17/arcs121702.htm
Newspaper of Cochise County Tombstone, Arizona. PO Box 1579

24 posted on 12/28/2002 7:01:21 AM PST by yoe
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To: madfly
Incredible!

Did you see Cal Thomas last night..he tried to blame the Democrats for this mess..he backled off slightly..but the truth is out there..This is a Republican plan from start to finish..the dems jumped on for what they could get . But the "credit" is Republican..

Pathetic

25 posted on 12/28/2002 7:18:41 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To All

I suggest everyone write this group and explain to them that the law is being broken by illegal aliens - not byAmerican Citizens who are merely exercising their rights by the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

ARIZONA CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION
P.O. Box 17148
Phoenix, AZ 85011-0148
Phone: 602-650-1854: Fax: 602-650-1376
director@azclu.org
Jean Braucher, Esq., President
Eleanor Eisenberg, Esq., Executive Director
Pamela Sutherland, Esq., Legal Director
Donna Foote, Administrator

26 posted on 12/28/2002 7:19:29 AM PST by yoe
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To: Kuksool
"I thought liberals regarded safe neighborhoods to be a civil right."

Only their own neighborhoods.

27 posted on 12/28/2002 7:27:51 AM PST by Paulie
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To: Calico Cat
Basically, it comes down to: U.S. laws applies to U.S. citizens but not to those who break U.S. laws to enter the country; and the U.S. has no right to defend its borders because the lawbreakers seeking to enter illegally have some kind of right not to be stopped, detained or questioned in any way.

Well put.

Seems the illegal border crossers have all kinds of "rights," while the U.S. citizens living near the border have none -- no right to defend themselves or their property, no right to safety or security. Seems the citizens are supposed to shut up, turn the other cheek, and just take it.

28 posted on 12/28/2002 7:28:23 AM PST by Nea Wood
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To: BJungNan
Arizona's election: Fair or Foul with Fraud? How many illegals on the voter rolls, absentee scams, Indian reservation hi-jinks, multiple voters?

Need an Arizona native's educated opinion.

29 posted on 12/28/2002 7:43:12 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: BJungNan
Arizona's election: Fair or Foul with Fraud? How many illegals on the voter rolls, absentee scams, Indian reservation hi-jinks, multiple voters?

Need an Arizona native's educated opinion.

30 posted on 12/28/2002 7:43:21 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: MeeknMing
Arizona residents will soon realize what fascist lesbo b$tch clone of Jake Reno, Gov.-elect Jake Napolitano is.

She will tromple every right of the tax paying farmers, ranchers and home owners in Arizona.

She will make it a hate crime to even think about saying illegal aliens.

La Raza and other Mexican anti American organizations with the ACLU will work 24/7 to destroy our constitution and the constitution of Arizona.

Arizona, the proud home of McAinal and now Gov.-elect Jake Napolitano, bull dyke Lesbo Fascist!
31 posted on 12/28/2002 7:43:27 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Grand-Pa, surely you jest...lesbo? Hummmm...

Watch her like a Hawk, put her feet in the fire. Those of us in AZ must all re-read the Arizona Constitution and hold her to it.!

Preamble
We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution.

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/const/constitution2000.pdf

Then re-read and study the United States Constitution. Janet will bend all rules...so watch her.

32 posted on 12/28/2002 7:58:50 AM PST by yoe
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To: MeeknMing
When organized government abdicates its responsibility then citizens will take over.
33 posted on 12/28/2002 8:05:20 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: Nea Wood
>>Seems the illegal border crossers have all kinds of "rights," while the U.S. citizens living near the border have none -- no right to defend themselves or their property, no right to safety or security<<


Well said.

Problem is, the ACLU and these other Marxist pro illegal alien, so called human rights groups do not believe in any individual property rights. They just don't believe individual ownership of land.
The Cold War continues right in our own land.
34 posted on 12/28/2002 8:07:29 AM PST by Missouri
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To: Marauder
These people do not wish to destroy America they wish to control America and each and every American. Our office holders will help them. Just watch! THAT is how bad the office holder has become.
35 posted on 12/28/2002 8:09:09 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: yoe; Grampa Dave; MeeknMing; DLfromthedesert; Marine Inspector; Spiff; gubamyster; Missouri; ...
You bet. gubnah 2bee Butch has spent half a mil on a DC office. If you all want to see our lovely new Border Governor Group member, she will be on ABC tomorrow morning with Kyl.

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ABC's "This Week" — Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.; Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich.; Gov.-elect Janet Napolitano, D-Ariz.; Gov.-elect Mark Sanford, R-S.C.

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36 posted on 12/28/2002 8:14:23 AM PST by madfly
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To: yoe
Watch your new governor to be, a clone of Jake Reno in many ways.

After she is sworn in to the gods of the Perverted, she will go to work in dismantling this part of your constitution as a hate crime and lack of separation of state and church:We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution.

Good luck with the clone of Jake Reno!

37 posted on 12/28/2002 8:15:58 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: madfly
A great way to describe the clone of Jake Reno, your new Jake as incoming governor: Gubnah 2bee Butch has spent half a mil on a DC office.

So 2Bee Butch has a DC office and has spent over a half million? Apparently the hostile gay crowd of America have opened their check books to make her, their new Jake Reno.

38 posted on 12/28/2002 8:19:47 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
I have to credit that nick to DLfromthedesert, an active republican party member, who has lots of knowledge on this demorat she calls Butch!
39 posted on 12/28/2002 8:23:20 AM PST by madfly
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
I like to call statements like this... TREASON:

" "They [illegal immigrants] have civil rights and human rights that take precedence over defending the country." "

40 posted on 12/28/2002 8:24:51 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Republic of Texas; MeeknMing; madfly; All
Is this b$tch, Jennifer Allen related to OSAMA MAMA MURRAY?

Jennifer Allen, co-director of the Tucson-based organization. "They [illegal immigrants] have civil rights and human rights that take precedence over defending the country."

It is obvious that Seattle and Portland, Oregon aren't the only areas in America where traitors hold power and hate the safety of America! Of course she makes her living from the tax $'s of Arizonians and Americans protecting the great rights of the illegal aliens!

41 posted on 12/28/2002 8:31:12 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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42 posted on 12/28/2002 8:42:06 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: madfly
>>she will be on ABC tomorrow morning with Kyl.<<


I wish Chris Simcox or Tom Tancredo would be on with her for a little balace.
43 posted on 12/28/2002 9:32:16 AM PST by Missouri
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To: SheLion
LOL ! Woody needs some CPR/serious medical attn ! Thanks...
44 posted on 12/28/2002 9:34:20 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: SheLion
You are now on ! Thank you.
45 posted on 12/28/2002 9:36:11 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: SheLion; Tripleplay
I've added you to the list, Tripleplay ! Thanks...

SheLion: Nah, I didn't go to sleep. I went to Bally's and had a workout. Now I'm playin' Ketchup, as usual !

46 posted on 12/28/2002 9:47:23 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
You are now on ! Thank you.


47 posted on 12/28/2002 9:52:17 AM PST by SheLion
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To: Grampa Dave
Tell 'em, Grampa ! Thanks....
48 posted on 12/28/2002 9:52:28 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
"It's not their job to defend, to harass people, stalk people, injure people. That's nobody's job," said Jennifer Allen, co-director of the Tucson-based organization. "They [illegal immigrants] have civil rights and human rights that take precedence over defending the country."

I nearly hit the floor when I read this. Unbelievable! She should be be tried for treason.

49 posted on 12/28/2002 9:54:31 AM PST by montag813
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To: goldstategop; David Isaac; DLfromthedesert; Feckless; Kuksool; AEMILIUS PAULUS
Thanks for your comments, etc., folks !
50 posted on 12/28/2002 9:59:15 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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