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FBI Looking for Five Illegal Immigrants (five men of Arab ancestry entered illegally Dec. 24)
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Posted on 12/29/2002 1:33:31 PM PST by RCW2001

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To: spectre
Looking at the photos they could pass as Hispanic..
101 posted on 12/29/2002 2:51:47 PM PST by Dog
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To: spectre
Agreed, I would have started leaking this last night with the Sunday papers to get the word out.
102 posted on 12/29/2002 2:53:14 PM PST by ewing
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To: concerned about politics
Oh great. Now Fox is talking about black muslims being disinfranchized at the voting booths! *sigh* Only in America!

This can't possible be true. Don't you know that Faux (sic) News is nothing but John Birchers 24/7/365? </sarcasm>

103 posted on 12/29/2002 2:53:23 PM PST by Timesink
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To: Dog
FOX NEWS: First names sound Pakistani per a journalist.
104 posted on 12/29/2002 2:53:23 PM PST by nwrep
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To: Dog; Miss Marple
If you haven't gone to this link, please do. (FBI Islamokazi Martyr link) There is a very scary tag re suicide letter under one of the photos. On the video, I can't get mine to play past a few seconds. The first guy on looks like he has Hamas/Arafat head gear on and appears to be making a suicide statement on the video. Apparently the FBI got a copy of this video and knows who the potential Islamakazis (these 5) are.
105 posted on 12/29/2002 2:54:27 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: spectre
Last time I crossed from Canada to Washington State all you needed was a driver’s license, which you can get in Washington State with out proof of citizenship. That was before 09/11/01. I do not know if this still true.
106 posted on 12/29/2002 2:54:34 PM PST by Friend of thunder
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To: jimbo123; All
Fox is reporting that the lst, second and last names of each of the individuals was what made them suspicious..

Alias, lst name Iranian, second name Pakistanian, third name ?

sw

107 posted on 12/29/2002 2:54:58 PM PST by spectre
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To: All
This does seem fairly breathless, but with very little real clues, like where to look. Please excuse my skepticism, but it almost sounds like CYA.

If we have pictures, names, and DOBs, it sounds like someone didn't share this info with immigration (because of the almighty ongoing investigation) before they crossed the border. They probably signed their names as they crossed the border.
108 posted on 12/29/2002 2:55:43 PM PST by OReilly
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To: spectre
I'm stunned they didn't give details which State they entered into from Canada.

Agreed.

Are they headed to LA via Washington State?

(or)

Are they in a SAFE HOUSE right now in up-state New Yawk after having crossed from Montreal, ready to proceed to Times Square via safe houses in NJ?

109 posted on 12/29/2002 2:56:17 PM PST by DoctorMichael
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To: nwrep
Why can't our FBI be stand-up guys and tell us who, when, where, and why? They say they want the public's help. Well guys, give us something to work with and we just might be able to help you!
110 posted on 12/29/2002 2:56:57 PM PST by NetValue
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To: spectre
Why aren't the feds providing a description of the car? Especially if the names are aliases, the car could be of more use. And the feebs can't seem to make up their minds, yes they were aware of these guys, no they weren't. I'm getting a very bad feeling about this....
111 posted on 12/29/2002 2:56:59 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: spectre
Sunday's front page in most newspapers was probably done Friday night.

Quit your bitching and send the link of these photos to your email list. Or do you just prefer to bithc and moan?
112 posted on 12/29/2002 2:57:04 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: OReilly
Or CYA has failed internally and the Feds are now throwing the doors open to the public.

This will lead every newscast until News Years Eve..

113 posted on 12/29/2002 2:57:33 PM PST by ewing
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To: spectre
What country issued the passports?
114 posted on 12/29/2002 2:57:40 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Dog
Looking at the photos they could pass as Hispanic..

Especially this guy. All he needs is a bandana wrapped around his head and he'd look like a cholo.

ABID NORAIZ ALI

115 posted on 12/29/2002 2:58:20 PM PST by csvset
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To: RCW2001
Looks like they're all shaved down and ready to roll.
116 posted on 12/29/2002 2:58:30 PM PST by ErnBatavia
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To: spectre
"Does a person need a passport picture to cross from Canada to the U.S.?"

A Canadian citizen can enter the US with proof of citizenship plus government issued photo ID. I usually use my birth certificate and driver's licence rather than carry my passport. A naturalized citizen would have a citizenship card which has a photo on it. Non-Canadians are subject to whatever rules apply to their country of citizenship.

I'm thinking that these guys probably crossed at multiple points of entry simultaneously or close to it, by land, maybe even by different methods. I'm thinking that most were probably on transit rather than in private cars because the INS officer must take into account that a prolonged search will hold up a bus or train full of people. Plus, I would hope that if they had cars that the details and licence plate numbers would be published. I think planes are unlikely because airlines must turn their passenger manifest over to security and they can run a check on everyone on the plane before it lands, when they bought their ticket, how they paid, etc. I don't think that is the case with bus or rail passengers.

As for the pics, the first one appears to be a school photo, the next two look like ID photos. The last two are sketches.

117 posted on 12/29/2002 2:59:46 PM PST by badfreeper
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To: mewzilla
Good point, someone has got to have a description of the car. (even if it is almost a week old)

Perhaps it has been abandoned and someone will call in..

118 posted on 12/29/2002 2:59:52 PM PST by ewing
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To: Grampa Dave
How do you know I didn't?

Geeze...take your meds, gramps.

sw

119 posted on 12/29/2002 3:00:30 PM PST by spectre
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To: DoctorMichael
They're probably making their final preparations in an Al-Qaida safe house in Chappaqua, New York right now.
120 posted on 12/29/2002 3:01:34 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: ewing
Well, even if the darn car is abandoned we'd need to check if for chem, bio, or radiological traces. It could give us a heads up. We need the car, darn it. Where's the description?
121 posted on 12/29/2002 3:01:35 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: Grampa Dave
Al Rauf Bin Al Habib Bin Yousef Al-Jiddi Passport-type Photo Found with Suicide Letter

Uh-oh! They mean business then.

122 posted on 12/29/2002 3:01:55 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Dog
Those Mooslims could pass for one of these guys.


123 posted on 12/29/2002 3:02:21 PM PST by AF68
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To: texasbluebell
Mansoor Ijaz on FOX NEWS confirmed all sound and look like Pakistanis or people from the NWFP between P'tan and A'tan.
124 posted on 12/29/2002 3:03:31 PM PST by nwrep
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To: texasbluebell
If you view the video tape that appears to be a pre suicide tape, it is very scary.
125 posted on 12/29/2002 3:04:49 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: badfreeper; jimbo123
Jimbo, we don't know what country issued the passport photo's, or if they had one, we are ALL speculating...

Good thinking, badfreeper. Perhaps some passengers reported they acted suspiciously and they didn't drive over the border by car after all.

Maybe the FBI shaved the "faces" for all intents and purposes?

sw

127 posted on 12/29/2002 3:06:04 PM PST by spectre
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To: Grampa Dave
Damn Gramps. We have a 56K dial up. Can't get anything on this darn thing.
128 posted on 12/29/2002 3:06:56 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: spectre
Take your meds and try to help instead throwing the BS around.

The blame game can be played later.

Right, now if you really care about your fellow Americans get this link out to your friends and family and others on your email list!

Without the sound, the video of the one Islamokazi is very scary.

129 posted on 12/29/2002 3:07:43 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: nwrep
Thanks for that information. I turned Fox on late, so missed all this.
130 posted on 12/29/2002 3:07:56 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: spectre
It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. The only way to secure the nation is to secure the borders and make citizens of "terrorist" nations unwelcome.
131 posted on 12/29/2002 3:08:20 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: Grampa Dave
25 January 2002


Ashcroft Releases Name of Fifth Suspected Al Qaeda Member

Suspect is 36-year-old Canadian citizen born in Tunisia

Attorney General John Ashcroft says the U.S. government has identified a Canadian man as the fifth suspected al Qaeda member seen delivering martyrdom messages in videotapes discovered in the bombed out residence in Afghanistan of Mohammed Atef, believed to have been Osama bin Laden's military chief.

The man is Al-Rauf bin Al Habib bin Yousef Al-Jiddi, 36, a Canadian citizen born in Tunisia, Ashcroft said in remarks prepared for delivery at a January 25 news conference.

"We identified Al-Jiddi through discovery of a suicide letter found in the ruins of the Atef residence by U.S. military personnel in Afghanistan," the attorney general said. "The letter, which is still being analyzed, was recently translated. In addition, the Canadian government assisted us in identifying Al-Jiddi."

The Justice Department last week released videos and photos of five suspected members of al-Qaeda. It identified the other four men but the fifth man's identify was not known at the time.

Ashcroft said the FBI also is looking for an associate of Al-Jiddi, identified as Faker Boussora, 37, also a Canadian citizen born in Tunisia. Boussora may be traveling with Al-Jiddi and "both individuals should be considered extremely dangerous," Ashcroft said.

He urged anyone who believes that he or she knows the identity or the whereabouts of Al-Jiddi, Boussora, or the four other suspected terrorists to contact the nearest FBI office or visit the FBI's website -- www.ifccfbi.gov -- or contact a U.S. embassy or consulate if they are unable to contact the FBI.


132 posted on 12/29/2002 3:08:48 PM PST by kcvl
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To: concerned about politics
Algerian would make sense because one of the terrorist groups in Seattle, on that map that we used to see posted, was Algerian.
133 posted on 12/29/2002 3:09:28 PM PST by Eva
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To: RCW2001
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134 posted on 12/29/2002 3:09:57 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Grampa Dave
Grampa, can you summarize/screen shot/highlight for us etc?
135 posted on 12/29/2002 3:10:06 PM PST by txhurl
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To: concerned about politics
It took for ever to load the first part. I have viewed it a couple of times. The Islamokazi in the video is really very nervous, shaky and intent. He probably left a suicide letter with the video.

Somehow the FBI got the video and knows who his companions are. Now they are asking for our help to get these pictures around. I sent the link to all on my email address list.
136 posted on 12/29/2002 3:11:00 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
This is bad news. The shoe may be about to drop, if this guys are now on a suicide mission.

We can only hope those in the muslim community will pick up something and alert the feds, because these guys have probably, as others said, gone to ground in a safe house somewhere.

137 posted on 12/29/2002 3:11:03 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: kcvl
"both individuals should be considered extremely dangerous,"

Oh crap.

138 posted on 12/29/2002 3:11:16 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Grampa Dave
Following are Ashcroft's remarks as prepared for delivery:

U.S. Department of Justice Prepared Remarks of Attorney General John Ashcroft Fifth Suspected Terrorist Press Conference January 25, 2002

Last Thursday, along with FBI Director Mueller, the Department of Justice released photographs and video of five suspected terrorists. Our initial analysis of the video indicated that the videotapes depicted young men delivering what appeared to be martyrdom messages from suicide terrorists. As of last week, we had identified four of the individuals -- Ramzi Binalshibh, Abd Al-Rahim, Muhammed Sa'id Ali Hasan, and Khalid Ibn Muhammad Al-Juhani. At that time, the identity of the fifth suspected terrorist remained unknown.

Over the last week, we have received hundreds of leads from conscientious citizens across the country and around the world. With these leads and further analysis of the evidence recovered from the rubble of Mohammed Atef's house in Afghanistan, we have gained additional information about the fifth suspected terrorist. The name of the fifth terrorist is Al-Rauf bin Al Habib bin Yousef Al-Jiddi. Al-Jiddi, who is a Canadian citizen and was born in Tunisia is 36 years old. He has black hair, is approximately 5'10" and may weigh approximately 220 pounds. We identified Al-Jiddi through discovery of a suicide letter found in the ruins of the Atef residence by U.S. military personnel in Afghanistan. The letter, which is still being analyzed, was recently translated. In addition, the Canadian government assisted us in identifying Al-Jiddi.

We have also identified an associate who may be traveling with Al-Jiddi. His name is Faker Boussora. He is 37 years of age, is approximately 5'8", weighs approximately 160 to 170 pounds, and has a round face and prominent ears. We believe Boussora may also be involved in a martyrdom mission. Boussora also is a Canadian citizen born in Tunisia.

The FBI has alerted law enforcement authorities across the United States and is also working closely with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Both individuals should be considered extremely dangerous. Additionally, the FBI has provided law enforcement with the same pictures you see to my left. The photograph in the upper left is the picture you saw last week of Al-Jiddi taken from the video. Below that picture, is a photograph retouched by the FBI to show how Al-Jiddi may look with a westernized appearance. The picture in the upper right was found with the 1999 suicide letter. Finally, the picture in the lower right corner is Faker Boussora, Al-Jiddi's associate.

Today I am also disclosing FBI retouched photographs of the other 4 individuals seen on the video recovered from Atef's residence in Afghanistan. Again, these retouched photos show how these individuals may look with a westernized appearance. We hope that by providing these photos to the media that citizens will be able to help law enforcement identify and apprehend these terrorists.

In particular, I would like to thank the Canadian government for providing significant assistance in the identification of Al-Jiddi. Today's announcement demonstrates the extraordinarily close and cooperative relationship that has been built between the United States and Canadian law enforcement.

Today's announcement is another example of the integrated effort we are pursuing to protect all people -- of all nations -- from cowardly acts of terrorism. It is a seamless effort that involves civil authorities, military authorities, intelligence resources, intelligence analysis, law enforcement, and the cooperation of foreign governments. As we discover more information, we will continue to share it with the international community to assist our efforts against terrorism.

Again, I want to advise the public to exercise vigilance and common sense in the face of a terrorism threat. Anyone who believes that he or she knows the identity or the whereabouts of Al-Jiddi, Boussora, or the four other suspected terrorists is urged to contact the nearest FBI office or visit the FBI's website -- www.ifccfbi.gov -- or contact the U.S. embassy or consulate in a foreign setting if they are unable to contact the FBI.

Thank you. Now, I will be happy to take questions.


139 posted on 12/29/2002 3:11:23 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Grampa Dave
I'm asking questions like everyone else, and sorry if it doesn't melt your butter...quit taking it out on me. I've got enough to handle turning a Ham into Bean soup and trying to follow this story!

BUT, soon as I can log on to Mr. Spectre's laptop, instead of WEBTV, I'll watch the scarey video...geeeze!

sw

140 posted on 12/29/2002 3:11:57 PM PST by spectre
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To: Eva
Good work Eva, so it looks like our Al Qaeda ghouls are using the same method as the failed 2000 New Years plan.
141 posted on 12/29/2002 3:12:09 PM PST by ewing
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To: Cindy
Thanks for the documentation!
142 posted on 12/29/2002 3:14:03 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: spectre; Grampa Dave
Quit argufying! Let's figure out where these creeps might be! I love you both, but Jeez, Louise, let's not get testy with each other!
143 posted on 12/29/2002 3:15:14 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Dec31,1999
The only way to secure the nation is to secure the borders and make citizens of "terrorist" nations unwelcome.

Yes, and to make the borders truly secure we will need to significantly slow the flow of trade across the boarder, especially with Canada. This will hurt but can not be helped.

144 posted on 12/29/2002 3:15:15 PM PST by Friend of thunder
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To: nwrep
Pakistani names it seems. If they held Pakistani passports, they were required to be fingerprinted by the INS.
145 posted on 12/29/2002 3:15:26 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Miss Marple
Looks like on the photos one of them may be Asian as well..
146 posted on 12/29/2002 3:16:31 PM PST by ewing
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To: Miss Marple
You are right..

sw

147 posted on 12/29/2002 3:17:15 PM PST by spectre
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To: jimbo123
FWIW, Ijaz on FOX also said some of them could be Persian.
148 posted on 12/29/2002 3:17:16 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: RCW2001
Are any of these guys believed to be of Saudi nationality?

I'm sure they are just coming in to practice some "religion of peace."

149 posted on 12/29/2002 3:18:19 PM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: Grampa Dave
Grampa, the video is not of the recent BOTL (be on the lookout) list.
Here is the link for the current suspects.
Current Suspects
150 posted on 12/29/2002 3:18:20 PM PST by Crusader21stCentury
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