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FBI Looking for Five Illegal Immigrants (five men of Arab ancestry entered illegally Dec. 24)
Associated Press

Posted on 12/29/2002 1:33:31 PM PST by RCW2001

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To: Friend of thunder
Yes, and to make the borders truly secure we will need to significantly slow the flow of trade across the boarder, especially with Canada. This will hurt but can not be helped.

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151 posted on 12/29/2002 3:19:01 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: jimbo123
Things we need to ascertain:

1. Country of nationality...Pakistan, Iran, Algeria, Morocco...where? This is important because they will no doubt look for a safe house with others of the same nationality.

2. Where did they cross? Border checkpont, or unmonitored area? If a border checkpoiint, why weren't they stopped?

3. At what part of the country did they cross? Seattle? New York? Minnesota?

4. Did they cross in one vehicle, or did they cross individually? If in one vehicle, what make, model, color, and license plate number?

I suggest everyone listen to newes channels, check web sites and local broadcasts, and report anything new here.

152 posted on 12/29/2002 3:20:17 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: spectre
If you are trying to help, I apologize.

If you are just trashing the people trying to find these Islamakazis, grow up! While you were trashing, people dug into the story and found a lot of data and posted it for the rest of us.

This past year, Freepers via Free Republic have ferreted out and helped to catch a cop murderer, closed down an al Fuqra training camp and other good actions by people working together and getting the info out. We can be of help here to if we have the data, the pictures and help to get the word out.
153 posted on 12/29/2002 3:20:18 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: ewing
"IMO, Looks like Al Qaeda is picking ghouls that could pass for Hispanic and giving them fake names."

Makes perfect sense.

The Germans, British, Americans, etc., all did it during WWII.

Are we at war here?

Am I driving this car??

154 posted on 12/29/2002 3:21:26 PM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: mewzilla
Khalid Ibn Muhammad al-Juhani and Abd al-Rahim

Five men shown on videotapes found in the house of an al-Qaeda leader in Afghanistan were preparing to carry out terrorist acts, US officials say.
US Attorney General John Ashcroft said the videos showed "young men delivering what appear to be martyrdom messages from suicide terrorists."

Excerpts from the tapes show three of the men separately, two of them apparently making statements and one holding an automatic rifle.

Mr Ashcroft said little was know about the five suspects except for Ramzi Binalshibh, from Yemen.

The US authorities allege that he was a close associate of Mohammed Atta, the man believed to have been the ring-leader of the 19 hijackers who carried out the suicide attacks on 11 September.

FBI Director Robert Mueller said the tapes came from a "trove of valuable information" discovered in Afghanistan.

He said they were still being analysed to determine when they were made, adding that there was no evidence any of the suspects had entered the United States, although at least one had tried.




http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:3MXwhMkQiWYC:news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/americas/1767050.stm+Khalid+Ibn+Muhammad+Al-Juhani&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
155 posted on 12/29/2002 3:21:26 PM PST by kcvl
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To: mewzilla
Owasi is a Sunni name. Maybe Sadaam is involved.
156 posted on 12/29/2002 3:21:36 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Grampa Dave
Calm, please. Read my post #152 and look for this information. Thanks!
157 posted on 12/29/2002 3:22:51 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: ChicagoRepublican
I don't get this. If the way they entered cause suspicion, WHY WEREN'T THEY STOPPED!

Excellent Question. Seems that the old policy of letting anyone into this country and asking questions later is still in effect. Doesn't inspire much confidence in the integrity of our border checkpoints does it? Makes one wonder how many more nefarious types are finding easy passage into the U.S. everyday despite the horrors of 9/11.

158 posted on 12/29/2002 3:23:33 PM PST by WRhine
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To: AF68
They've probably already obtained their Mexican matricula card from the nearest Mexican embassey.
159 posted on 12/29/2002 3:24:02 PM PST by FITZ
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To: concerned about politics
Is this a joke?
160 posted on 12/29/2002 3:24:25 PM PST by Friend of thunder
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To: Miss Marple
The ABC, NBC and CBS take on this coming up in minutes on their 'nightly'...
161 posted on 12/29/2002 3:24:38 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
I was working out at my club and stuck watching CNN while this was breaking, and I groaned out loud when the CNN newsbabe expressed concern that citizens might make a "rush to judgment" looking for these guys. (That sound you heard was me pounding my head on the control panel of an elliptical trainer.)

Have I mentioned that CNN sucks?
162 posted on 12/29/2002 3:24:42 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Dec31,1999
How can you have a Bill of Right's and not have a right to life in the first place?

That an a policy of sevenfold retribution.
Take out of a building, we take one out in the 7 most populated Muslim nations.
Take out a city, lose seven.

We can see who runs out of weapons first.

163 posted on 12/29/2002 3:24:49 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: Miss Marple
Herding cats Miss M....:-)
164 posted on 12/29/2002 3:24:56 PM PST by Dog
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To: Grampa Dave
Asking logical questions pertaining to the timing of the release of this information isn't trashing people and I am sorry if you misunderstood.

The majority of people don't watch FOX, CNN or read FR. They will no doubt, see these pictures in tomorrows paper.

Carry on, I'm off this thread...sw

165 posted on 12/29/2002 3:26:01 PM PST by spectre
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To: RCW2001
My link in Post #6 are the wrong guys. Sorry.
166 posted on 12/29/2002 3:27:00 PM PST by chnsmok
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To: Dog
No kidding!

I am going to check some web sites and see if there is additional information. I will bring back anything I find out.

167 posted on 12/29/2002 3:27:27 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
We also need to know what kind of passport they have. If it was a Pakistani passport, they would have had to have a visa to enter the U.S. as well as been fingerprinted when they entered.
168 posted on 12/29/2002 3:27:49 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: FITZ
01/18/2002 - Updated 06:47 AM ET

Men on tapes seem ready to die for al-Qaeda

By Kevin Johnson and Toni Locy, USA TODAY


Death wish: A man identified as Khalid Ibn Muhammad Al-Juhani holds a rifle in what U.S. officials describe as one of five "martyrdom messages."

WASHINGTON — Nervous federal law enforcement officials released the videotaped excerpts of five suspected al-Qaeda operatives on Thursday in part to revive a campaign of national preparedness. Government analysis of five videotapes, all recovered recently from the bombed-out Afghanistan home of al-Qaeda military chief Mohammed Atef, indicate that the men "may be trained and prepared to commit future suicide acts," Attorney General John Ashcroft said.

169 posted on 12/29/2002 3:27:51 PM PST by kcvl
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Have I mentioned that CNN sucks?

No, but it's worth repeating...

170 posted on 12/29/2002 3:28:26 PM PST by null and void
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To: kcvl
Wrong guys...
171 posted on 12/29/2002 3:28:49 PM PST by Dog
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To: jimbo123
Bumping.
172 posted on 12/29/2002 3:29:08 PM PST by aculeus
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To: RCW2001
The information that the first names seem Pakistani is borne out by a google search on all five of the first names. Most of the hits are web sites connected with Pakistanis.
173 posted on 12/29/2002 3:29:40 PM PST by syriacus
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To: Friend of thunder
Is this a joke?

It's DU, serious to them, a joke to the rest of the world...

174 posted on 12/29/2002 3:30:12 PM PST by null and void
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To: chnsmok
Darn! I just saw those ones over at the 7-11. Are you sure no one is looking for them?
175 posted on 12/29/2002 3:30:13 PM PST by Palladin
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To: Dog
Google search on Adil Pervez shows nothing on that name per se, but plent of hits for either Adil or Pervez. All were to Pakistani stories. Therefore, Adil Pervez is Pakistani, I conclude.
176 posted on 12/29/2002 3:30:44 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: spectre
The only problem with most Sunday Papers is you can buy them on Saturday Morning at your local grocery store or news counter.

Out here, they don't change the pictures and the front page very much. News cut off if you can call it news is about midnight Friday night.
178 posted on 12/29/2002 3:31:41 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Miss Marple
2. Where did they cross? Border checkpont, or unmonitored area? If a border checkpoiint, why weren't they stopped?

I got here late, but it seems to me that at least two of them were Canadian citizens. We don't "racially profile". Canadian citizens are allowed to cross the border freely.
And American citizens can go there, too.

179 posted on 12/29/2002 3:31:48 PM PST by speekinout
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To: The Citizen Soldier
California ...I think the word you're looking for is "undocumented voter.

"Yep"! Thanks for the input! :)

180 posted on 12/29/2002 3:32:22 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: spectre; Gore_ War_ Vet
IF they slipped thru in unmonitored locations, then why are they reporting the men were acting suspiciously? (Unless the fact they slipped over illegal was suspicious in itself), which leads me to the next question. How did they know they crossed the border if no one saw them?

I don't know nuthin' about these terrorists; but boy am I feeling safe and secure knowing that the alphabet agencies will have all their hundreds (or more?) of cameras trained on the pro-life citizens attending the March For Life in a few weeks here in DC.

181 posted on 12/29/2002 3:34:53 PM PST by tgslTakoma
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To: RCW2001
Why is the FBI looking for them? They are just Muslims, following the religion of peace, right? (/sarcasm off)
182 posted on 12/29/2002 3:34:58 PM PST by nwrep
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To: null and void
Okay, Democratic Underground, now I understand. Missed the abbreviation. Thanks.
183 posted on 12/29/2002 3:35:30 PM PST by Friend of thunder
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To: kcvl
You mean that's not Cat Stevens with a guitar?
184 posted on 12/29/2002 3:35:34 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: Miss Marple
Pervez is also a fairly common Iranian name.

The FBI report says that these names may be false names.

From our end, it is about impossible to identify and keep track of these names.

NSA uses advanced computers and some special software from the West Coast just to keep track of the legitimate names these guys can have.
185 posted on 12/29/2002 3:35:38 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: nwrep
Drudge is still stuck on the clone clowns.
186 posted on 12/29/2002 3:35:55 PM PST by nwrep
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To: syriacus
"The information that the first names seem Pakistani..."

CTV news just said the names and dates of birth may be false. First report I've seen of a Canadian channel.

187 posted on 12/29/2002 3:36:54 PM PST by badfreeper
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To: badfreeper
...on a Canadian channel...
188 posted on 12/29/2002 3:37:34 PM PST by badfreeper
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To: jimbo123
"They're probably making their final preparations in an Al-Qaida safe house in Chappaqua, New York right now."

THAT is really funny. I hope everybody gets it.

189 posted on 12/29/2002 3:39:05 PM PST by NetValue
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To: Dec31,1999
LOL Very good.
190 posted on 12/29/2002 3:39:20 PM PST by Friend of thunder
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To: badfreeper
Are they traveling on Canadian passports? Or Pakistani passports?
191 posted on 12/29/2002 3:39:32 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Palladin
Oh, just go get them. The FBI probably wants them too.
192 posted on 12/29/2002 3:39:47 PM PST by chnsmok
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To: Dog
Al Qaeda operative talking
Al-Nashiri's help has already led to warnings
Saturday, November 23, 2002 Posted: 10:08 AM EST (1508 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Al Qaeda operative Abd Al-Rahim al-Nashiri, captured last month, is talking, sources say.

His interrogation has already led the FBI to warn about possible attacks on U.S. warships, ports, naval bases and cruise ship docks. Now the question is: How much does he have to offer?

Eric Margolis, author of "War at the Top of the World," says quite a bit.

"He, at a higher echelon, would know many of the subordinate cell members throughout the Mideast and southwest Asia," Margolis said.



http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:uyu2kq4V830J:www.cnn.com/2002/US/11/23/alqaeda.capture/+Abd+Al-Rahim&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
193 posted on 12/29/2002 3:39:48 PM PST by kcvl
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To: speekinout
"Canadian citizens are allowed to cross the border freely."

Based on my own experiences, the customs inspection is more rigorous at the border (airport anyway) than before. But then, I'm a white guy.

194 posted on 12/29/2002 3:40:32 PM PST by badfreeper
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To: DAnconia55
The juxtaposiion of the quote and your comment is not clear. Perhaps you could hit me over the head with a sledge hammer? ;)
195 posted on 12/29/2002 3:41:06 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: speekinout
"We don't "racially profile"."


Maybe you should.

"Canadian citizens are allowed to cross the border freely."

And maybe we shouldn't. Canadians are VERY ethnically diverse. If it was found that 5 middle-eastern guys crossed your border - duh - I am 44 and fair and white and the American border guys had no Problem stopping me. Speaking from experience.



196 posted on 12/29/2002 3:41:47 PM PST by blastbaby
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To: jimbo123
Don't know, just caught the tail end of the report. CTV Newsnet goes over the top stories every quarter hour so it will be up again soon.
197 posted on 12/29/2002 3:43:22 PM PST by badfreeper
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To: spectre; All
Spec, any of ya...Has anyone ever figured out if these are the same guys they caught at the seattle washington border on a previous new years eve?
198 posted on 12/29/2002 3:45:04 PM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: badfreeper
Well - if we let them in we should be hit with a hammer but if they let them in - it's our fault right? I got everything but a full body cavity search - white, female, 40'ish with nothing but a load of dirty laundry.

Just had a bunch of guys return from US who are ethnically diverse (look hispanic, middle-eastern). No problems getting into the States on their way to same location that I went to. And they went together - 5 on the same plane. Gotta laugh if it wasn't so terrifying.
199 posted on 12/29/2002 3:47:44 PM PST by blastbaby
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To: Dec31,1999
juxtaposition, I mean.
200 posted on 12/29/2002 3:48:10 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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