Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Gun owners invite arrest Protesters tote firearms openly in defiance of new gun registry (Canadian)
The Edmonton Journal ^ | Thursday, January 02, 2003 | Allan Chambers

Posted on 01/02/2003 1:39:28 PM PST by FreeSpeechZone

Gun owners invite arrest Protesters tote firearms openly in defiance of new gun registry

CP / Jim Turnbull of Jarvie is arrested during an anti-gun registry protest on Parliament Hill on Wednesday.

Greg Southam, The Journal / Oscar Lacombe, former Alberta Legislature sergeant-at-arms, carries his unregistered rifle in protest on Wednesday.

From Parliament Hill to the Alberta legislature, gun-toting protesters taunted police to arrest them in defiance of the new federal gun registry.

"Here I am, Ottawa," said Oscar Lacombe, the Alberta legislature's former sergeant-at-arms, holding his plastic-wrapped, unloaded .22 rifle at a one-man protest in Edmonton.

"I'm the criminal you spent billions of dollars to catch. So if you believe in your law, come and arrest me, please."

Under the act, all Canadians were required to register or declare their intent to register their guns by midnight Tuesday.

Police didn't take any action against Lacombe, 74, during his protest, but later they stopped his car and seized a weapon.

On Parliament Hill, two protesters got their wish -- sort of. Police laid charges, but not for having an unregistered gun.

To chants of "shame, shame" officers ushered Jim Turnbull, a 70-year-old retired auctioneer and farmer from Jarvie, Alta., into a cruiser. The arrest was the culmination of a protest in front of the eternal flame, where a handful of the 150 demonstrators flouted the law by setting ablaze their gun registration forms, gun licences and Bill C-68 -- the contentious piece of legislation requiring owners to register all rifles and shotguns by Wednesday.

"I would never register," vowed Turnbull, head of the Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners Association who says he owns 35 firearms. "I believe that's my personal property. Next thing they'll want me to register my refrigerator and my dishwasher."

The boisterous gun enthusiast was later charged with carrying a weapon to a public meeting, a Criminal Code offence punishable by up to six months imprisonment and a $2,000 fine.

Gun-control opponent Ed Hudson, of Saskatoon, was charged with the same offence after turning himself in at the police station. Turnbull and Hudson were later released.

Edmonton police who seized Lacombe's gun said charges would be considered under the Criminal Code, not the Firearms Act. Lacombe had no possession permit for it and his firearm acquisition certificate had expired.

Richard Fritze, Lacombe's lawyer, is awaiting the decision on charges. At that point, he may recommend a constitutional challenge, depending on the nature of charges laid.

During his protest, Lacombe -- resplendent in a fringed, mooseskin jacket adorned with rows of military medals -- stood on the terrace overlooking the Legislature building and declared he would not submit to "this unjust and dangerous law."

His protest drew a group of about 25 supporters.

The registry was created by Ottawa in response to the 1989 massacre of female engineering students at a Montreal school by a lone gunman.

Gun lobby groups contend, however, that it punishes legitimate gun owners while failing to stop criminals.

Two members of the Aboriginal Veterans Society of Alberta, who served overseas with Lacombe, showed up in military dress to support him.

"I'm backing him," said Herbert Bell, 70, sergeant-at-arms of the society. Lacombe, who referred proudly to his Metis heritage several times in his speech, is a member of the society.

Bell added in an interview that he has registered his own guns because "I'm not a law-breaker."

Several gun law opponents from Calgary came to the protest. They included University of Calgary academic Ted Morton, who was elected an Alberta "senator in waiting" in the province's Senate election a few years ago.

Morton said Lacombe represents thousands of Canadians "who have been turned into criminals today" by the gun law. "What is happening to this country?" Morton asked.

Newly elected Conservative MLA Doug Griffiths of Wainwright, who has also said he won't register his weapons, was at Lacombe's protest but kept a low profile.

Griffiths didn't speak but said in an interview later he has heard nothing from police or members of the Conservative caucus since making his statement that he wouldn't register his guns.

Griffiths said he doesn't want to make his point with rallies or loud protests. But he said he wants to follow Gandhi's road of peaceful disobedience and be "just not in compliance" with the gun law.

"It's a bad law," and Canada should follow the example of New Zealand, which decided to drop a similar law after concluding it was unenforceable, Griffiths said.

Lacombe, in his speech, cited his own Alberta heritage dating back to early pioneers Father Lacombe and Laurent Garneau, and his honours won in military service in Korea, Europe and elsewhere.

"I have devoted my whole life to protecting law and order and defending freedom. But today a new law takes effect which I cannot support in conscience ... In fact I have come here to defy it openly and in public."

Lacombe said he has used a gun since childhood and shot his first deer at age nine for food for his family. Even though he still only owns what he called a rabbit gun, "effective today, I am a criminal under Section 92 of the Criminal Code."

But he said he wouldn't submit, even if the price of rebellion is jail.

"Now the time has come to fight for freedom in our country," he said. "I won't register this gun and I won't hide.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; registry

1 posted on 01/02/2003 1:39:29 PM PST by FreeSpeechZone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: FreeSpeechZone
"Now the time has come to fight for freedom in our country," he said.

Better late than never, I suppose. But, WHY did you wait SO LONG?

2 posted on 01/02/2003 1:42:17 PM PST by Puppage
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FreeSpeechZone
....to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. - George Washington, January, 1790.
3 posted on 01/02/2003 1:47:33 PM PST by expatpat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FreeSpeechZone
Canada 2003:

We've got terrorists running around the country, Jamaican criminals turning Toronto's streets into a bloodbath, and an East Indian gang war in Vancouver that's claimed 50 people in 5 years - and they crack down on a peaceful 74-year-old retired Korean vet.

This country is an embarrassment to all.
4 posted on 01/02/2003 1:52:24 PM PST by canuck_conservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FreeSpeechZone
It's a shame that the pansies in Quebec are destroying such a beautiful country!!!!!!!!
5 posted on 01/02/2003 2:02:02 PM PST by Highest Authority
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: canuck_conservative
It's not going to change until enough protestors bring loaded guns to the protests and show a willingness to use them....
6 posted on 01/02/2003 2:13:48 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Puppage
Dont be too harsh with them..but not for the grace of God there we all would go...
It will be our turn soon enough into the breech...
We will all see soon enough who on this side of the border... is made of what....
7 posted on 01/02/2003 2:15:52 PM PST by joesnuffy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: canuck_conservative
It's pretty sad alright. Anybody who thinks that it's okay to take away a citizen's right to defend himself while letting the crazy criminals run hog wild has a serious problem. The myth that we'll all be safer if we're helpless continues...
8 posted on 01/02/2003 2:16:05 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: FreeSpeechZone
I'm beginning to like Canadians again.
9 posted on 01/02/2003 2:16:43 PM PST by PoorMuttly
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: chookter
I think it would change if there is civil disobedience in resistance to gun registration; loaded guns will only make things worse,IMHO. If 90% of the gun-owning population refuses to participate in the registration, what can they do?

Make an example of some small number of folks, probably, but if everyone holds their ground, the bureaucrats are screwed.
10 posted on 01/02/2003 2:21:02 PM PST by expatpat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

Comment #11 Removed by Moderator

To: FreeSpeechZone
SOME GUTS IN KANADA!
12 posted on 01/02/2003 2:43:54 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: *bang_list
Bang
13 posted on 01/02/2003 2:46:26 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: *bang_list
Bang!
14 posted on 01/02/2003 2:47:57 PM PST by Travis McGee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: expatpat
I think it would change if there is civil disobedience in resistance to gun registration;

But civil disobedience means having your guns confiscated by force by the civil authorities. Hence, losing your guns is a fait-accompli and they win.

loaded guns will only make things worse,IMHO.

It will be the only way to prevent the authorities you are appealing to from confiscating your guns at their gunpoint.

Notice that the authorities carrying loaded guns doesn't make things worse for them.

Civil disobedience only works when the Government you are appealing to is unwilling or unable to kill enough of the civilians being disobedient. How can an armed citizenry defending its rights make things 'worse'?

If 90% of the gun-owning population refuses to participate in the registration, what can they do?

Go house to house like they did in the UK.

Make an example of some small number of folks, probably, but if everyone holds their ground, the bureaucrats are screwed.

Never happen--because, by your own attitude, people are sheep and will stampede to gun-registered-safety after the wolves get a couple of sheep who strayed.

Of course, if you are civilly disobedient and refuse to give up your guns as well, the end game will play out, but on the tyranny's terms, not the freedom-minded.

"When they kick in yer front door, 'ow ya gonna go?
Wif yer 'ands on yer 'ead or the trigger of a gun?
They can bash us! they can bruise us! Totally abuse us!
But, ooooooohhhhhhhh oohhh--the guns of Brixton"

The Clash--Guns of Brixton, RIP Joe Strummer....

15 posted on 01/02/2003 2:54:23 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: FreeSpeechZone
More info & opinions here:

http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=45

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/

http://www.lufa.ca/

http://www.thehighroad.org/
16 posted on 01/02/2003 3:15:06 PM PST by backhoe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: canuck_conservative
Is there any chance that the Alberta provincial government will secede from Canada? If not, it would appear that the only alternative is to start organizing an armed militia, hopefully including members of what's left of the Canadian military, with the ultimate goal to win freedom from the illegitimate regime in Ottawa without resorting to major bloodshed. I doubt that a stupid, clueless, leftist party hack like Chretien would have the guts to face down a rebellion of significant size and force.

Another effective form of civil disobedience would be to evade taxes on a massive scale. A large enough percentage of the population refusing to pay any taxes to the Ottawa regime could likewise help bring about its downfall. I hope freedom-loving Canadians like yourself are able to get your country back. I wonder how sandbox totalitarians like Chretien got into control. If they are not removed, things will only continue to get worse - much worse.
17 posted on 01/02/2003 3:26:21 PM PST by Bogolyubski
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: expatpat
Why are the police willing to take freedom from others?
Its not the good old, protect and serve. Its the mercenary police state protecting itself.
18 posted on 01/02/2003 3:58:54 PM PST by earplug
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Highest Authority
It's not the people of Quebec.
It's the watermelons of Ontario that can't get their noses out of the public trough, and keep voting in LIBERALS (read DEMOCRATS)that are the real villians of this country.
19 posted on 01/02/2003 5:57:39 PM PST by Alberta Pride
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: canuck_conservative
All of us North Americans must fight the good fight for our God given right to self defense.

Good luck, neighbor.

20 posted on 01/02/2003 5:59:57 PM PST by cfrels
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: FreeSpeechZone; Puppage
Agreed. Hope we don't let ours get taken away. It's easier to fight to keep them now than fight to get them back later.
21 posted on 01/02/2003 7:19:43 PM PST by Libertina
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: chookter
"It's not going to change until enough protestors bring loaded guns to the protests and show a willingness to use them...."

worth repeating
22 posted on 01/02/2003 7:40:07 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: FreeSpeechZone
A fine example of principled civil disobedience. It's would be hard not to admire them. I hope some of the younger Canadians find the nerve to stand with them.
23 posted on 01/02/2003 7:55:33 PM PST by George W. Bush
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FreeSpeechZone
Looks like Canada is competing with Mexico for the title of "Most Backward Nation in North America".

Of course, if California were an independent nation, it would win hands down.

Still, Canada is making quite a showing these days.

24 posted on 01/02/2003 8:19:12 PM PST by Imal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: canuck_conservative
Hmmm. A Canadian conservative. I guess you must feel a lot like the Jews did in Germany during the 1930's. If you don't feel that way, you should, considering the way your country is melting down.

For my part, I hope you and others like you might somehow stop the insanity. Canada is better than this, and the U.S. has better things to do than spend troops sealing the border between our nations.

Good luck, and God bless you.

25 posted on 01/02/2003 8:24:42 PM PST by Imal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Bogolyubski
Thanks to all for the kind sentiments.

Re: Alberta separation - the poll numbers are still low (<10%), but that could change in the next few years. If the federal government continues to treat Western Canada as a milch cow, and the recently-rammed-through Kyoto accord negatively impacts oil-producing Alberta (highly possible!), the change could happen very quickly. Personally, I'd also like BC to separate, forming an independent country WITH Alberta.

BTW, a few years back, the CIA did a study of which provinces could successfully survive on their own - and concluded only BC and Alberta had the resources to do it.
26 posted on 01/02/2003 8:49:27 PM PST by canuck_conservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: canuck_conservative
I'd like a link to this study if you have it. I find it tough to believe Ontario could not survive independently.
27 posted on 01/02/2003 9:49:53 PM PST by Norwell
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: canuck_conservative
Were & when was that incident with one of the Indian tribes 15-20 years ago I forget what it was. Something about the Government wanting to take there land for a golf course. Or something like that. They block a bridge and had a small gun battle. Maybe you can team up with them ?
28 posted on 01/02/2003 11:22:01 PM PST by quietolong
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: expatpat
"I think it would change if there is civil disobedience in resistance to gun registration; loaded guns will only make things worse,IMHO."

Sorry to disagree. You have a Second Amendment just so you can keep and bear a loaded gun to protect you from this kind of overbearing government action. It is an individual right guaranteed. Many have died for these rights....

29 posted on 01/03/2003 2:09:40 AM PST by NetValue
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: George W. Bush
A fine example of principled civil disobedience.

Except that the time for civil disobedience is over. That ended as soon as the cops confiscated the first gun. It's Lexington and Concord time... It's "From my cold dead hands time"...

Why this sudden love for 'civil disobedience'? You cannot use the tools of the left to defeat the left--you're playing on their terms. It is not time for good men to stand around being a nuisance. It's time for good men to fight.

30 posted on 01/03/2003 6:36:27 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: NetValue
It's your right to disagree.

However, civil disobedience will allow resisters to organize without being blown away by the authorities. The latter will get the subtle message of the large number of potential loaded/locked guns, without having a good excuse to start blowing people away. As the old saying goes: If you're going to attack the king (govt.), you'd better kill him. If you don't have yourselves fully organized, shooting off loaded guns will just give them a good excuse to pick you off before you can.

31 posted on 01/03/2003 7:06:16 AM PST by expatpat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: chookter
Except that the time for civil disobedience is over. That ended as soon as the cops confiscated the first gun. It's Lexington and Concord time... It's "From my cold dead hands time"...

Violence and armed rebellion are a last resort in the American tradition. Canadians will have to come to their own conclusions on their situation with regard to their laws and national tradition.

These elderly vets are providing the right example. And if enough others join them, they can still defeat the gungrabbers without violence.

Armed insurrection is a last resort among civilized peoples.
32 posted on 01/03/2003 7:21:13 AM PST by George W. Bush
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Alberta Pride
You know why Ontario votes Liberal? It's all the bloody immigrants who vote Liberal because they are let into the country easily, and are propped up on welfare along with their 14 children. That's how the bloody Liberal stays in power. If Alberta were full of these piece sh*t immigrants, your province would vote them in as well. Ontarians who are true Canadians won't be voting Liberal next time round. Steve Harper for Prime Minister!!!
33 posted on 01/03/2003 8:00:48 AM PST by IvanT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: quietolong
That armed encounter with the natives was in a place called Oka, in Quebec. Quite rightfully, the aboriginals did not want their sacred land turned into a golf course. It was a pretty nasty armed conflict as I recall. An example of the government pitting the military against it's people, only it ended as a standoff because the people were armed. If the government thinks they can get the native population to hand over their guns, they've got another thing coming. Stever Harper for Prime Minister!! Down with Chretien and his Mafia thugs!!!
34 posted on 01/03/2003 8:06:00 AM PST by IvanT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: George W. Bush
Violence and armed rebellion are a last resort in the American tradition. Canadians will have to come to their own conclusions on their situation with regard to their laws and national tradition.

Yes, that's a good point.

These elderly vets are providing the right example. And if enough others join them, they can still defeat the gungrabbers without violence.

I'm not sure that is possible at this point. The gov is already seizing their weapons.

Armed insurrection is a last resort among civilized peoples.

True, but explain to me: how does one surrender their weapons? I don't understand how an individual just turns over their own weapons to the government....

I think civil disobedience is fine up to the point that they come to take your gun. Then all civil discourse is over, it is now a battlefield, and it is up to you to gain the tactical advantage.

Never, ever, ever, ever allow the government to take your guns. Never.

35 posted on 01/03/2003 10:14:15 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: FreeSpeechZone
I'll bet the cops doing the arresting are the same ones who earlier had said "Hey, we believe in the right to own firearms, too!"
And then "We're just following orders..."

As will happen in the US when it comes to that.
36 posted on 01/03/2003 11:10:35 AM PST by Redbob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: IvanT
The QPP tried to play soldier with assault rifles and got their butts kicked. Then they called in the real military to bail them out. Life suddenly changes when the natives your shooting at decide to shoot back, lol.

In the end, the Mohawks won and stood up to the tyrants who run the People's Republic of China Canada.

37 posted on 01/03/2003 5:29:44 PM PST by Aura Of The Blade
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: IvanT
If Alberta were full of these piece sh*t immigrants, your province would vote them in as well. Ontarians who are true Canadians won't be voting Liberal next time round. Steve Harper for Prime Minister!!!

Calgary, Alberta is chockfull of immigrants who vote but they vote Canadian Alliance, no thanks to racist tripe you're posting. The result? Every MP from Calgary is an Alliance MP including Deepak Obrhai.

38 posted on 01/03/2003 8:53:25 PM PST by Ipberg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Ipberg
Come on Ipberg. Tell us about Edmonton.....and the Liberals
39 posted on 01/03/2003 9:00:39 PM PST by Snowyman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: FreeSpeechZone
Reply to post #1: The U.S. government has to take a long hard look at canada and decide if we can afford to have a marxist country on our northern border. Members of their parliment have been standing up and making speeches in support of letting hamas set up bases in canada.
40 posted on 01/03/2003 9:52:21 PM PST by A6M3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Imal
Maybe we could convince CA to secede, then we could conquer it! Let me get moved out 1st.
41 posted on 01/03/2003 10:38:14 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: A6M3
. Members of their parliment have been standing up and making speeches in support of letting hamas set up bases in canada.

Do you have a legitimate reference for this? Or are you just making it up as you go along?

42 posted on 01/04/2003 6:06:32 AM PST by Snowyman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Snowyman
A Fox News report given by a canadian on 12-31-02 at approximately 6:20am west coast time.
43 posted on 01/04/2003 8:01:28 AM PST by A6M3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: A6M3
Well given that Hamas was banned in Canada on Nov 27th and that Parliament has been on Christmas break since Dec.13 and won't sit again until Jan 27th , and this was reported on Dec 31st. Perhaps someone should check with Fox News and see if they know what year it is.
44 posted on 01/05/2003 6:07:07 AM PST by Snowyman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Snowyman
Reply to post #44: The issue isn't what day the story was reported, the isuue is, the fact that canadian MPs stood up and lobbied for hamas. The story wasn't touted as a news flash or breaking news. It was an analysis of canadian arabs and their influence on the canadian government.
45 posted on 01/05/2003 6:32:10 PM PST by A6M3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: A6M3
canadian MPs stood up and lobbied for hamas

Well our system doesn't quite work that way. No MP lobbies in parliament for anything. They may speak on any topic, they may ask questions during question period, but not without prior discussion within their party caucus and no party would lobby parliament on behalf of Hamas, especially for Hamas to establish a camp. Parliament does not deal with such things. Parliament follows very structured and time honoured rules and protocol. They debate bills, laws and budgets . Now if there was a debate over Hamas being banned and a MP got up and said he thought they were sweet as sugar, that would be his own opinion. Stupid but still his own opinion. And he'd be accountable to his party and his public afterwards.

As for Hamas .Why would they ? They could just go and do it the same as the Boy Scouts, the Baptist Church or anyone else who wanted to establish a camp. Now that Hamas is banned they would ,out of necessity , have to conceal their intentions

But any gathering of strange people, even in the farthest reaches of the north, as if some arab would want to go there , would be noticed and reported.

I'd look in Hansard but without the exact date , forget it.

46 posted on 01/05/2003 7:54:43 PM PST by Snowyman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Snowyman
Reply to post #46: Thanks for the info on how your parliment operates. The word lobby was mine not the commentators. An MP standing up and saying hamas was as sweet as sugar would be more accurate because the theme of the commentary was the influence that the arab population is having on Canadian politics and how even MPs were speaking for hamas.
47 posted on 01/05/2003 9:10:59 PM PST by A6M3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson