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Prosecutors' Morbid Neckties Add to Criticism
The New York Times ^ | 01-05-03 | JEFFREY GETTLEMAN

Posted on 01/05/2003 8:59:07 AM PST by Pharmboy

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To: pgkdan
I'll bet you're a conservative - it is truly refreshing and admirable to see one admitting they made a mistake. It's mostly liberals that refuse to back down and try to defend the indefensible.
51 posted on 01/05/2003 6:22:27 PM PST by M. Peach
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To: Devil_Anse
Your point is well taken, however I was just reminded of this case and saw a comparison which you so eloquently pointed out the differences. I just thought post # 12 was an interesting dillemma for a jury to decide.

Would you agree with the jury in that case - deciding to let them both go? I think marajade spun out of answering my question directly, but you as a juror (or possibly a defendant) - what would you decide?
52 posted on 01/05/2003 6:30:17 PM PST by M. Peach
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To: proxy_user
Yep...part of me definitely agrees with your sentiments. They SHOULD be more professional and dispassionate. Then there's the emotional side of me which says "Yeah...rub theie faces in it...the !#$!% murderers!"
53 posted on 01/05/2003 6:43:28 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: dennisw
Interesting are likely correct.
54 posted on 01/05/2003 6:46:28 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: M. Peach
Well-said, M. I am now on your side and the other clear heads on this thread. Also agree: that's what makes FR the best site on the web.
55 posted on 01/05/2003 6:50:50 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: TheGrimReaper
56 posted on 01/05/2003 6:54:53 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: M. Peach
If there wasn't the evidence to tie either one of them to the killing, yes, they should be found not guilty.

I wouldn't think they'd be tried together, though.

I appreciate the courteous manner of your reply.
57 posted on 01/05/2003 8:19:06 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: Tacis
"...Jefferson Parish, which actually has a low murder rate..."

You beat me to it. That stuck out like a sore thumb.

58 posted on 01/05/2003 8:21:20 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Pharmboy
"I mean, these guys with their ties act like death is a joke," he said. "And that's what's crazy. They're the ones calling me a cold-blooded killer."


59 posted on 01/05/2003 8:38:57 PM PST by snowstorm12
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To: eno_
You know what bothers me, though? It is the way this out-of-town newspaper extrapolates--from a tasteless necktie, mind you--that there is a "culture" or something of "not caring," or "bloodthirstiness," or whatever, in that whole office.

If the ties clearly show a hangman's noose, that's not appropriate courtroom wear, even for a slam-dunk case. OTOH, if the tie is one of the defendant's main issues, sounds like his appeal is in trouble. I think his attorneys SHOULD try to make an issue of it, just to do their job.

But back to the other thing. It's like the liberal establishment, the ones typified by Amnesty Int'l., are targetting this place, this D.A.'s office. That ticks me off. LET THEM GO LIVE THERE SO AT LEAST THEY'LL KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR THE VICTIMS.

After Ted Bundy's execution, a bunch of police officers where I live had a Bundy Barbecue, to celebrate. We're nowhere near where his crimes were, or where he was executed. They just wanted to celebrate something they saw as an improvement to the world--that man's exit from it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. They should be given extra consideration, because THEY are the ones who have to go get people like Bundy, and keep such a person away from US.

I've seen prosecutors who had a little electric chair in their office. Isn't that their own business? They really ARE asking juries to give the death penalty to people sometimes. So why SHOULDN'T they believe in the death penalty? Why are they not allowed to have opinions?

I also knew of a prosecutor who used to present a defendant in a serious felony case with a tube of K-Y, if there was a conviction. That's unprofessional, too. (Of course it wasn't done in front of a jury.) But if you could read the reports such a prosecutor reads on a daily basis-- unbelievable atrocities!

I've read a few New Orleans police reports in the past. Mother's boyfriend kicks 5-yr-old "Scooter" in the stomach, while wearing sharp-toed cowboy boots. Scooter slowly bleeds to death (internally) that night. "He seemed especially tired, so I put him to bed."

The DeBouie brothers, two black males, are angry at a woman one of them had dated. They wait till she's out, then they break into her project apartment and slit the throat of her 9-yr-old son, after trapping him in the bathroom. The 5-yr-old girl is found face-down on the bed, hand reaching towards the phone. She has been killed also. Only ONE of them got the death penalty!! Would it have shocked anyone's conscience if that prosecutor had gone up to one of those brothers, and handed him a tube of K-Y (long after the jury was gone) as he was carted off to prison?

I mean, for those who really have to study the gruesome details, how can they NOT want the guy to get the death penalty? And what the defendant "suffers" in such a case is NOTHING to what some victim suffered.

It's legitimate for a defendant to complain of biased behavior like the tie, on the part of the prosecutor, while they were in court. But out of court, I think it's a free speech issue. Last time I checked, prosecutors and police were allowed to have freedom of speech, like the rest of us. But who knows, maybe Amnesty International will get that changed.

60 posted on 01/05/2003 8:39:10 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: M. Peach
Thanks for the post! It's always very encouraging to hear that the words you typed were actually helpful to someone.
61 posted on 01/05/2003 9:10:45 PM PST by agrandis
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To: pgkdan
I've posted some stupid things over the years here on FR, to be sure. You're doing better than average when you can admit it when it happens.
62 posted on 01/05/2003 9:29:03 PM PST by agrandis
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To: Devil_Anse
Or to sum it up, who has more of an agenda? The prosecutor, who is supposed to be adversarial, or the reporter, who is supposed to report without bias?
63 posted on 01/05/2003 9:51:40 PM PST by eno_
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Grim Reaper Ties
64 posted on 01/05/2003 10:09:37 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: eno_
Well, you know no one could be more agenda-driven than the staff of the New York Times!! I see your point--well taken.

And I just glanced back at the article again. I noticed how it made a big point of talking about OOOOH! Look how many death penalties have come out of this ONE parish!! And that made me want to scream something from the rooftops--will you excuse me while I scream this out to everyone on this thread?


Funny how they leave that out, isn't it? I could literally almost count on one hand, the number of times the death penalty has been given in Orleans parish, and I'm talking about 20 years of my noticing the general trends of Orleans parish criminal proceedings. AND COMPARED TO ORLEANS PARISH, FOR VIOLENT CRIME, JEFFERSON PARISH PRACTICALLY LOOKS LIKE THE GARDEN OF EDEN!!

65 posted on 01/06/2003 3:28:27 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
Get a brown bag, lie down, breath into bag, inhale, breath in to bag again, inhale, .... keep repeating 20 times! Do you feel any better?
66 posted on 01/06/2003 3:54:10 PM PST by klamath
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To: klamath
What are YOU? An airline steward?
67 posted on 01/06/2003 9:26:13 PM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
Not quite! But it did help, didn't it? By the way, I saw your picture the other day and you sure are.....well uh...I better not say!
68 posted on 01/07/2003 7:58:27 AM PST by klamath
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To: klamath
Yeah, it helped. I passed out.

What ABOUT my picture? Are you saying you have a problem with my necktie?

69 posted on 01/07/2003 8:21:18 AM PST by Devil_Anse
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To: Happygal
Yeah...a murderer has the audacity to be affronted by a neck tie.

Now, now, now. Let's be fair. alleged murderer.
Let's give him a fair trial and then hang him.

70 posted on 01/07/2003 8:29:07 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Devil_Anse
THAT was the least of your worries!!!
71 posted on 01/07/2003 8:51:53 AM PST by klamath
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To: klamath
Okay, hey, look, that T-shirt is a cherished keepsake.

Is it my fault if it says "ABORT MUMIA"?
72 posted on 01/07/2003 8:57:14 AM PST by Devil_Anse
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