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Precious young life taken by gunshot
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Posted on 01/06/2003 9:07:13 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:12:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Damon Quarker Jr. was curious about the world around him. The toddler liked talking to strangers, learning new words and exploring nooks in his eastside Detroit home.

Store guns in a gun safe, lock box or a locked cabinet or drawer.

Store the gun unloaded, with ammunition locked separately.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunsafety
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1 posted on 01/06/2003 9:07:13 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I grew up with guns-lots of guns. They did not have to be locked up. My father told me if I handled them they would kill me, and if they didn't, he would kill me for touching them. I respected my Dad, and most of all, I had a great respect for guns and what they would do.
2 posted on 01/06/2003 9:09:39 AM PST by Sangria
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Sad. Curious kids (i.e., all of them) and loaded guns don't mix, and should never be kept in the same house.
3 posted on 01/06/2003 9:10:36 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Sangria
The news just reported that this gun was in a laundry basket that the child tipped over.
4 posted on 01/06/2003 9:11:12 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Sangria
Yes, but you were old enough for basic reasoning. Putting a weapon within the reach of an 18 month old baby is absolutely irresponsible.
5 posted on 01/06/2003 9:11:58 AM PST by hunter112
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To: Sangria
Did you understand that when you were 1 1/2 years old? The fact is that if you have a gun and children, you have a responsibility. This Father was neglect and paid the ultimate price.
6 posted on 01/06/2003 9:12:00 AM PST by Hildy
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I have a friend who grew up in Detroit that saw this kind of stuff happen every four or five months. It's amazing that it's still happening even 15 years later.

Didn't they pass a law that made the parently legally responsible for negligent homicide if the gun was left out for their infant to play with.

I remember him saying that most of these deaths were due to careless, negligent, and ignorant parents. These are easily preventable, but when you have crack heads having babies... what do you expect.
7 posted on 01/06/2003 9:13:35 AM PST by SteveSenti
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To: *bang_list
bang
8 posted on 01/06/2003 9:13:52 AM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Call the mayor, call the President, contact the United Nations. Lets demand we all get in line and turn in any firearms we may have. (Sarcasm)...

They have a toddler wandering around the bedrooms by itself, playing with loaded guns that are left out? Where TF are the parents? The grand parents? Who are these idiots? Why is the mayor of a major city involved? Jesh!

9 posted on 01/06/2003 9:17:25 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: r9etb
First off, a 1 1/2 yr child should never, ever be able to come across a loaded handgun. Second, 'curious' children that are old enough to expect obedience from need to be trained. Do we move the busy roadway from in front of the house or teach children to stay out of it? You err on the part of lazy parenting with your statement. And, again, a 1 1/2 yr child should NEVER be allowed to come across a loaded gun. Loaded guns in the homes of responsible people have saved many, many innocent people from evil intruders. When your the window break or the door is kicked in, loading is the last thing you want to deal with.
10 posted on 01/06/2003 9:18:12 AM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: ApesForEvolution
When your=when you hear (somehow)
11 posted on 01/06/2003 9:19:36 AM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: r9etb
Curious kids (i.e., all of them) and loaded guns don't mix, and should never be kept in the same house.

Huh? What about sharp knives, ladders, extension cords, razor blades, swimming pools?

12 posted on 01/06/2003 9:20:21 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: r9etb
Huh? What about sharp knives, ladders, extension cords, razor blades, swimming pools?

And drugs, medications, cigarette lighters, gasoline, the neighbors dog.......

13 posted on 01/06/2003 9:22:51 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Notice how the story implies, but doesn't say since it probably wouldn't be true, that most of the 26 16 year old and unders with gunshot wounds in Detroit were similar to this case, that is "accidents" due to negligence. I'll wager that the majority of them were deliberate acts, and that most of the dead and injured were closer to 16 than to 2. Mostly gang bangers, or victims of gang bangers doing a "drive by". The latter category probably accounts for most of the younger victims as well. This kind of stupidity, that is leaving a loaded , and probably cocked, gun where a toddler can get it, is known to be extremely rare, even in a hotbed of stupidity like Detroit. (Little kids are unlikely to be able to manage a double action trigger pull, or be able to rack the slide on a semi-auto, so keeping a handgun with an empty chamber, the one under the hammer in the case of a revolver, is the best approach if there are little ones about, and not a bad idea even if there are not, since the gun is about as dangerous as a lump of steel in that condition, yet can be readed very quickly for action by an adult.)
14 posted on 01/06/2003 9:25:58 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Joe Hadenuf
It's amazing, isn't it?
15 posted on 01/06/2003 9:26:06 AM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: Sangria
How weird is it that the mayor would go visit the family who is too stupid to not put a loaded gun in a laundry basket.

Do they keep a bevy of rattlesnakes in the bathtub as well?
17 posted on 01/06/2003 9:28:58 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: El Gato
I like the "Gun Safety at Home" tips to the right of the text: Don't let children play with realistic toy guns.

Good bleeping grief...
18 posted on 01/06/2003 9:29:44 AM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: r9etb
Incorrect. Loaded guns belong in EVERY house for the protection of those within. They should be secured from little fingers, though. As soon as they are old enough, they should be taught to respect guns and the destructive force in them.
19 posted on 01/06/2003 9:30:12 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: rabidone
"All are dangerous but only handguns are specifically designed to kill human beings (no other purpose)"

And turtles, coyotes, etc.
20 posted on 01/06/2003 9:31:10 AM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: Sangria
I grew up with guns-lots of guns. They did not have to be locked up. My father told me if I handled them they would kill me, and if they didn't, he would kill me for touching them.

Some parents are afraid to be that brutally honest with their kids. Another problem is parents being so afraid/guilty about gun-ownership, that they do not even TELL the kids a weapon is hidden in the house, and fail to teach them the safety basics. Then the kid(s) stumble upon this curious looking "toy". Best to TEACH the kids....most responsible firearm owner/parents spend time with their families on the range and these are the kids that have the advantage of better safety training and the first-hand/eye witness TRUTH that "this is NOT A TOY". My kids, my nieces and nephews all grew up around firearms owned by responsible parents and did not have that dangerous "curiosity", because they were TAUGHT. The weapons were not accessable or LEFT LOADED in the dern house. Sad story, but the truth is: irresponsible parent(s) at fault in this case. God's Mercy on this family.

21 posted on 01/06/2003 9:31:33 AM PST by aeronca
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To: El Gato
I meant to add that most of the "Lock Up Your Safety" rules in the sidebar are not appropriate for a gun intended to defend your family and home. But then that is the point of the gun grabbers. The say guns are only to be used for recreational purposes... for now..until that fails to stop "gun violence" then the sporting purposes too will be sacrificed "for the children".

22 posted on 01/06/2003 9:32:03 AM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato
I noticed that immediately. The implication is that accidential deaths by gunshots are quite common when the truth is that typically less than 150 childern a YEAR are killed by accidentally inflicted gunshot wound. Mop buckets account for more accidental deaths than guns among children less than 2.

By far, mommie's "boyfriend" is MUCH more dangerous to the life of a small child than a gun.
23 posted on 01/06/2003 9:35:16 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: rabidone
All are dangerous but only handguns are specifically designed to kill human beings (no other purpose)-

Handguns are designed to expell a projectile towards an intended target, just like all firearms. The "purpose" of doing so is a function of the operator. It may be to punch holes in paper or tin cans, the only thing mine have ever been used for, or to stop an assailant from harming or killing someone in my family, or, in Texas at least, from committing "Theft during the nighttime".

24 posted on 01/06/2003 9:35:22 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
A 1-1/2 year old toddler who liked talking with strangers?

The gun dropped out of a "box" or a "laundry basket" hit the floor and discharged?

25 posted on 01/06/2003 9:37:29 AM PST by N. Theknow
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To: N. Theknow
And this toddler was doing this all by himself at 10:30 at night?
26 posted on 01/06/2003 9:40:59 AM PST by N. Theknow
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To: N. Theknow
And this toddler was doing this all by himself at 10:30 at night?
27 posted on 01/06/2003 9:41:04 AM PST by N. Theknow
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To: El Gato
Handguns are designed to expell a projectile towards an intended target, just like all firearms.

Oh, come on. Let's not sugarcoat this. Handguns are made for killing people, first and foremost. All other purposes are secondary.

If they were not so-intended, there would be no reason for folks to be scolding about how necessary it is to keep them loaded in the house.

Just to be clear: I'm all for RKBA. But I'm not going to pretend it's about something other than maintaining the capability to kill somebody.

28 posted on 01/06/2003 9:42:15 AM PST by r9etb
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To: El Gato
"even in a hotbed of stupidity like Detroit."

I've heard Detroit called a lot of things...but your description hits the nail on the head. Mayor Kwame thinks he can make a difference in Detroit; I don't think I'll see it in my lifetime.

29 posted on 01/06/2003 9:46:40 AM PST by OldBlondBabe
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To: rabidone
Best read my 13 and 14 again.

More kids die in swimming pools every year. Should swimming pools not be allowed on the same property where kids live????

Do you now get my point?

30 posted on 01/06/2003 9:48:31 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: rabidone
the parents should be strung up for not having this weapon secured.

What do you propose as a punishment that is worse than the one they have meted out to themselves? I'd say the punishment is already in place.

31 posted on 01/06/2003 9:50:23 AM PST by Ramius
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To: rabidone
Make that #12 and 13
32 posted on 01/06/2003 9:50:55 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: r9etb
Curious kids (i.e., all of them) and loaded guns don't mix, and should never be kept in the same house.

More kids are killed in swimming pools every year. Should swimming pools not be allowed where children live?

33 posted on 01/06/2003 9:53:40 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: ApesForEvolution
Not really. Sometimes I feel surrounded by dummys....
34 posted on 01/06/2003 9:56:34 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I know what you mean. Dummies and ignoramuses...because we're so smart and enlightened donchaknow! LOL!
35 posted on 01/06/2003 9:59:35 AM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: ApesForEvolution
After watching those in DC and the news media, sometimes I feel like an absolute genius, in a world gone mad. LOL..
36 posted on 01/06/2003 10:07:02 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: N. Theknow
"The gun dropped out of a "box" or a "laundry basket" hit the floor and discharged?"

Good question. I find the more credible story that someone (maybe fooling around) pointed the gun at the baby and pulled the trigger. Was the shot center-of-mass?

I'd like to see some evidence to establish which is the more likely scenario.
37 posted on 01/06/2003 10:12:50 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: rabidone
All are dangerous but only handguns are specifically designed to kill human beings (no other purpose)

BS. I have handguns ranging from .22 cal to .45-70. The .22 cal is for target competition at the range. It is Ok for snakes when loaded with birdshot. It is not very useful for self defense against humans. The 45-70 and .454 Casull are for knocking down bears, elk and deer. They are far too big for self defense against humans. The 9mm, .357 Mag, .38SPL, .45ACP, .40S&W are the preferred defensive rounds against humans. That's why law enforcement uses them. The .25ACP, .32 and .380 auto calibers are a bit small for self defense, and generally inadequate for bullseye target matches due to short sight radius. They do a fine job of convincing a store clerk to part with the contents of the cash register.

38 posted on 01/06/2003 10:41:21 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
"Precious young life taken by gunshot"

What about the lives of young children that are taken by abortions? Are those young lives any less "precious?"

39 posted on 01/06/2003 10:47:37 AM PST by Destructor
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"Mop buckets account for more accidental deaths than guns among children less than 2."

Doctors kill far more children (due to negligence) a year than do guns and that is even if you do NOT include abortions in the equation!

40 posted on 01/06/2003 10:48:59 AM PST by Mad Dawgg
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To: r9etb
That's silly. Leaving a one and a half year old to roam a home unattended, puling things out of closets and off shelves is a recipe for disaster with or without guns in the house. THREE adults in the home at the time, and none could be bothered to keep an eye on this kid! At least two were reportedly engrossed in the TV. Children of stupid/irresponsible people are disproportionately prone to death from all sorts of causes. That's no reason to assert that all homes with children should leave themselves unprepared for self defense in an emergency.

Minor safety precautions -- e.g. no bullet in the chamber, and out of reach of toddlers -- allow the gun to be kept ready for self defense use, but inoperable to a tiny tot whose adult supervisors turn their backs for just a minute. I don't even have any children in my home, but I STILL keep my bedside revolver with an empty chamber on first.


41 posted on 01/06/2003 10:52:30 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Something tells me there is more to this story told by parents to cops to attorneys to the mayor and to the media out of the mouth of an antigunner....

I have a feeling someone wanted that kid dead. Could it be all of the above?
42 posted on 01/06/2003 10:57:25 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
Given the lack of attentiveness on the part of the THREE adults in the home, it's plenty clear than none of them particularly wanted him alive. Whether they managed to shift their thoughts away from their TV show (and drugs? alcohol? $ex?) long enough to formulate any thoughts about wanting him dead, is less clear.
43 posted on 01/06/2003 11:02:33 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: rabidone
All guns are designed to launch projectiles. They are not designed to kill someone or something.

The INTENT is the perogative of the gunman.

AND... most modern firearms will not fire unless the trigger is fully depressed. It is ALMOST impossible for a dropped firearm to discharge. (not condoning ignoring safe storage rules)
44 posted on 01/06/2003 11:11:17 AM PST by T Wayne
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To: r9etb
" the capability to kill somebody."

There is a big difference between

"all handguns are made for the sole purpose of killing people"

and

All firearms are capable of killing people.
45 posted on 01/06/2003 11:18:13 AM PST by T Wayne
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To: r9etb
"Sad. Curious kids (i.e., all of them) and loaded guns don't mix, and should never be kept in the same house. "

All children are curious, it is the responsibilty of parents to teach their children.

The best way to handle curiousity is to address it at an age appropiate level while at the same time keeping things like handguns in a secure place until such a time that the child is old enough and mature enough to use such items appropiately.
The idea that you can child proof the world, only serves to bring about more situations like this one.
46 posted on 01/06/2003 11:33:57 AM PST by Pintobean
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To: Pintobean
The best way to handle curiousity is to address it at an age appropiate level while at the same time keeping things like handguns in a secure place until such a time that the child is old enough and mature enough to use such items appropiately.

At 18 months, this child was not old enough.

47 posted on 01/06/2003 11:40:39 AM PST by r9etb
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To: SteveSenti
I have a friend who grew up in Detroit that saw this kind of stuff happen every four or five months. It's amazing that it's still happening even 15 years later

Even more amazing is that it nearly always seems to happen in Detroit (the number of infants that die this way each year is in the single digits).
48 posted on 01/06/2003 11:41:36 AM PST by Technogeeb
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To: N. Theknow
The gun dropped out of a "box" or a "laundry basket" hit the floor and discharged?

I suppose it could have been a very old handgun. Although it is true that no modern handgun will do this, the lockwork on many very old guns aren't quite as safe. It still seems rather suspicious, though.
49 posted on 01/06/2003 11:45:06 AM PST by Technogeeb
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To: T Wayne
There is a big difference between "all handguns are made for the sole purpose of killing people" and All firearms are capable of killing people.

We can agree that one has the right to keep handguns for self-defense. But let us also be honest in what handguns are for.

Handguns exist, by and large, for the purpose of killing people at close range. This is a simple fact -- why else would one keep a loaded handgun in the home?

50 posted on 01/06/2003 11:47:00 AM PST by r9etb
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