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Apple Introduces New Products
Apple ^ | 01/07/03

Posted on 01/07/2003 1:41:33 PM PST by Djarum

Software

Safari A free web browser for OS X
Keynote Presentation software offering rich graphics capabilities - $99
iLife iTunes 3, iPhoto 2, iMovie 3, iDVD 3, all bundled for $49 or (with the exception of iDVD) available separately for free
Final Cut Express A lite version of FC Pro - $299

Hardware

PowerBook G4 12" Apple's most compact notebook, starting at $1799
PowerBook G4 17" The largest screen in the portable market, starting at $3299




Apple.com


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: apple; mac; macuserlist
Check the links for much more info.
1 posted on 01/07/2003 1:41:33 PM PST by Djarum
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To: *Macuser_list
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2 posted on 01/07/2003 1:42:00 PM PST by Djarum
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To: Djarum
Posting this reply from the Safari browser. It's very fast, and from what I've seen so far it works pretty well. Not bad for a beta release. Not bad at all!
3 posted on 01/07/2003 1:47:18 PM PST by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Actually it IS fast. ALas how do I import bookmarks from Omniweb? _ I suppose one at a time. Sigh!!!
4 posted on 01/07/2003 1:58:16 PM PST by drjoe
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To: drjoe
Strangest thing just happened. I quit the Safari browser, then went to re-start it, and it won't come up! I've re-installed but still the same problem. Of course, this is BETA software, so perfection isn't expected. But it's no fun to see how great it is and then watch it fold up and quit working at all! I imagine a patch will be coming out very soon, my guess is within the next week or so.
5 posted on 01/07/2003 2:15:12 PM PST by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Djarum
Safari is a port of Konqueror from the LINUX side of the world. I'm pretty impressed with the speed and rendering though. Ah, well. Time to go home and back to the WinTel side of the world...[sigh]
6 posted on 01/07/2003 2:18:21 PM PST by mhking
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I played with Safari today. Very Quick, I like it!
7 posted on 01/07/2003 2:20:06 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: drjoe
Don't know about Omniweb, but it automatically found all my IE5.2 bookmarks without me doing anything.

I click on the open book icon just below the Back button, and near the bottom of the folder list in the lefthand column is "Imported IE Favorites." Cool.

8 posted on 01/07/2003 2:23:51 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Maybe your install got hosed. I'm not having that problem (MDD G4 1GHzDP, 1.75GB DDR RAM.)
9 posted on 01/07/2003 2:24:41 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: All
More specifics on this thread:

Macworld Expo keynote coverage recap
10 posted on 01/07/2003 2:33:00 PM PST by Djarum
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Strangest thing just happened. I quit the Safari browser, then went to re-start it, and it won't come up!

Perhaps your Prefs file is messed up.

Try deleting this file and see if it helps -

{HOME}/Library/Preferences/com.apple.Safari.plist

11 posted on 01/07/2003 4:15:03 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Strangest thing just happened. I quit the Safari browser, then went to re-start it, and it won't come up! I've re-installed but still the same problem. Of course, this is BETA software, so perfection isn't expected. But it's no fun to see how great it is and then watch it fold up and quit working at all! I imagine a patch will be coming out very soon, my guess is within the next week or so.

So much for the much-vaunted Mac "quality"...
12 posted on 01/07/2003 4:15:56 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
So much for the much-vaunted Mac "quality"...

C'mon - it's Microsoft's fault. ;-)

13 posted on 01/07/2003 4:27:00 PM PST by TomServo
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To: Bush2000
So much for the much-vaunted Mac "quality"...

With this logic, it's easy to see why you're a Windoze dude, B2K. For you, "quality" = perfection. Sheesh.

In my office here, I've got a WinXP Pro box (P4 2.4GHz [533FSB] on an Asus P4S533 mobo with 1GB PC2700 DDR SDRAM) in front of me and a G4 (mirror door G4 1GHzDP with 1.75GB PC2700 DDR SDRAM) sitting a few feet to my right.

The Mac has never given me a hint of a problem. The PC I built myself, and today is the first time it's been right since I put it together on Thanksgiving Day. Yesterday I replaced the motherboard, which was the cause of all the problems. Other than that, WinXP on this box and WinXP on my previous box are nearly as stable as Mac OS X v10.2.2.

I say nearly, but all things considered, I'd say the WinXP box is 5 to 10 percent less stable overall.

That's coming from someone who regularly uses both platforms.

14 posted on 01/07/2003 4:36:55 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: HAL9000
Sure enough, that worked! Thanks! I'll keep that Prefs file thingy in mind for future reference. Thanks again!
15 posted on 01/07/2003 5:34:23 PM PST by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Djarum
I'm such a computer geek - I must have one of the 17in Powerbooks.

Regards, Ivan

16 posted on 01/07/2003 5:35:39 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Bush2000
Just FYI, I got the browser working again. Seems to be working fine now. Also, this is beta software, so it is really rather impressive that it works as well as it does. Some companies release software that hardly works at all and call it a finished product. Apple releases software that is %90 complete and calls it a beta version, to be followed by a full release. I like the Apple way better.
17 posted on 01/07/2003 5:40:12 PM PST by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Bush2000
So much for the much-vaunted Mac "quality"...

It is clearly labeled as a beta version. The preference file problem should be fixed in the final release.

18 posted on 01/07/2003 5:55:51 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: savedbygrace
The Mac has never given me a hint of a problem. The PC I built myself, and today is the first time it's been right since I put it together on Thanksgiving Day.

Did you build the Mac yourself? Maybe it is not the processor or the operating system that was the problem. When you can build your own Mac, get back to us.

19 posted on 01/07/2003 6:01:56 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: All
For all you Naysayers..........
http://www.apple.com/hardware/video/powerbookg4_012003.html
20 posted on 01/07/2003 6:59:15 PM PST by cmsgop ("Hey Ladies, Want to see my Big Trak ?)
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To: Last Visible Dog
I've taken them apart and put them back together again, so you could say I've built Macs.

I can see, though, that you cleverly missed the point of my post. Even though the mobo in this box was defective, I still reported that the Windows box is nearly as stable as Mac OS X v10.2.2.

Any computer part be be defective. That was what happened to me in this case. But in spite of that, I still fairly reported the truth: that WinXP is almost as stable as Jaguar.

Windows fanatics would never give an inch on this issue, never admitting that a Mac is any good whatsoever. You'll flail around trying to diss Macs and Mac owners as if it were your religion or something.

IOW, Windoze fanatics argue a lot like liberals.

21 posted on 01/07/2003 9:19:00 PM PST by savedbygrace (Jesus is Lord)
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To: savedbygrace
Windows fanatics would never give an inch on this issue, never admitting that a Mac is any good whatsoever. You'll flail around trying to diss Macs and Mac owners as if it were your religion or something.

Look up from your script. I am not the fanatic – I use what works and what people pay me to use. I have not dissed the Mac – I have only pointed out the nonsense in Mac-head’s statements. You have got a really bad case of projection – it is Mac-heads that are flailing about desperately trying to claim metaphysical superiority of their overpriced computer/fashions statements.

You guys need to “THINK FOR YOURSELF” and not just repeat the Apple slogans.

IOW, Windoze fanatics argue a lot like liberals.

Yeah right. Mac-heads play fast and loose with the truth just like liberals

22 posted on 01/07/2003 9:56:23 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Djarum
And all the new products were approved by this chick.


23 posted on 01/07/2003 10:07:35 PM PST by Xenalyte
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To: Last Visible Dog
Sure. Whatever.
24 posted on 01/08/2003 6:36:10 AM PST by savedbygrace (Jesus is Lord)
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I don't understand why it isn't compatable with OS X 10.1.5, though. After all, it's a 2001 release. This kinda makes me mad, I want to try it out.
25 posted on 01/08/2003 6:42:50 AM PST by Nexus
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Does Safari really require OS X 10.2? I still have 10.1, was wondering if it would still work.
26 posted on 01/08/2003 6:45:31 AM PST by avg_freeper
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To: Djarum
One of the biggest pieces of news that I've heard is that Apple has just released their own fully "aquified" version of X11. (at Beta currently)

This should speed along 'NIX application porting quite a bit.

27 posted on 01/08/2003 6:52:19 AM PST by avg_freeper
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To: Nexus; avg_freeper
Best to bite the bullet and get Jaguar. There were a lot of upgrades in 10.2, and it's definitely worth it. I came over to Mac from Windows, and OSX was one of the reasons, but I was surprised at how much difference Jaguar made. Printer drivers, font kerning, and just a zillion little improvements were made. The difference between IE and Safari, even with Safari in beta is quite amazing, and has me very excited about the future with the Macs.

The difference in performance between it and IE, Netscape, Mozilla, etc. is stunning, and I think gives us a very good idea of where OSX will go when native applications are written for it as opposed to being ported from 9.

Now, if I could just afford one of the new 12" Powerbooks! However, Safari fit right into my budget.

28 posted on 01/08/2003 7:09:52 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball
My problem with upgrading now is that I've heard that the new Quartz Extreme (why does everything have to be extreme now?) does not accelerate graphics very much with my G4's old 128 Rage Pro.

I plan on getting a Radeon 9K later this year and then upgrading.

Do you think the other improvements (other than Quartz Extreme) are worth the upgrade? If so I might upgrade anyway.

29 posted on 01/08/2003 7:25:54 AM PST by avg_freeper
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To: avg_freeper
For me it would have been, just for the printer drivers. I use an Epson 1280, and the printer driver in OSX 1.5 wasn't very good. This upgrade was significant. Since about 85% of my computer work at home is digital photography, this was a far bigger deal to me than to many others. Also, there was some information on OSX 1.5 that mentioned it was much slower surfing the web. I'm not sure of the underlying technical reasons, but I noticed Jaguar was faster (I still have to use dial up at home). Safari is probably twice as fast as IE, though, and I suspect it's because IE hasn't been upgraded to use the underlying code modifications in Jaguar.

One thing which happened that disappointed me at first was that my system started doing a complete lockup about twice a day after I first installed Jag. Mouse pointer still moved, but rest of screen was locked. I had to do total power down to get back in. Apparently, and I'm just guessing here, though, it wasn't a lockup, but the system was doing a self repair of some sort. After one of the "lockups", I had something else to do, and left the system alone for about 10 min. When I came back, it was working, and the system didn't lock up again for about three days. After that, when the "lock up" would occur, I would just do something else until it came back, and after about a week it quit doing it. Worried me a little at first, but it seems to have fixed itself very effectively.

There are other upgrades with Jaguar, but as to whether or not it would be a benefit for your specific system, I couldn't say. I get an educational discount, so it was $79 for me, and well worth it.

Oh, one final point. If you use OfficeX, download and install the service pack update as soon as you install Jaguar. Word crashes after the install if you don't. After the Service pack update, though, it works perfectly.

30 posted on 01/08/2003 8:04:24 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: HAL9000

31 posted on 01/08/2003 3:02:46 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
Thanks for the laugh. I love it. I'll add it to my collection. I'll put it right next to this:


32 posted on 01/08/2003 3:11:44 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ((I don't hate Apple. I just can't afford 'em))
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
How about ...


33 posted on 01/08/2003 6:33:19 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Or ...


34 posted on 01/08/2003 6:34:44 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Djarum
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35 posted on 01/08/2003 6:36:13 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Or ...


36 posted on 01/08/2003 6:39:33 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
Alright, stop...yer killin' me. I'll have to make a new sub-directory on the server for these.
Lucky for my keyboard that I clicked on the replies before I took a swig of my vodka and tonic.


37 posted on 01/08/2003 6:51:05 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Bush2000
Wow, I can finally replace that Newton I had wedged under my door.
38 posted on 01/08/2003 6:57:34 PM PST by TC Rider
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
There's tons more at Fark: http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=397057
39 posted on 01/08/2003 7:50:46 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: TC Rider
;-p
40 posted on 01/09/2003 8:47:23 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: ThinkDifferent
This is a good one:


41 posted on 01/09/2003 9:42:26 AM PST by Last Visible Dog
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