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U.S. Is Allowed to Hold Citizen as Combatant
New York Times ^ | 1/08/03 | NEIL A. LEWIS

Posted on 01/08/2003 8:31:11 PM PST by kattracks


WASHINGTON, Jan. 8 — A federal appeals court handed the Bush administration a major legal victory today in ruling that a wartime president can indefinitely detain a United States citizen captured as an enemy combatant on the battlefield and deny that person access to a lawyer.

The case, which set up a stark clash between the nation's security interests and its citizens' civil liberties, may have expanded the power of the presidency as the three-judge panel ruled unanimously that President Bush was due great deference in conducting the war against terrorism.

The judges of the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, in Richmond, Va., said it was improper for the federal courts to probe too deeply into the detention of Yasser Esam Hamdi, a 22-year-old American-born Saudi who was captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan and is now imprisoned in a military brig in Norfolk, Va.

Lawyers for Mr. Hamdi challenged his detention, asserting that because he is a citizen he has the same constitutional rights as citizens in criminal cases, including the right to consult a lawyer and to question the reasons for his confinement.

The appeals panel said that to deprive any citizen of his constitutional protections "is not a step that any court would casually take."

Even so, in the opinion written by the circuit's chief judge, J. Harvie Wilkinson III, the panel said, "The safeguards that all Americans have come to expect in criminal prosecutions do not translate neatly to the arena of armed conflict. In fact if deference is not exercised with respect to military judgments in the field, it is difficult to see where deference would ever obtain."

Attorney General John Ashcroft called the decision "an important victory for the president's ability to protect the American people in times of war."

But Elisa Massimino, a director of the Lawyers Committee for Human Rights, said: "The court seems to be saying that it has no role whatsoever in overseeing the administration's conduct of the war on terrorism. That is particularly disturbing in the context of a potentially open-ended, as-yet-undeclared war, the beginning and end of which is left solely to the president's discretion."

The lawyers authorized by Mr. Hamdi's father to argue the case on his son's behalf are certain to seek a review from the Supreme Court, but there is no guarantee that the justices will take up the case.

The only other American citizen known to be held without charges is Jose Padilla, the so-called dirty-bomb suspect. Unlike Hamdi, who was captured on a battlefield in Afghanistan, Mr. Padilla was arrested at O'Hare International Airport in Chicago on suspicion of being involved in a terrorist plot to detonate a radioactive device. He is being held in a military brig in South Carolina.

Today's ruling may be the most far-reaching yet in a host of court cases brought on by the administration's efforts in the war against terrorism.

In one case, a federal district judge has upheld the administration's decision to hold about 600 prisoners at the Guantánamo naval base in Cuba, ruling that the laws of the United States do not apply there.

Other federal judges have ruled that the Bush administration could not hold hearings on immigration violations in secret and could not withhold the names of those arrested on such charges from the public. Those cases are making their way through the appellate courts.

The Hamdi case began with the narrow issue of whether the courts should be satisfied with a Defense Department official's two-page, nine-paragraph statement that offered a spare accounting of facts to justify the government charge that Mr. Hamdi has been properly labeled an enemy combatant.

Judge Robert G. Doumar of Federal District Court in Norfolk ruled in August that the declaration — made by Michael Mobbs, a special adviser to the under secretary of defense for policy — was not enough.

The appeals court reversed that finding today and went much further in defining the authority of the executive branch in wartime.

"The constitutional allocation of war powers affords the president extraordinarily broad authority as commander in chief and compels courts to assume a deferential posture in reviewing exercises of this authority," the panel found.

While courts are entitled to review detentions when asked, the panel ruled that, "courts are ill-positioned to police the military's distinction between those in the arena of combat who should be detained and those who should not."

The panel said it would be improper for the judicial branch to launch an exhaustive inquiry into the conditions of Mr. Hamdi's capture, as his lawyers had requested. To do so, the judges said, would require officers to travel back to the United States from across the globe. They said the conduct of the war should not be determined by litigation.

The appeals court did not go so far as to deny Mr. Hamdi the use of the writ of habeas corpus, a legal mechanism allowing people to challenge their detention, a position that might attract a Supreme Court review. Instead, the judges said the judicial inquiry had to be extremely limited.

Frank W. Dunham Jr., a federal public defender in Virginia who argued the case for Mr. Hamdi, had asserted that the defendant was entitled to challenge the accusations that he was an enemy soldier.

But the court said that since it was "undisputed" that Mr. Hamdi "was present in a zone of active combat operations, we are satisfied that the Constitution does not entitle him to a searching review of the factual determinations underlying his seizure there."

In addition, the judges rejected appeals by Mr. Hamdi's lawyers that they should consider whether the war was at an end. Such questions, the court said, were solely the province of the president and his military advisers.

The judges also rejected Mr. Hamdi's assertion that the Geneva Convention required the government to convene a tribunal to determine if he was a lawful or unlawful combatant. The panel said that only governments and diplomats could invoke the Convention, not individuals.

Judge Wilkinson ended the opinion with a reference to the casualties of the Sept. 11 attacks.

"It is not wrong even in the dry annals of judicial opinion to mourn those who lost their lives that terrible day," he wrote. "Yet we speak in the end not from sorrow or anger, but from the conviction that separation of powers takes on special significance when the nation itself comes under attack."

Judge Wilkinson was joined on the panel by Judge William W. Wilkins and Judge William B. Traxler. Judge Wilkinson and Wilkins were appointed by President Ronald Reagan. Judge Traxler was first named to the bench by the first President Bush and elevated to the appeals court by President Bill Clinton.



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1 posted on 01/08/2003 8:31:12 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Great! Can we FINALLY go after these verminous lawyers at the ACLU?
2 posted on 01/08/2003 8:35:50 PM PST by RandallFlagg (drooling....)
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To: kattracks
The case, which set up a stark clash between the nation's security interests and its citizens' civil liberties,

You mean if I join a foreign army, fight against the U.S.,and get captured, then I can't get out on bail??? What's this country coming to?

3 posted on 01/08/2003 8:35:56 PM PST by San Jacinto
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To: San Jacinto
Its a contradiction to lose your citizenship by taking up arms with the enemy, but retaining your rights.
I applaud this decision!
4 posted on 01/08/2003 8:38:29 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: kattracks
Even more outrageous is the fact that we hand out US citizenship to any child born in the US to parents who are only temporarily in this country. I think that children born to non-citizens who are not in this country on immigration visas should be considered as citizens of the parents' country, not the US.
5 posted on 01/08/2003 8:47:23 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: kattracks
The New York Times gets its panties in a wad over this decision, but nowhere mentioned the Quiren case from World War II.

That case concerned eight Germans who got into the United States from submarines in two groups of four. They had money, weapons, and plans to bomb various American facilities. All were captured and tried before a military tribunal. All objected to that trial. One, named Bruno Haupt, objected that he could not be tried that way, because he was an American citizen, born in Chicago.

The Court rejected all the arguments including Haupt (and one other who claimed but did not establish that he was also an American citizen). The reporters and editors at the Times cannot be so ignorant as to not know about the Quiren decision. Heck, I wrote that case up in a UPI article published almost a year ago, on 28 January, 2002, concerning the Gitmo prisoners (who are also referenced in this article).

The Times cannot plead mere ignorance. This has to be deliberate lying by not mentioning a critical case from 59 years ago, that leads to the same conclusion that this Court of Appeals decision. Just one more example of bias against President Bush by the Times.

The title of my article was "Analysis: The truth on 'Gitmo' prisoners," if anyone cares to look it up.

Congressman Billybob

Click for latest column on UPI, "Three Anti-Endorsements" (Not yet on UPI wire, or FR.)

As the politician formerly known as Al Gore has said, Buy my book, "to Restore Trust in America"

6 posted on 01/08/2003 8:48:17 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: kattracks
if deference is not exercised with respect to military judgments in the field, it is difficult to see where deference would ever obtain."

Indeed. Wage acts of war and reap the fruits of war!

But Elisa Massimino, a director of the Lawyers Committee for Human Rights, said: "The court seems to be saying that it has no role whatsoever in overseeing the administration's conduct of the war on terrorism.

Too bad, Elisa. You just lost-out on some really big paychecks. And no. You can't play with the big boys.

7 posted on 01/08/2003 8:55:37 PM PST by GVnana
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To: Paleo Conservative
Believe me, when I was overseas, everyone in Asia (and I imagine other areas as well) knew that you only had to "drop one baby" in the US and then bring the family on over at your leisure - because you now had an AMERICAN "citizen" child. It made me very angry. But of course, if we are chumps we can't blame the rest of the world for "playing."
8 posted on 01/08/2003 8:56:33 PM PST by Libertina
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To: kattracks
Hamdi's lawyers and the entire ACLU belong in the brig for the duration--of their lives.
9 posted on 01/08/2003 9:01:09 PM PST by PoisedWoman (Fed up with the liberal media)
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To: kattracks
Good. These lousy frickin' traitors deserve no mercy when they side with the enemy. The ACLU cries about how these vermin are treated. We should treat these traitors just like they were treated during the Revolutionary War. The ACLU would be screaming like hogs being butchered.
10 posted on 01/08/2003 9:23:35 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (The enemy deserves no mercy.)
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To: kattracks
First off, If you take up arms against your country, It's TREASON A crime punishable by death. These former citizens should thank their lucky stars I'm not the one who decides their fate. "Old Sparky" would be the only justice they would see
11 posted on 01/08/2003 9:37:13 PM PST by MJY1288 (A Commander-in-Chief to respect)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Even more outrageous is the fact that we hand out US citizenship...

It may seem outrageous in some cases, but you'll have to amend the constitution to change it. That loophole resides there. Granting the difficulty of amendments those desiring to change the status quo need to focus their efforts on keeping such potential citizens out of the US while in utero.

12 posted on 01/08/2003 10:10:40 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: JohnBovenmyer
It may seem outrageous in some cases, but you'll have to amend the constitution to change it.

No, it is the misreading of the 14th amendment that has caused this problem.

13 posted on 01/08/2003 10:13:39 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: JohnBovenmyer
>It may seem outrageous in some cases, but you'll have to amend the constitution to change it. That loophole resides there.

At that time, being born here probably meant you were going to stay for a while. Today it means you got on a plane. I read that Koreans organize special trips to the US so that women can have their babies here.

14 posted on 01/08/2003 11:04:40 PM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: Paleo Conservative
No, it is the misreading of the 14th amendment that has caused this problem.

That is why the 14th has been labeled the Judicial sandbox. It can't be "mis-read" except when the issue involves a conservative issue. The 14th amendment is the single largest contributor to the big Federal government we have today. The 16th amendment pales in comparison.

15 posted on 01/08/2003 11:12:27 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: kattracks
Gold digging trial lawyers have bee handed another green weeny to eat. Ya just gotta love that.
16 posted on 01/09/2003 12:15:51 AM PST by fella
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To: kattracks
There are a couple of things that make me feel a bit queasy about this decision.

First, when do we know this war is over and it's time to revoke the extraordinary powers given to the Executive branch?

And second, I don't want to see these powers in the hands of a President Hillary! Clinton or anyone who thinks and acts as she does.
17 posted on 01/09/2003 4:11:25 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: dd5339
ping!
18 posted on 01/09/2003 7:59:25 AM PST by Vic3O3
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To: Right_in_Virginia
And second, I don't want to see these powers in the hands of a President Hillary! Clinton or anyone who thinks and acts as she does.

I have brought this point up more times than I can count. The Bush-bots always ignore it. Perhaps they don't want to think about the future. Perhaps they harbor a secret hope (as some Clintonistas did) that the Constitutional term limits can somehow be circumvented or eliminated and their man can be El Presidente for Life.

19 posted on 01/09/2003 9:51:43 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: alpowolf
Methinks our best hope is for Bush to declare this war is won before he leaves office on January 20, 2009 ~ and these extraordinary war powers come to an end.

I'm queasy enough with this blanket power in the hands of the current administration~~ (which I trust)...

But my heart, mind and soul really can't handle the thought of these powers in some other president's hands....ESPECIALLY a Clinton or a socialist-leaning democrat.
20 posted on 01/09/2003 5:37:18 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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