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The Hirsute Mammal of North America?
Denver Post ^ | 1/5/03 | Theo Stein

Posted on 01/10/2003 12:01:14 PM PST by scouse

Denver Post

Camper says she was 12 feet from curious giant

By Theo Stein

Denver Post Environment Writer

Sunday, January 05, 2003 - When Julie Davis burst from her tent in a remote part of the San Juan National Forest late on the afternoon of Aug. 5, 2000, the 54-year-old musician expected a confrontation with a hungry bear.

What she got was the surprise of her life.

"It was gigantic - it must have been 8 feet tall," said Davis, an experienced backcountry camper from rural Boulder County and a former volunteer with the Great Bear Foundation.

"My first thought was, 'I'm looking at something I've never seen before,"' she said. "I didn't even think Bigfoot. The notion that these animals were out there in Colorado never crossed my mind."

Too afraid to move, the former instructor at the University of Colorado Law School simply stared at the visitor standing 12 feet away.

"It had very, very broad shoulders - huge shoulders," she said. "Its face was almost completely covered in fur but human-like, on the human side of halfway between a human and gorilla."

Medium-chestnut fur "like an Irish setter's" covered the giant, which stared back at her in apparent curiosity with big brown eyes.

For five years, Davis volunteered with the Great Bear Foundation in Montana, and gave several presentations one summer seated at the foot of a stuffed grizzly.

"I've had a lot of time to get to know what bears look like up close," she said. "This animal was bigger than any bear."

Davis said the giant uttered a low rumble, and immediately a second animal - slightly smaller and lighter in color - peered at her from behind the big one.

Then they turned, ran back into the forest, and disappeared. She left the next day.

For two years, Davis kept quiet about her encounter, sharing it with only a handful of friends and the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization, a volunteer group that tracks reports of Bigfoot, or sasquatch, across North America.

Hers is one of 54 reports of sasquatch sightings, tracks or vocalizations in Colorado during the past 40 years that are listed by the BFRO on its website.

Like most witnesses, Davis did not want her name published at the time. And she did not add her account to the repertoire of songs and stories that make her a favorite performer on the folk scene.

But a Washington state family's recent claim that their father's crude hoaxes were responsible for the Bigfoot phenomenon spurred Davis to come forward.

"Ray Wallace's family is saying the entire thing's a hoax," Davis said. "He may have hoaxed some things, as people have long suspected he did. I don't disagree that there have been other hoaxes in populated areas."

Wallace's family says their father, who liked practical jokes, created the modern myth of Bigfoot by stomping a track of oversized footprints in a Northern California logging camp in 1958, using wood-carved feet. Wallace, 84, died Nov. 26 in a Washington nursing home.

That confession doesn't explain sightings and tracks found in Colorado or elsewhere in the interior West, Davis said. Nor does it account for Native American traditions, which hold that hairy giants have inhabited certain mountain ranges since the beginning of time.

Or what happened to her.

Davis had left Spring Creek Pass with a string of four pack goats and two border collies. She'd planned a 10-day trip down the Colorado Trail to Durango.

But after three days on the busy trail, one goat got sick. So Davis left the trail near Jarosa Mesa, hoping to find a secluded area where she could tend the sick animal. She set up camp in a meadow with a spring at the far end. After more than a day tending increasingly nervous animals with her, it reached the point where "I knew they were alarmed, and whatever it was it was right outside the tent."

She yelled at her dogs to stay put, grabbed pepper spray, and rushed out to face the intruder. "In my wildest dreams, I might have expected to see a grizzly from the south San Juans," she said. "There is no question in my mind it was not a bear."

Or a hoax, for that matter.

Not a soul knew where she was.

"I know from looking at the expression on its face and from the graceful way it ran off that there was no way it could have been hoaxed," she said. "It was absolutely a beautiful lope. You could see muscles moving under the fur."

Davis knows the Bigfoot hoaxes and her resume as an entertainer will lead many to scoff at her account.

"I don't care if anybody believes me or not," she said. "I know what it was, and it was real."

"There's nothing more persuasive than staring something straight in the face."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: camper; gigantopithecus; gorilla
For discussion by thinking hominids!
1 posted on 01/10/2003 12:01:14 PM PST by scouse
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To: scouse
Then they turned, ran back into the forest, and disappeared. She left the next day.

I think I would have evacuated immediately...

2 posted on 01/10/2003 12:10:03 PM PST by IncPen (God as my witness I thought turkeys could fly)
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To: scouse
She's a 54 year old female. She's a musician. A folk musician. She Loves to get close to nature. We can speculate that she is a Gore supporter, that she owns a copy of "Earth in the Balance". We can further speculate that the claims from Mr Wallace's family that Bigfoot was a myth created by Mr Wallace in 1958 were personally very threatening to Ms Davis' view of nature as fragile and threatened.

I say she decided to come up with a good story to provide a claim that we need to protect the wild places because that's where Sasquatch lives.

3 posted on 01/10/2003 12:11:30 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: scouse
The vocalizations and smells reported here are similar to reports from the Amazon jungle. My own guess is that it is a ground sloth, a megafauna that was supposed to have become extinct at the end of the last ice age. While it was usually a vegetarian, it could hunt and kill something as big as a sabertooth cat if it wanted protein badly enough.
4 posted on 01/10/2003 12:13:52 PM PST by Publius
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To: ClearCase_guy
It's Al Gore. He's stopped shaving again.
5 posted on 01/10/2003 12:14:55 PM PST by asformeandformyhouse
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To: scouse
I generally have a pretty good vocabulary but confess I had to look up "hirsute". I have seen the word a couple of times but never knew that it meant shaggy, or hairy.
6 posted on 01/10/2003 12:15:43 PM PST by yarddog
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To: scouse
Of course, being a former instructor at the University of Colorado Law School, the idea of collecting actual evidence at the site never occurred to her.
7 posted on 01/10/2003 12:17:08 PM PST by per loin
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To: IncPen
Then they turned, ran back into the forest, and disappeared. She left the next day. I think I would have evacuated immediately...

She may have evacuated immediately. Many people would have. But, after changing her drawers, she still may have waited until the next day to leave the area.

8 posted on 01/10/2003 12:18:11 PM PST by steve in DC
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9 posted on 01/10/2003 12:18:35 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the DC Chapter at the Patriots Rally III on 1/18/03)
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To: per loin
I watched a show last night on the Discovery channel and it was concerned with the scientists who are actually investigating these creatures by using genuine scientific methods. Maybe in a year or two we might have an answer.
10 posted on 01/10/2003 12:21:13 PM PST by scouse
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To: scouse
Back in the seventies I ran into a guy in a small town in the North Cascades, who spent a lotta time hiking into a secluded river valley to make casts of Bigfoot tracks. He had hundreds of 'em. Coulda been a con or a whack job, but during the couple of months that I was there, I didn't get that impression.
11 posted on 01/10/2003 12:33:04 PM PST by per loin
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To: scouse
Back in the seventies I ran into a guy in a small town in the North Cascades, who spent a lotta time hiking into a secluded river valley to make casts of Bigfoot tracks. He had hundreds of 'em. Coulda been a con or a whack job, but during the couple of months that I was there, I didn't get that impression.
12 posted on 01/10/2003 12:33:12 PM PST by per loin
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To: PatrickHenry; general_re; longshadow
Hey, maybe they're the ones making all those crop circles.
13 posted on 01/10/2003 12:39:13 PM PST by balrog666 (Boo! Made you look!)
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To: scouse

14 posted on 01/10/2003 12:43:35 PM PST by Maceman
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To: balrog666
Hey, maybe they're the ones making all those crop circles.

Nah. No UFO sighting. Just bigfoot on foot.

15 posted on 01/10/2003 12:47:23 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: scouse
Pack goats? She's damn lucky she didn't encounter a cat!

Me thinks too much wacky tobacky.

MFO
16 posted on 01/10/2003 12:49:17 PM PST by Man from Oz
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To: scouse
Cougars live in many areas where they are never seen by people, because wild cougars are very secretive and avoid contact with humans at all costs. I don't have all that much trouble believing that there are other animals that are equally successful at avoiding detection, especially in areas with large tracts of uninhabited territory.
17 posted on 01/10/2003 1:04:54 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: scouse
"It was gigantic - it must have been 8 feet tall," said Davis, an experienced backcountry camper from rural Boulder County and a former volunteer with the Great Bear Foundation.

"It had very, very broad shoulders - huge shoulders," she said. "Its face was almost completely covered in fur but human-like, on the human side of halfway between a human and gorilla."

"I've had a lot of time to get to know what bears look like up close," she said. "This animal was bigger than any bear."

Davis said the giant uttered a low rumble, and immediately a second animal - slightly smaller and lighter in color - peered at her from behind the big one.

Then they turned, ran back into the forest, and disappeared.


18 posted on 01/10/2003 1:20:46 PM PST by TheDon
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To: Maceman
Thank you for your reply; however the picture you enclosed was that of the "Renocerus Floridensis" a lonely creature that inhabits the Everglades of Florida and can only be tracked by following the quivering of the sawgrass. :^))
19 posted on 01/10/2003 1:33:38 PM PST by scouse
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To: per loin
Back in the seventies I ran into a guy in a small town in the North Cascades, who spent a lotta time hiking into a secluded river valley to make casts of Bigfoot tracks. He had hundreds of 'em. Coulda been a con or a whack job, but during the couple of months that I was there, I didn't get that impression.

very funny...

20 posted on 01/10/2003 1:34:22 PM PST by 2oakes
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To: IncPen
I think I would have evacuated immediately...

If it was as big as she says, I would have evacuated immediately, too--even if I left the next day.

21 posted on 01/10/2003 1:59:50 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: scouse
Along the same lines, check out the history channel's current show on the "abominable snowman"

They claim Biblical refrences to the beast and then as proof present Esau! (paraphrase) "Who was hairy, a hunter and liked remote places"

I have never seen a more absurd attempt to legitimize something in my entire life.. It also implies a kind of beastality between the "Sons of God and earthly women"

Religious FReepers will just be shocked.

22 posted on 01/10/2003 2:05:17 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (LOTR out takes, Reel #2 Frodo to Sammy: "Yes! Kiss me you fool!")
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To: scouse
I don't have time to check back issues and map locations, but Chilton Williamson Jr. who writes the "100th Meridian" for Chronicles Magazine, has mentioned several trips into the Colorado back country to find these creatures.

So far he hasn't had a direct encounter but has written about truly unusual nighttime sounds -- rocks being smacked together in a perimeter around his campsite -- and other signs of unusual happenings. Apparently there's a lot of local interest in the possibility these creatures exist in that region, and as I recall several sightings have been reported.

I'm neither a believer nor a non-believer. Anything's possible and I'll keep an open mind until there is proof positive one way or the other. Every time I think it's not possible for such creatures to go undiscovered I think of all the Japanese soldiers who hid out in remote areas after World War II, sometimes for a decade or more. Williamson is neither a fool nor a sensationalist, and he's a very experienced outdoorsman.
23 posted on 01/10/2003 2:28:03 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: scouse
She yelled at her dogs to stay put, grabbed pepper spray, and rushed out to face the intruder.

If only she grabbed a camera, then we might have something to discuss. Funny, you'd think there would be tracks, or scat. That is, unless it is all myth.

24 posted on 01/10/2003 2:31:53 PM PST by Plutarch
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You know, one time we had a hill bombed for twelve hours, and when it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of them, not one stinking yeti body.

The smell -- you know, that gasoline smell -- the whole hill -- it smelled like victory
25 posted on 01/10/2003 3:39:03 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: Jhoffa_
Are you talking about : " Behold, Esau my brother is an hairy man, and I am smooth " ??

What is it ? You claim the Bible as absolute authority, then pick and choose which sections are applicable ? Keep in mind, when America was "discovered", a few centuries ago, biblical scholars were at a total loss to explain the existence of American Indians.

On what basis would you conclude the (alleged) Bigfoot was a cross between a human and a non-human ? Appearance ? Hairy-ness ? What some earnest Preacher shouted while in the pulpit ?

26 posted on 01/10/2003 4:10:15 PM PST by genefromjersey
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To: genefromjersey

You're an idiot..

If you knew what you were talking about you would realize that Esau was a man (as he was Jacob's brother) and appeared later in the Bible when Jacob feared his wrath.

He was not "The abominable snowman" "The sasquatch" "the Loch Ness Monster" or anything of the sort.

27 posted on 01/10/2003 6:09:36 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (I don't suffer fools..)
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To: Jhoffa_
Why, yes ! I am an idiot !

I didn't know you and that hairy rascal were so close : I mean, you knowing his momma and all !

And, yes : I did know the story tells of twins : one hairy from birth; one smooth. The smooth twin conspired with his mommy to steal his brother's birthright : the same sort of thing some bible thumpers have done down through the ages.

What I've noticed ( being an idiot )is you have to be careful when thumping bibles, because you never know what's going to fall out of the pages !

28 posted on 01/11/2003 4:39:42 AM PST by genefromjersey
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To: genefromjersey

Good

They say admitting you have a problem is the first step.

29 posted on 01/11/2003 4:50:37 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
They also say : " He that sayeth to his brother "Thou fool ! ", he shall also be in danger of the Judgment. "
30 posted on 01/11/2003 7:21:42 AM PST by genefromjersey
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To: genefromjersey

There is a biblical prohibition against truthfulness? I didn't know that.

Now... if you are through wasting both our time with your whining, ego mending, urban legends and other antics, perhaps you should actually READ that thing, as opposed to using it to cherry-pick scripture like this. (?)

Believe me, you would benefit from tending your own garden for a while..

31 posted on 01/11/2003 8:18:46 AM PST by Jhoffa_ (Call that man a whaaaaaambulance.. !)
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To: scouse
Medium-chestnut fur "like an Irish setter's" covered the giant,

Not green.

32 posted on 01/11/2003 8:26:19 AM PST by null and void (Why are there no green mammals?...)
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To: Jhoffa_
Good idea ! Let me shake the dust from off my sandals !
33 posted on 01/11/2003 8:28:08 AM PST by genefromjersey
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To: scouse
There's allegedly a bigfoot, or family of them, running around in SE Oklahoma.

Southern Bigfoot

34 posted on 01/11/2003 8:30:25 AM PST by Brett66
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To: genefromjersey

Good idea, try to swallow as little as you can though..

35 posted on 01/11/2003 8:34:01 AM PST by Jhoffa_ (Hey, I heard the Virgin Mary was actually a Kracken! No, really.. some nut on FR told me.)
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To: scouse
"It had very, very broad shoulders - huge shoulders," she said. "Its face was almost completely covered in fur but human-like, on the human side of halfway between a human and gorilla."

(swoon)

36 posted on 01/11/2003 8:40:23 AM PST by William Terrell
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To: Jhoffa_
Sorry my friend. I just don't have as much patience with braying jackasses as I used to. On the other hand, neither did Jesus. ( I'm sure you've read his rants on the Pharisees. )

I just guessing, but, if Jesus were on the earth today, I suspect most of the big bible thumpers would be screaming for His crucifixion...

37 posted on 01/11/2003 9:51:22 AM PST by genefromjersey
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To: genefromjersey
Personally, at this point.. I would be happy to just simply not agree.

While I do firmly maintain that scripture in no way supports Esau as "bigfoot" (1. he was Jacob's brother, 2. he was mentioned later and he was not living as a savage, but as a sucessful man in his day) if you are really a well meaning Christian who just doesn't know any better, then I am sorry for jumping down your throat.

I get so sick and tired of people trying to warp scripture to advance various agendas (Peter was a fag, Jesus healed with pot, Jesus would hate you for driving an SUV, etc. You name it and I have heard it at least thrice.) that it has become something of a knee jerk reaction with me..

I apologize for calling you an idiot.

There.

38 posted on 01/11/2003 10:04:57 AM PST by Jhoffa_ (It's "Bug Music" Ahhhhhhh!)
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To: Brett66
I believe there have been sightings of some creature (Not the Renocerus Floridensis) down here in Florida which is commonly referred to as, "The Skunk Ape".
39 posted on 01/11/2003 12:20:47 PM PST by scouse
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To: Jhoffa_
Well said, my friend !

Peace to you and yours.

40 posted on 01/11/2003 12:45:12 PM PST by genefromjersey
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To: genefromjersey
You also..
41 posted on 01/11/2003 3:27:39 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (It's "Bug Music" Ahhhhhhh!)
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