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Music minister arrested in gun raid
Tennessean ^ | 1/9/2003 | Rob Johnson

Posted on 01/10/2003 12:21:18 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants

Edited on 05/07/2004 9:20:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A Mt. Juliet music minister with a cache of vintage firearms was arrested yesterday on federal weapons possession charges after agents found 15 machine guns stashed in his home.

Acting on a tip, agents from U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms obtained a search warrant yesterday and entered Mark S. Lancaster's two-story brick house at 267 Page Drive. Their informant told the agents they would find automatic weapons in a room near Lancaster's big-screen TV, affidavits show.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; machineguns
The guy has apparently illegally rebuilt some machine guns from parts kits. He is absolutely no threat to society and there is no way he could legally register them if he wanted to.

Perhaps this would be a good SC test case to at least reverse the 1986 MG ban.

1 posted on 01/10/2003 12:21:18 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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2 posted on 01/10/2003 12:22:03 PM PST by Mo1 (Join the DC Chapter at the Patriots Rally III on 1/18/03)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Let's see--someone obviously had it in for this guy, so he ratted him out to the police. The man posed no threat to anyone. However, the police can confiscate his guns. Makes sense--no 2nd Amendment rights violated here/sarcasm.
3 posted on 01/10/2003 12:27:19 PM PST by basil
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Assuming that the SC would overturn the ban. I'm sure O'Connor and Kennedy could find some compelling state interest that allows them to ignore 2nd Amendment protection of thr RKBA and uphold the NFA.
4 posted on 01/10/2003 12:27:29 PM PST by freedomcrusader
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To: *bang_list
Bang

I hope it hasn't been reposted
5 posted on 01/10/2003 12:28:13 PM PST by Maelstrom (Government Limited to Enumerated Powers is your freedom to do what isn't in the Constitution.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
What's a music minister?
6 posted on 01/10/2003 12:29:45 PM PST by Maceman
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To: Blood of Tyrants
''Some of these items collectors may want because of the historical value,'' [ATF Special Agent in Charge James] Cavanaugh said of the World War II-era weapons. ''Others are very cheaply made and are remanufactured.'' He added: ''We don't want these things around. They are illegally possessed.''

Confiscations are here: "We don't want these things around." It's not a question of registration, it's a question of getting rid of as many as possible, under any pretext.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." - Second Amendment to the US Constitution.

7 posted on 01/10/2003 12:35:30 PM PST by coloradan
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To: coloradan
Yep. So what could be added to the "illegal to possess" list in coming years?
8 posted on 01/10/2003 1:00:14 PM PST by banjo joe
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To: coloradan
Confiscations are here: "We don't want these things around." It's not a question of registration, it's a question of getting rid of as many as possible, under any pretext.

And therein lies the complete absurdity and dubious nature of laws against "possession" of objects. Like you quoted the man, his rational for not "Wanting those things around" is that they are "illegally possessed" - not that the man had attempted to harm, theatened to harm or harmed anyone.

I wonder if the founding fathers could have ever imagined a governmental agency who's sole purpose is to take things away from people that someone said "they cant have" and then throw them in prison or kill them if they resist. No, I doubt it.

9 posted on 01/10/2003 1:06:08 PM PST by FreeTally (If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"...in a room near Lancaster's big-screen TV..."

Can anyone explain for what purpose this little bit of info was added to the story? I can't think of any normal journalistic purpose. Maybe to intimate that "music ministers" are not supposed to be able to afford them? I dunno. Weird.
10 posted on 01/10/2003 1:07:05 PM PST by rpierce
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To: Maceman
What's a music minister?

A person in the church is who is in charge of the music presentations like the quire or whatever the church may have.

11 posted on 01/10/2003 1:08:02 PM PST by FreeTally (If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?)
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To: Maceman
A music minister is usually in charge of church music--a choir director, worship leader, teacher of music--that sort of thing.
12 posted on 01/10/2003 1:14:43 PM PST by Marysecretary
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To: Maceman
In larger churches, they are the person who cooridinates the choir and the musucians and help select the music.
13 posted on 01/10/2003 1:16:00 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Tag lines are stupid.)
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To: rpierce
"...in a room near Lancaster's big-screen TV..."

Can anyone explain for what purpose this little bit of info was added to the story? I can't think of any normal journalistic purpose. Maybe to intimate that "music ministers" are not supposed to be able to afford them? I dunno. Weird.

Ministers are supposed to be poor. Music ministers poorer still.

It's all part of the press's insinuendo to portray Christians in as bad a light as possible.

Is it now a crime to watch the Hitler Channel on tv now?

My uncle passed away a few years ago and left a Nazi relic machine gun. In order to legally own the gun, paperwork had to be submitted every year. Is it possible the music minister was behind in filing his yearly paperwork in order to legally own the machine guns?

It is a full time work for me to keep up with my income tax questions, so the last thing I wanted was a gun that required constant paper work. Still, I would have loved to have had it as a collector's item.

14 posted on 01/10/2003 1:18:57 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I would like to think the 86 MG ban could be rescinded, but it's not likely due to emotional hysterics from the other side. Here's the way I see it:

1- The NFA began as a TAX to collect $200, which at that time was considerable revenue. That was 1934.
2- The NFA morphed into a beaurocracy to screen applicants for criminal background checks to be worth to own an MG.
3- Now the NFA seems to be a registry of the few, extremely overpriced civilian-transferable pool of guns since 1986.

It seems to me that, If I've PAID THE TAX, and I've PASSED THE BACKGROUND CHECKS, and I'm SIGNED OFF BY LOCAL LE as someone safe to own an MG, then I should be able to BUY, CONVERT or MODIFY ANYTHING I WANT AT A REASONABLE PRICE, as long as I then register it. I mean, let's face it, I could still satisfy all 3 goals of the NFA; the tax, background checks and registry. It's a crime that I cannot afford to buy a cheap, stamped MG because the NFA has driven the price up to thousands of dollars with incredible hassle and delay. It's not likely to get better soon though. Imagine a politician publicly advocating repeal of MG laws. The gun grabbers would slice him/her to ribbons. "Senator Doe Wants to Put Machine Guns on the Streets", "Senator Doe Turns Back 70 Years Of Public Safety", "Senator Doe Arms Gang Members", "NRA's and Criminals' Wet Dream" etc. You get the picture. Ain't gonna happen (unless there's a revolution)

15 posted on 01/10/2003 2:07:16 PM PST by Sender
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To: Sender
That's why it will have to be done in the courts. No crime other than possession has been committed here. It would seem that it would be a good SC case for a major 2A challenge..
16 posted on 01/10/2003 2:13:14 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Tag lines are stupid.)
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To: FreeTally
I wonder if the founding fathers could have ever imagined a governmental agency who's sole purpose is to take things away from people that someone said "they cant have" and then throw them in prison or kill them if they resist.

They sure didn't have any trouble imagining how to respond to the Whiskey Rebellion.

17 posted on 01/10/2003 2:15:29 PM PST by Oberon
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To: Blood of Tyrants
''a Nazi buff,''

Of course. No church going, gun buff, full auto garage manufacturer is going to live in a house without a Shrine to da Fuhrer.

18 posted on 01/10/2003 3:07:07 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: coloradan
''We don't want these things around. They are illegally possessed.''

Our only appropriate reply (if we had cojones): "F#$k you, Mr. BATF thug. Come and TAKE them, if you dare."

19 posted on 01/10/2003 3:11:43 PM PST by BenR2
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Lancaster is charged with having unregistered machine guns. He faces up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine if convicted, according to U.S. Attorney James Vines

So much for being "very cooperative".

20 posted on 01/10/2003 8:41:43 PM PST by Mulder
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