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Saving Black Babies
Christianity Today ^ | 01/10/2003 | Sheryl Blunt

Posted on 01/11/2003 4:54:06 AM PST by toenail

Saving Black Babies
Abortion has cost 13 million African American lives.
By Sheryl Blunt in Washington | posted 01/10/2003

Growing up in inner city Detroit, Janine Simpson and her girlfriends didn't think twice about having abortions. In her all-black neighborhood, teen abortions were the norm, she says, and the local abortion clinic was a fixture.

"My friends and I, we all had abortions," Simpson says. "We didn't even think about it. To us it was just getting rid of a blob of tissue. We'd say, 'Oh, you pregnant? Okay, let's go take care of it.' "

But after Simpson's own abortion her freshman year of college, things changed. She became a Christian and after graduation developed a passion to help other women with unplanned pregnancies.

"I had gone through a healing process and felt I needed to talk to them and share my heart," says Simpson, now an ordained minister through the Potter's House.

Simpson has just started a new job as director of urban center development for Care Net. She works with inner-city church leaders to educate their communities about the need for alternatives to abortion. Care Net, an umbrella group for 600 crisis pregnancy centers across the country, launched a pilot project in Philadelphia last September. It aims to establish pregnancy resource centers and prolife clinics in largely black, urban areas where such centers are rare.

Black abortion epidemic
"The perception is that we as black people keep our children," Simpson says. The reality, she says, is that 512 of every 1,000 African American pregnancies end in abortion.

African American women constitute 13 percent of the female population in the United States. However, they have 36 percent of the abortions, according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, Planned Parenthood's research arm. In Pennsylvania, the figures are even more disproportionate. Ten percent of the female population is black, but they have 45 percent of all abortions in Pennsylvania.

"Planned Parenthood has come in and exploited the inner city," Simpson says, adding that many inner-city residents have easy access to an abortion clinic.

"Thirteen million African Americans are missing from abortion," says Clenard Howard Childress, regional director of the North East chapter of LEARN. The Life Education And Resource Network is the nation's largest African American prolife group. "We are the only ethnic group in the county whose numbers are declining."

Charges of racism
The disproportionate number of abortions among African Americans has spurred prolifers to charge that Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers are systematically targeting blacks and other minority groups for abortion. Critics say Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood's founder, held racist views.

Planned Parenthood maintains that Sanger disagreed with eugenicists, Nazis, and racists. But prolife activists cite evidence that Sanger and her colleagues were closely associated with white supremacists and sought to limit the populations of minorities and the disabled.

According to Emily Taft Douglas's book Margaret Sanger: Pioneer of the Future, in 1926 Sanger was the guest speaker at a Ku Klux Klan rally in Silverlake, New Jersey. She founded the American Birth Control League-the precursor to Planned Parenthood-in 1921 with C. C. Little and Lothrup Stoddard, two known racists. The latter authored the book The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy.

Sanger and the founders of the league advocated population control through abortion, contraception, or sterilization. A particular target of their efforts was the urban poor. She also opposed welfare and charitable intervention because she believed it increased the minority underclass.

In her book, The Pivot of Civilization, Sanger complained that governments have not managed "to restrain, either by force or persuasion, the moron and the imbecile from producing his large family of feeble-minded offspring."

Particularly disturbing to many pro-life African Americans is Sanger's involvement in the Negro Project. Devised more than 60 years ago to promote sterilization and birth control among blacks, the Negro Project focused on training black ministers and doctors to take Sanger's message into minority neighborhoods. In an ambiguously worded letter to colleague Clarence Gamble dated December 10, 1939, Sanger wrote: "The minister's work is also important and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

Recruiting ministers
Abortion-rights groups continue to recruit African American clergy. In 1997, the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (RCRC), previously the Religious Coalition for Abortion Rights, launched the Black Church Initiative. According to the program's founder, Carlton W. Veazey, the initiative was a response to the high rate of pregnancy among black teens. It sought to create discussion in black churches about sexuality, reproductive health, AIDS, violence, and sexual orientation.

The successful kickoff event included 400 pastors and black religious leaders. Afterward, the group developed a curriculum called "Keeping It Real," which has been introduced in 600 mostly inner-city churches in 15 states, says Veazey.

The RCRC is based in Washington D.C. and includes abortion supporters from mainline Christian denominations as well as the Unitarian Universalist and the American Humanist associations. Also, the RCRC is closely allied with Planned Parenthood and top secular abortion-rights groups.

Veazey told CT that he has a program with Planned Parenthood called "All Options Counseling." In it, Planned Parenthood will call him if it needs an RCRC-trained minister to come to a clinic and counsel a pregnant woman one on one. "I support Planned Parenthood 100 percent," he says.

Veazey says his group "absolutely does not promote abortion in any way." But an RCRC listing of online resources says, "Our primary role is educating the public to make clear that abortion can be a moral, ethical, and religiously responsible decision."

To some prolife activists, Sanger's Negro Project and the Black Church Initiative seem eerily similar. "As far I'm concerned, their Black Church Initiative is the same thing, repacked," says Johnny M. Hunter, national director of LEARN, Inc. "[Veazey's] going along with a group that's doing the KKK's work for them."

Veazey called some of Sanger's statements "unfortunate." He says charges of racism and genocide against Sanger are scare tactics. "The black community and religious leaders of our country would not be supporting us if we were pursuing genocide."

Prolife African Americans say they are vigorously challenging the link between abortion-rights groups and inner-city churches. LEARN's Childress says abortion providers know "if they ever lose their foundational stronghold in the black church, [their] movement ceases to exist."

"They also understand that the greatest threat to their agenda would be conservative churches that espouse a Judeo-Christian ethic." Childress says he is trying to get the word out through his radio program and website, blackgenocide.org. His radio program, "The Urban Prophet," is broadcast five days a week in eight states and twice weekly in New York.

Practical help
Prolife activists say getting more African American ministers to speak out is key. "The clergy and the black leadership in general run from the word abortion," says Barbara Thomas, founder of the inner-city North Baton Rouge Women's Heath Center in Louisiana. "They don't want anything to do with it, and it's their parishioners we're seeing. The majority of our clients have never heard their pastor even talk against abortion."

Thomas says that of the 60 to 80 clients she sees each month, 98 percent are African American. In order to help these predominantly low-income women, many of whom are high- school dropouts, the center now focuses on education and vocational training. It also helps with child placement, abstinence education, and pregnancy services. It has a pregnancy health clinic with a nurse practitioner and a sonogram machine. The center also has a child-loss recovery program for women seeking post-abortion counseling.

To encourage fathers, the health center co-sponsors with a local church on the "Man to Man" program, which helps new fathers build stronger relationship with their children. The center plans to renovate a 22,000 square foot warehouse to add typing and computer training to its GED and literacy program. Thomas says while the average age of her clients is 19 or 20, she's seen pregnant girls as young as 11. One 12-year-old girl, Thomas says, was on the verge of having an abortion. She reconsidered and gave birth to twins. Different families later adopted the twins and the girl.

Simpson is exploring using Thomas's center as a model for other crisis pregnancy centers in Philadelphia. "We cannot encourage women to have babies and then continue their dependency on the system," Simpson says. "We can't leave them without the resources to care for their children and then say, 'Praise the Lord, we saved a baby.'"

Hunter says LEARN Chicago plans a Midwest regional conference for April 24-26 to mobilize black opinion leaders. "There are people God has made watchmen, and now's the time for the watchmen to call out," Hunter says. "Abortion has been allowed to creep into the black community, and a lot of black pastors have missed it. They haven't sounded the alarm. No pastor wants to stand before God and say this happened on their watch."

In the March CT, Mark Stricherz will report how early sonograms influence a mother's choice to keep her baby.


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To some prolife activists, Sanger's Negro Project and the Black Church Initiative seem eerily similar. "As far I'm concerned, their Black Church Initiative is the same thing, repacked," says Johnny M. Hunter, national director of LEARN, Inc. "[Veazey's] going along with a group that's doing the KKK's work for them."
The White Aryan Resistance's official position on abortion, in part: "Among non-Whites, invest in ghetto abortion clinics. Help to raise money for free abortions. Abortion clinic syndicates throughout North America, that primarily operate in non-White areas and receive tax support, should be promoted."

The Road to Abortion [FR thread]

1 posted on 01/11/2003 4:54:07 AM PST by toenail
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To: mhking; Coleus
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2 posted on 01/11/2003 4:55:51 AM PST by toenail
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To: toenail
This is disgusting, and it should get more publicity (although I doubt that it will).

Does anybody remember that when Jesse Jackson started out, many, many years ago, he was strongly opposed to abortion and in fact regarded it as an attack on blacks? Of course, when he sold his soul to the Democratic Party, he conveniently forgot all that.
3 posted on 01/11/2003 5:01:06 AM PST by livius
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
Black conservative ping

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4 posted on 01/11/2003 5:26:30 AM PST by mhking
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To: livius
JJ was one of many who had to sell their soul to remain a RAT. Gore was another. Democrats = Lucifer.

One day the veil will be lifted from the eyes of those who have fallen for the Demo/lib/leftist trap.

Then there will be gnashing of teeth.

5 posted on 01/11/2003 5:46:45 AM PST by happygrl
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To: toenail
Thanks for a wonderful article. It tells a hard truth that is bitterly resisted in Black America. First of all, there is simple denial--as in "Well, whites have just as many abortions, but they go to private doctors, so nobody really knows." Then there's the "Maybe so, but it's racist to bring up stuff like this."

I know this because I worked for many years in a predominately Black college, where listening to students' abortion stories finally convinced me that the pro-choice position was a fraud and that abortion-on-demand debases those who are caught up in its web of killing. When I finally spoke out, my colleagues (and employers)were horrified

Like the breakdown of the African-American family, of which the abortion mania is a part, the destruction of so many unborn babies (possibly, as the article indicates, a majority of those conceived) is a "dirty little secret" in Black America. It will take churchmen of great integrity, African-American churchmen, to combat it effectively. But precious few of them will raise their voices this MLK Holiday.

6 posted on 01/11/2003 6:10:05 AM PST by madprof98
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To: madprof98
"When I finally spoke out, my colleagues (and employers)were horrified."

What happened after that?

7 posted on 01/11/2003 6:17:25 AM PST by Artist
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To: toenail
Bookmarked. Thanks, toenail.
8 posted on 01/11/2003 6:18:21 AM PST by Artist
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To: toenail
The “population controllers” – could be nothing more than responsible people making sure they replicate themselves after marriage and with forethought. The acceptance of sex as a sport, has reduced the population of wanted children to a plethora of unwanted pregnancies.

Prior to the ‘pill’ we had a fairly moral society of young men and women who practiced judgment, decency, respect and responsibility. All that flew out the window with the advent of the pill and drugs. The billions of dollars spent on sex education, for the most part, merely titillated and stimulated the minds of the mindless and poorly raised young people. So sex became a sport with pregnancy the outcome. Is it any wonder that the marathoners have multiple un-wanted pregnancies?

How many of the unborn were the result of incest, rape, crack or some other lethal drug? Is it safe to say these unhatched children were already aborted in the womb? The result of crime, lust, TV as the teacher rather than a responsible parent, print and media, soap opera, a president who glorified for millions the art of the BJ?

Perhaps if political correctness were not the prevalent factor in our educational system, sex education would have remained with a responsible parent and unwanted pregnancies not the norm. Children that are born, no longer have the luxury of being just children before they are subjected, nay, bombarded with titillating behavior way beyond their years...you can’t expect them to respect the unborn when they have no respect for themselves, not even a clue.

Color is not the problem.

9 posted on 01/11/2003 6:19:32 AM PST by yoe
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To: toenail
Blacks vote democrat over 90% of the time. That is a lot of missing votes for democrats. If not for abortion, a lot of elections in the past decade would have went democrat if they had an extra 10 million democrat votes.

For example: Florida would certainly have went for Gore in 2000 if abortion had been illegal in Florida.

10 posted on 01/11/2003 6:25:27 AM PST by waterstraat
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To: toenail
Perhaps it is time for more families to adoopt these beautiful black infants instead of stepping over them in the rush to adopt out of country babies.
11 posted on 01/11/2003 8:12:15 AM PST by mlmr
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To: madprof98
The main motivation of PP here is not, in my opinion, limiting the black population. It's money. It's a for-profit killing business, pure and simple. African-Americans are just easier targets, unfortunately. Their leaders won't speak out on this issue...
12 posted on 01/11/2003 11:34:19 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: mhking; toenail; yoe
Veazey says his group "absolutely does not promote abortion in any way." But an RCRC listing of online resources says, "Our primary role is educating the public to make clear that abortion can be a moral, ethical, and religiously responsible decision." It is glaring to see the duplicitous mindset that can make the underlined statement above, then follow it with the next contradictory sentence ... and from a supposed minister of God? What mind has become so degenerated that it can claim hiring a serial killer to routinely slaughter preborn individual human beings is 'a moral, ethical, and religiously responsible decision'? Black babies? ... Color is but a minor detail someone ought note when serial killing of a completely disenfranchised group of fellow Americans is at issue. These are our posterity being slaughtered! These are OUR innocent children.

Yoe, you have nailed the deeper fundamental issue ... whom rasies our children and what teaches them their moral imperatives. When degenerates like Jesse Jackson, bill clinton, Al Gore, and the collection of servants of evil in the above named 'religious association' are the selected for leadership, the society will decline precipitously. Do the collected citizenship of this nation have a fundamental right to censor what is spewed forth into society in the name of profit? Absodamnlutely! The sooner we repudiate this PC liberal bilge spittle that freedom means allowing anything to ooze forth into the public, the sooner we will begin to take back this nation and stand for something besides 'if it feels good and you want it, do it'.

As MLKing's day approaches, I would add, no matter what else one believes of Martin, he DID work to bring America to live up to the values it espoused regarding equality of opportunity in right to life and liberty. That's a notion I can wholeheartedly embrace. Would that my fellow Americans could reject the duplicitous posturing of the Jesse Jacksons and Carlton Veazeys, and see these demonic imps for whom they truly serve.

13 posted on 01/11/2003 12:11:45 PM PST by MHGinTN (Every individual human lifetime begins at conception and continues on life support from someone)
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To: waterstraat
I think you're missing the point. If abortion COULD be illegal in Florida, then the Republican party would probably cease to exist. The outlawing of abortion would be detrimental to the survival of the Republican coalition. Are you saying that we shouldnt work against one of the main tenets of the Republican platform because we might lose an election??? The point of politics is to achievegoals, not simply to win.
14 posted on 01/11/2003 12:27:58 PM PST by Blackyce
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To: toenail; mhking; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; american colleen; ...
http://www.bondinfo.org/mediacommunications/articles/art/abortion.htm

Abortion: Black Genocide!

The Negro Project
http://blackgenocide.org/planned.html
http://www.blackgenocide.org/negro.html
http://lifeadvocate.com/1_98/feature.htm
http://www.bondinfo.org/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/612636/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a65e71052ff.htm


Dr. Gamble heir to the Proctor and Gamble fortune
http://www.trunkerton.fsnet.co.uk/Eugenics.htm
http://www.pop.org/reports/pathfind.txt

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I remember someone who spoke against this program before the Long Branch Housing Board of Commissioners and the audience (mostly Black--including residents and Parents and TWO FREEPERS)sitting there, they listened, and after the meeting they approached the speaker and thanked him for alerting them to the fact that Planned Parenthood and Margaret Higgins Sanger were eugenicists and wanted the Black Race annihilated. So, he asked, "Did you vote against the Program or speak against the program" the man responded, "No, the summer program is good for the kids and doesn't mention abortion" So, Go figure!!!!!! Let's face it, when you mention the words "program" "for the kids" "choice" blacks, democrats, etc. fall for it!!!

Camp class under fire

Published in the Asbury Park Press 8/16/01
By GEORGIA EAST
COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU

LONG BRANCH -- A family planning organization that runs a self-esteem class at a local city day camp is coming under fire from a small group of pro-life activists.

The class, taught by Planned Parenthood at the Long Branch Housing Authority's summer camp, teaches children from ages 5 to 12 about how self-esteem affects attitude and behavior.

But a group of about six pro-life activists, who attended a Housing Authority board of commissioner's meeting at Garfield Court last night, said they believe Planned Parenthood has a hidden agenda to start reaching out to young children -- although the subjects of abortion or contraceptives is not discussed in the program, which includes personal hygiene.

"They are getting their name out that they are people to trust," said Rita Duenas, of Freehold, who believes the organization should not be associated with the camp.

But several residents of the housing authority, including the acting executive director, said they support the program because it is not sexual in nature, and gives children positive activities to take part in.

"I'm against abortion, but a strong supporter of Planned Parenthood. They teach the children awareness and self esteem," said Jeanette Platts, who lives in the Woodrow Wilson complex. "It's not about abortion; it's about good hygiene."

Michael Winnick, acting executive director at the Housing Authority, said Planned Parenthood has been teaching the same classes at the camp for three years. The program was approved by the previous executive director, Winnick said. Planned Parenthood's education department comes in for one hour a week for about five weeks in the summer and conducts activities with the children.

"I understand the concerns of people who feel there is an underlying reason for Planned Parenthood to be there," said Winnick. "But this is coming from an abstinence-based curriculum." He said parents are monitoring the classes closely, and the organization's name is not on materials given to the children.

Winnick said he has received few complaints from people who live in housing authority buildings. And he said there are no plans to eliminate the program.

Phyllis Kinsler, CEO of Planned Parenthood of Central New Jersey, said she was not surprised to learn that there were people opposed to the organization's arrangement with the camp.

"There are people who think we shouldn't do anything, anywhere, anytime," said Kinsler, who said the camp program is constructive and age-appropriate.

Kinsler said in one of this summer's projects, the children had pictures of themselves taken and then decorated picture frames with items that said something about their personality.

"We're a small part of a comprehensive effort to do good things for their kids," Kinsler said.

Keith Roberson, who is the drug elimination program coordinator at the Housing Authority and a reverend, said he has no problem with the program.

"I've spot checked and talked to counselors," Roberson said. "As a man of God, I don't believe in abortion," but he said he feels secure that those subjects aren't raised at the camp.

"I would be more excited if you would come back to help our youth," Roberson said to the group of activists at the meeting.

Cecilia Mazza, Long Branch, said she will continue to rally to have the program removed.

"How can we, as parents, trust our children to an organization whose primary agenda is to aggressively pursue nullifying parents rights and undermining parental authority?" Mazza said.

Julie Rogers said to the board, "Planned Parenthood has got its foot in the door. How long will this existing agenda last before the real agenda kicks in?"

Mary Cooper, who works at the day camp, told the board the children look forward to the one-hour-a-week classes, which ended for the season on Friday.

Published on August 16, 2001

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Attention Catholic Voters:

Planned Parenthood of Central New Jersey, one of New Jersey's largest providers of abortions, gets $1,442,085 in Federal and State government grants. 40% of their $3,458,786 revenues.

They spend $305,388 lobbying for more tax money and AGAINST a ban on Partial Birth Abortions and AGAINST Parental Notification when a teenager wants to have an abortion.

Now at the Long Branch Housing Authority's Summer Camp, they are teaching their anti-Catholic pro-abortion rhetoric to children as young as 4 years old.

Spring Lake Mayor, Thomas Byrne, says they need to get County tax dollars too. Please call him and tell him they do not need to get County tax dollars as well. 732-449-0800 x2 x1

Please call Long Branch Mayor Adam Schneider and tell him that children, especially four year old children, should not be taught anything by Planned Parenthood. 732-222-7000 x 271

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PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH appoints 5 PRO ABORTION Judges to the Federal Bench in NJ!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/794020/posts

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New US Senate President, Bill Frist (R.-Tenn.), a Major Shareholder in Reputed For-Profit Abortion Provider

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/articles/12-23-02/jeffrey.htm

and supports stem-cell research, read last paragraph:

http://frist.senate.gov/testbed/press-item.cfm/hurl/id=183224

and

Senator Frist, R-TN championed confirmation
of pro-abortion Satcher,

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30100

Bush isn't really pro life.

President Bush Appoints 5 Pro-Abortion Judges to the Federal Bench in NJ.

http://www.northjersey.com/cgi-bin/page.pl?id=5670854

Bush Funds Abortion Overseas
http://www.covenantnews.com/bortvote.htm#link

The Bush Family Secret
http://www.all.org/news/bushad2.pdf
A Catholic Response to Bush's Stem Cell Decision
http://www.all.org/abac/rf001.htm
http://www.all.org/issues/broken.htm
Do We Have A Pro-Life President?
http://www.all.org/celebrate_life/cl0107d.htm
http://www.house.gov/burton/RSC/word/Akin.PDF
http://www.all.org/stopp/rr0210.htm
other
http://www.all.org/stopp/rr0103.htm
http://www.all.org/stopp/rr0205.pdf
http://www.all.org/issues/scanalyz.htm

Bush funds 'Faith-Based Condom Religion'
Bush OK's NY Medicaid Plan For Contraceptives
http://www.all.org/stopp/st021004.htm

Bush Advances Legacy Of Bad Decisions,
Broken Promises And Dead Babies
http://www.all.org/news/020709.htm

Bush's gay-friendly judicial nominees...
Log Cabin Republicans Ease Intolerance
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=14141

Planned Parenthood started out as an organization to enhance the eugenics movement and to kill off the minorities.

President Bush and Senate President Frist: Stop the Eugenics Movement and Condom Distributions in School, END TITLE X FUNDING NOW!!

http://blackgenocide.org/planned.html
http://www.blackgenocide.org/negro.html

Stop Planned Parenthood
http://www.all.org/stopp/
15 posted on 01/11/2003 1:57:04 PM PST by Coleus (Hello Ball)
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To: mhking
This madness must be stopped.
16 posted on 01/11/2003 2:02:55 PM PST by jwalsh07 (March for Life in DC ,1/22/03.)
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To: *Bush Babes list
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17 posted on 01/11/2003 2:11:05 PM PST by Coleus (Hello Ball)
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To: jwalsh07
Are you going to the march? Freepers will be meeting at a special location.
18 posted on 01/11/2003 2:41:14 PM PST by Coleus (Hello Ball)
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To: Coleus
You bet.
19 posted on 01/11/2003 2:55:12 PM PST by jwalsh07 (March for Life in DC ,1/22/03.)
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To: toenail
The reality, she says, is that 512 of every 1,000 African American pregnancies end in abortion.
African American women constitute 13 percent of the female population in the United States. However, they have 36 percent of the abortions, according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, Planned Parenthood's research arm. In Pennsylvania, the figures are even more disproportionate. Ten percent of the female population is black, but they have 45 percent of all abortions in Pennsylvania.

Anybody have links to these stats?

20 posted on 01/11/2003 3:07:46 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
Abortion Statistics through 1997

All the abortion ststistics you could possibly want. What is noteworthy on this thread is that black women, comprising about 12% of the population, account for 35% of abortions.

There will be some hell to pay when folks like Jesse and Hillary line up to see St Peter, eh?

21 posted on 01/11/2003 3:33:05 PM PST by jwalsh07 (March for Life in DC ,1/22/03.)
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To: *President Bush list; *Bush Babes list; *Catholic_list; pro-life; *SCOTUS_List
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22 posted on 01/11/2003 5:05:36 PM PST by Coleus (Hello Ball)
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To: toenail
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/612636/posts?page=18#18
23 posted on 01/11/2003 5:17:47 PM PST by Coleus (Hello Ball)
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To: Artist
What happened after that?

Not a whole lot. I got into a long "argument" with a colleague who claimed my statistics must be wrong. He demanded proof, and I spent a good while collecting it for him. To no avail, of course. Once I presented him with solid written sources for my numbers, he said the problem was that the MAN (I kid you not) was putting out fake data to badmouth Black people. This is the sort of person my students considered an intellectual!

Aside from this guy, most of my colleagues just avoided the subject. But my big boss (the college prez) made very sure I suffered, and--for this as well as many other of my indiscretions--he saw to it that my early retirement came just a bit earlier than I had planned.

24 posted on 01/11/2003 6:05:07 PM PST by madprof98
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To: madprof98
Place marker
25 posted on 01/11/2003 9:25:00 PM PST by MHGinTN (Every individual lifetime begins at conception and continues on life support from someone)
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To: mlmr
"Perhaps it is time for more families to adoopt these beautiful black infants instead of stepping over them in the rush to adopt out of country babies."

Perhaps it is time for people like you to adopt a less demeaning and insulting attitude towards other adoptive children instead of stepping over them in the rush to advance your own agenda.

26 posted on 01/12/2003 6:35:34 AM PST by Artist
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To: Artist
You are such a bore... If you can't tell a personal attack from a comment on social policy perhaps you should find thicker skin...
27 posted on 01/12/2003 7:59:35 AM PST by mlmr
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To: Coleus
"I would be more excited if you would come back to help our youth," Roberson said to the group of activists at the meeting.

The man has a good point. Pro-lifers need to be positive as well as being in the fight against PP. Could conservative groups create a program which teaches the positive parts of the one offered by PP and offer it to these day camps, or to youth groups in the area?

28 posted on 01/12/2003 9:32:20 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
They are all over the place but not well know, they do what the can with the resources they have. I am sure the pro-life network in your state or any state can will be able to tell one where these programs and agencies are. In NJ there is one that I know of http://www.lifenetnj.org and these camps have to ask. The camp in the housing project sided with murder and eugenics of the Black race to be taught by these same people who have been killing them for 75 yrs., oh well.
29 posted on 01/12/2003 2:01:51 PM PST by Coleus (Hello Ball)
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To: Coleus
In NJ there is one that I know of http://www.lifenetnj.org and these camps have to ask?

My point is why should the camps have to ask. Why aren't the pro-life groups gearing up to go out and pitch themselves to these camps? I know the pro-life groups do not have the resources that PP has. We help our own pregnancy help group as much as we can monetarily. But this is a way to use the skills of people in the group; some may not be comfortable picketing clinics or attending and speaking out at town Council meetings, but may be willing to help in a program like what is offered at the camps.

There may even been some Catholic high schools or colleges in the area at which these pro-life groups could recruit for help in the summer.

30 posted on 01/12/2003 2:16:00 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: mlmr
"You are such a bore... If you can't tell a personal attack from a comment on social policy perhaps you should find thicker skin..."

C'mon....You weren't talking about "social policy." You were talking about individual families who adopt, and attacking (AGAIN) those who choose to adopt abroad. As I've said before, I'm happy that you adopted the kids you did, but people like you look down at families like mine because we weren't all "made in the USA." I would think you'd be glad that some kids in horrible situations abroad have found a home and freedom in the US, but instead, you make snide comments about us for years on end.

I think that you should also be aware (before you continue on) that many of us feel that we've been led through prayer to adopt internationally. Who are you to argue with that? Do you think that only people who have done exactly what you have are led by God?!

As for the rest, call me all the names if you like, mlmr. I really don't care.

31 posted on 01/12/2003 2:57:24 PM PST by Artist
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To: SuziQ
They do plenty of outreach but the schools and camps have to say "yes".
32 posted on 01/12/2003 4:13:39 PM PST by Coleus (Hello Ball)
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To: Artist
We have been around this barn a half-dozen times. I have my opinion and you attack me. That is why you are a bore. I am not going to reiterate or defend myself again. It is my opinion. Get over it.
33 posted on 01/12/2003 9:30:29 PM PST by mlmr
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To: mlmr
"We have been around this barn a half-dozen times. I have my opinion and you attack me. That is why you are a bore. I am not going to reiterate or defend myself again. It is my opinion. Get over it."

Babe, I'm NEVER going to "get over" prejudice against my kids and my family.

You should be ashamed of yourself....but I suspect you're incapable of that.

34 posted on 01/12/2003 9:50:38 PM PST by Artist
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To: Artist
I have nothing to be ashamed of...I have an opinion. You have a different opinion and life experience.
35 posted on 01/12/2003 10:45:30 PM PST by mlmr
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To: mlmr
"I have nothing to be ashamed of...I have an opinion. You have a different opinion and life experience."

That's right, but while I respect your adoption of your children, you have belittled and insulted mine.

You have plenty of which to be ashamed.

36 posted on 01/13/2003 6:20:05 AM PST by Artist
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To: Artist
I haven't insulted you, I stated my opinion about social policies that are not (again, in my opinion) in the best interest of this country and its children. You own whether you are offended or not. Your reaction to other people's opinion is your responsiblity. People disagree.
37 posted on 01/13/2003 8:18:35 AM PST by mlmr
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To: mlmr
"I haven't insulted you."

We've been discussing this for years, mlmr. You know very well that you've insulted me and my family on various occasions.

You are disingenuous about that (and other things).

38 posted on 01/13/2003 8:33:53 AM PST by Artist
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To: waterstraat
Does this mean that you are thankful for these abortions?

Birth of Tha SYNDICATE, the philosophical heir to William Lloyd Garrison.
101 things that the Mozilla browser can do that Internet Explorer cannot.

39 posted on 01/13/2003 8:36:25 AM PST by rdb3 (Who am I to resist? Who are you to fail?)
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To: Artist
We disagree. You are tender at the area that we disagree.
40 posted on 01/13/2003 9:35:57 AM PST by mlmr
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To: mlmr
"We disagree. You are tender at the area that we disagree."

If this was just a matter of simple disagreement, you wouldn't be hearing from me. You disparage families that adopt internationally every chance you get on FR. I'm sick of it, and I'll show up everytime I see it to point out just what kind of person you are.

You've left all sorts of ammo lying about, so I have plenty to work with.

Be seeing you, mlmr.

41 posted on 01/13/2003 10:43:55 AM PST by Artist
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To: Artist
Ammo? this is ammo? What are you? Some kind of freak? You know my name ...and the work I do? So what? Are you threatening me personally?
42 posted on 01/13/2003 10:55:00 AM PST by mlmr
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To: waterstraat
Blacks vote democrat over 90% of the time. That is a lot of missing votes for democrats. If not for abortion, a lot of elections in the past decade would have went democrat if they had an extra 10 million democrat votes. For example: Florida would certainly have went for Gore in 2000 if abortion had been illegal in Florida.

You are one sick, sick puppy. Are you certain you wouldn't be more comfortable over at LibertyStormfront?

43 posted on 01/13/2003 10:56:55 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: mlmr
"Ammo? this is ammo? What are you? Some kind of freak? You know my name ...and the work I do? So what? Are you threatening me personally?"

Oh, I see you've gone from calling me a "bore" to a "freak." How nice.

The link merely proves how disingenuous you are. If you consider links to your own postings here on FR a "threat" then I guess that's your problem.

Posting endless "advice" columns by "Dear Mrs. Web" and acting like you weren't her is typical mlmr. The idea that some poor soul somewhere is actually asking you for advice is tragic. Miss Cleo has more credibility as far as I'm concerned.

BTW, I don't know your name, and I don't care to know it.

44 posted on 01/13/2003 3:08:36 PM PST by Artist
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To: Artist
Actually I was initially too shy and quite frankly fearful to expose Dear Mrs Web here... Many people were aware of my other role, and many Freepers have visited and written to Dear Mrs Web.

But over time many people encouraged me...I have been fortunate at the caliber and the kinds of people who have been so nice and helpful with my site. Freepmail and the internat are wonderful things. You have an issue with me that will never resolve. C'est le vie.
45 posted on 01/13/2003 6:01:14 PM PST by mlmr
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To: yoe
Couple of days late, but just got to this thread.
Excellent post.
46 posted on 01/13/2003 7:51:39 PM PST by visualops ("..we could give it all back to you, and hope you spend it right.." -Clinton on the surplus, 1-20-99)
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To: toenail
Republicans should run on the issue that abortion is racist. Why don't we be race-baiters for once?

Especially if it is the truth.

47 posted on 01/13/2003 8:07:10 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: waterstraat
Blacks vote democrat over 90% of the time. That is a lot of missing votes for democrats. If not for abortion, a lot of elections in the past decade would have went democrat if they had an extra 10 million democrat votes.

For example: Florida would certainly have went for Gore in 2000 if abortion had been illegal in Florida.


Yuck. You're talking about the death of babies in relation to potential political benefit.
48 posted on 01/14/2003 6:58:05 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Bella_Bru
You are one sick, sick puppy. Are you certain you wouldn't be more comfortable over at LibertyStormfront?

Perhaps YOU would be more confortable at Rosie's and hillary's sites? You and other pro-abortionists would be much more welcome on the liberal sites.

You will never make me to be for abortion>

My position on abortion is that it is a planned and intentioned taking of a human life. It is first degree murder. Period.

It does not matter the color of your eyes or anything else, or how much money you have. Murder is murder.

Any woman that has or had an abortion, any father that consented or helped, any doctor that performed it, any nurse that assisted, should be executed.

You can make all the excuses you want, can call those against abortion any names that you want, but it is YOU who is the one that is supporting murder.

49 posted on 01/15/2003 8:05:41 AM PST by waterstraat
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To: Arkinsaw
Yuck. You're talking about the death of babies in relation to potential political benefit.

I am talking about a lot of things that would be different if all those babies would have lived.

Sorry if that disappoints you so much. I feel sorry for you that you are so glad that those babies did not live.

If letting all those babies life sickens you, and dreaming about what might have been if they all were not murdered, then "Yuck" is what describes YOUR supporting the killing of all those babies.

50 posted on 01/15/2003 8:10:39 AM PST by waterstraat
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