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Drugs and terrorism and insulting ads
Boston Globe ^ | 1/13/2003 | Cathy Young

Posted on 01/14/2003 11:41:53 AM PST by MrLeRoy

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:08:57 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

IT WAS ONLY a matter of time: A new television ad campaign suggests that if you drive a sport -utility vehicle, you are helping terrorism by putting money in the pockets of oil-producing, terrorism-sponsoring countries like Saudi Arabia and Iraq. One of the commercials cuts from a man at a gas station to a map of the Middle East to video footage of a terrorist training camp, while a little girl's voice says, ''These are the terrorists who get money from those countries every time George fills up his SUV.''


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1 posted on 01/14/2003 11:41:53 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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2 posted on 01/14/2003 11:42:07 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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3 posted on 01/14/2003 11:47:37 AM PST by justshe (Become a MONTHLY DONOR--eliminate the need for Freeperthons!)
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4 posted on 01/14/2003 11:49:03 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: justshe
DARN you're quick in the draw...I do believe you're pulling ahead of me!

Nice fundraiser incentive, BTW!

5 posted on 01/14/2003 11:51:04 AM PST by cake_crumb (What would we do without Free Republic?)
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To: MrLeRoy
we all hope saddham is being maneuvered off the stage with millions of dollars in his pocket and at least two or three safe havens for him to rotate among the rest of his life. And that regime change is reasonable. I just let insults like Arrianna's roll off, so I didn't see why people got upset at it though.
6 posted on 01/14/2003 12:01:04 PM PST by Red Jones
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; headsonpikes; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; ...
WOD Ping
7 posted on 01/14/2003 12:07:38 PM PST by jmc813 (My tagline used to say "Go Jets!!!!", but I am now looking for a new one.)
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To: MrLeRoy
"Come to think of it, it's not that complicated."

Well, it's NOT!
8 posted on 01/14/2003 12:15:54 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: MrLeRoy
The Boston Globe? Drug Warriors are going to have a hard time of it when the LameStream media starts to turn on them! COOOOOOOOOOOLLLL!!!!!!!!
9 posted on 01/14/2003 12:23:34 PM PST by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
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To: MrLeRoy
''Fight terrorism - grow your own pot!''

Hmmmmmmmm....

10 posted on 01/14/2003 12:30:04 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: MrLeRoy
if you drive a sport -utility vehicle, you are helping terrorism by putting money in the pockets of oil-producing, terrorism-sponsoring countries

And if you donate to FR you are helping promote drug use because of articles such you post. You are one dangerous person and so are all the FR contributors. ;^)

11 posted on 01/14/2003 12:31:48 PM PST by RJCogburn (Yes, it's bold talk.......)
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To: Wolfie
''Fight terrorism - grow your own pot!''

I've advocated that for years. It fights smuggling and organized crime, too.

12 posted on 01/14/2003 12:39:31 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Britton J Wingfield
On the other hand, I'd rather be caught for possession ($100 fine) than manufacture (felony charge).
13 posted on 01/14/2003 12:42:01 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
True, but it's an entirely seperate issue. One is a great argument against the other. Legal domestic production would mean zero profit for thugs around the globe.
14 posted on 01/14/2003 12:50:11 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: MrLeRoy
George fills up his SUV.''

Funny that it is "George" filling up his SUV.

15 posted on 01/14/2003 12:52:51 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Britton J Wingfield
And America would have a comparitive advantage in producing hemp( good soil and all). Maybe we could get the trade deficit wackos to calm down.
16 posted on 01/14/2003 1:12:56 PM PST by weikel
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To: Wolfie
"I'd rather be caught for possession ($100 fine) than manufacture (felony charge)."

C'mon, Wolfie, it's for a good cause. Plus, I'll bet you can acess FR from prison, so you won't miss much.

17 posted on 01/14/2003 3:00:23 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: RJCogburn; MrLeRoy
I wonder if we can donate to FR and designate that none of the money be used to support MrLeRoy's posts. Could triple the contributions.
18 posted on 01/14/2003 3:08:06 PM PST by robertpaulsen (he said in jest)
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To: robertpaulsen
You're a real card---and you need to be dealt with.
19 posted on 01/14/2003 3:11:08 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: jmc813
A fitting return to a ludicrous action. The creators of that original ad get what they deserve...ridicule!
20 posted on 01/14/2003 4:25:00 PM PST by philman_36
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To: MrLeRoy
Watch the ridiculous - "you smoked a joint therefore you are responsible for the WTC attacks" - ads here:

http://www.mediacampaign.org/mg/index.html

21 posted on 01/14/2003 6:29:03 PM PST by gd124
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To: gd124
http://www.mediacampaign.org/mg/index.html
22 posted on 01/14/2003 6:29:43 PM PST by gd124
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To: robertpaulsen; MrLeRoy
I wonder if we can donate to FR and designate that none of the money be used to support MrLeRoy's posts. Could triple the contributions.

I will second that. Drug advocates like LeRoy try to imply that drugs other than alchohol and tobacco are not harmful (evidence: note how he _only_ refers to alcohol and tobacco as "deadly and addictive").

Since LeRoy will call me a liar, people only need search his posts in the forum.

23 posted on 01/14/2003 6:39:31 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: Hacksaw; MrLeRoy
Drug advocates like LeRoy try to imply that drugs other than alchohol and tobacco are not harmful (evidence: note how he _only_ refers to alcohol and tobacco as "deadly and addictive").
While MrLeRoy can speak for himself, I'd like to speak for myself and refute your supposition.
You say "drug advocates" as if the man were saying "go out and toke/shoot/snort up". I don't read where he supports that, nor do I. I believe that drug use is an individual's decision, not subject to the State or Federal government's dictates. If that were so then anyone could be forced to take or not take whatever "the government" dictated. Welcome to "A Brave New World" and Soma distribution.
Got high blood pressure? You can't take that medicine "'cause we say you can't". Only "government approved" medicines/treatments are allowed.
As far as the "deadly and addictive" aspect, it is proven that some drugs are physically addicting and that others are psychologically addicting. Some drugs are deadly and others aren't. Marijuana isn't "deadly", but it is psychologically, not physically, addicting and can be used or abused like any other drug. Alcohol and nicotine are physically addicting and can be "deadly", depending on many factors. Cocaine and some other "illegal" drugs that are abused can be deadly also, yet "legal" drugs can also be deadly. It goes by the individual. A heart defect could be deadly with the first time use of cocaine by someone. In the same note a penicillin shot or an anesthesia could cause someone to die.
Some lifelong smokers of tobacco never develop terminal illnesses from smoking and alcohol users, not abusers, rarely suffer deadly affects from that use either. A chronic abuser of alcohol will most certainly get physical complications after years of abuse.
There is so much more I could say, but why bother...(see the tag line)

As typical with many pro-WODdies, you paint with a wide brush when you should be doing detail work with a one hair brush.

24 posted on 01/14/2003 7:05:43 PM PST by philman_36 (Forget Frodo..."Reefer Madness" lives)
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To: Hacksaw
You've nothing to say in response?
25 posted on 01/14/2003 7:40:40 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Hacksaw
Since LeRoy will call me a liar, people only need search his posts in the forum.
Nah, you aren't a liar. Shill or agenda pusher comes to mind...maybe even ignorant or naivE (don't drink the bottled water Evian)...but a liar, naaaah?
You won't even comment on my reply. How sad.
26 posted on 01/14/2003 9:18:40 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Hacksaw; robertpaulsen
Drug advocates like LeRoy

STILL telling this lie? You are scum.

try to imply that drugs other than alchohol and tobacco are not harmful

Liar.

(evidence: note how he _only_ refers to alcohol and tobacco as "deadly and addictive").

To say that alcohol and tobacco are deadly and addictive is NOT to say nor imply that nothing else is deadly and addictive---any more than to refer to, say, "our courageous Founders" is to say or imply that nobody else is/was courageous.

Since LeRoy will call me a liar, people only need search his posts in the forum.

Anyone who searches will find I am not a drug advocate, and that Hacksaw is a liar.

27 posted on 01/15/2003 6:16:21 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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[philman_36 to Hacksaw:] Nah, you aren't a liar.

Yes he is; I have repeatedly pointed out to him that I am not a drug advocate and have rebutted his every argument for that claim, but he continues to make that claim. When one persists in a frequently-rebutted falsehood, one is a liar.

28 posted on 01/15/2003 6:26:56 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: weikel
Also, there are numerous uses for hemp so we can rely less on imports.
29 posted on 01/15/2003 7:43:04 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: MrLeRoy
Yes he is; I have repeatedly pointed out to him that I am not a drug advocate and have rebutted his every argument for that claim, but he continues to make that claim. When one persists in a frequently-rebutted falsehood, one is a liar.

You are a drug advocate, your posts are evidence of it. Live with it.

30 posted on 01/15/2003 9:43:10 AM PST by Hacksaw
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To: Hacksaw
You are a drug advocate

You are a filthy liar.

, your posts are evidence of it.

More lies; show us a single post where I advocate drugs.

31 posted on 01/15/2003 9:45:52 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
More lies; show us a single post where I advocate drugs.

Simply do a search on your own posts to show your own drug advocacy. You are another LP parasite. BTW, why do you only post during business hours? Slow work day?

32 posted on 01/15/2003 9:56:37 AM PST by Hacksaw
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Hacksaw, MrLeRoy is one of those on this board who profess, "I don't do X, I don't advocate anyone else doing X, but I think X should be legal". I know, I know, sounds hypocritical doesn't it? But watch this:

You out there, MrLeRoy? Got a question for you.

I know that you wouldn't rip the heads off cute little kittens, and you certainly wouldn't advocate others doing that, but do you think it should be legal? (here's a MrLeRoyism) If not, why not?

33 posted on 01/15/2003 10:01:59 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Hacksaw
More lies; show us a single post where I advocate drugs.

Simply do a search on your own posts

I have---they prove you're a stinking liar.

You are another LP parasite.

Another lie; I am not nor ever have been a member or candidate of the LP.

BTW, why do you only post during business hours? Slow work day?

Rebutting your lies and drivel takes no time at all.

34 posted on 01/15/2003 10:02:14 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
Then you are dishonest with yourself. You are a drug advocate. - And you waste your employers money with your drug posts on their time. I am laid off, at least I have an excuse.
35 posted on 01/15/2003 10:06:10 AM PST by Hacksaw
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To: robertpaulsen
"I don't do X, I don't advocate anyone else doing X, but I think X should be legal". I know, I know, sounds hypocritical doesn't it?

Not at all. I don't use alcohol or tobacco, I don't advocate anyone else using alcohol or tobacco, but I think alcohol and tobacco should be legal---is that hypocritical?

I know that you wouldn't rip the heads off cute little kittens, and you certainly wouldn't advocate others doing that, but do you think it should be legal?

Yes.

36 posted on 01/15/2003 10:06:18 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
The trend toward insulting ads started loooonnnnnggggg before these recent SUV spots.

The first ad I ever saw which I found offensive was over 13 years ago:  it was a Nike ad with a woman athlete running around saying the typical stupid stuff like 'You have to follow your feet' and 'You have to be dedicated and believe' and all that other idiotic tripe that Nike commercials always spew.

But, the last thing she said in the ad was "And it would help if you stopped eating like a pig."  Now, I'm not fat, and given my body type I never will be but the couple times I saw that ad my immediate reaction was "F$#k You."

And ever since then, I've refused to buy Nike products.

Now we have offensive ads which paint certain types of people as evil.  Ads that criticize...ads that purposefully annoy...and ads where the vivisection of human body parts is openly shown during prime time.

And I've got news for everyone: it's only going to get worse as the tenor of public discourse becomes more and more tolerate of this type of behavior.  

Soon groups like PETA will be showing ads of slaughter-house hot dog lines and anti-abortion groups will be showing fetuses in garbage cans during 'Friends'.

The US is losing it's long-cherished ability to disagree civilly.

37 posted on 01/15/2003 10:09:09 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: MrLeRoy
My bad, I should rephrase:

"I don't do X, I don't advocate anyone else doing X, but I don't think X should be illegal".

38 posted on 01/15/2003 10:12:10 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Hacksaw
Then you are dishonest with yourself. You are a drug advocate.

No, but you are a scummy liar.

And you waste your employers money with your drug posts on their time.

My posts are within long-established company guidelines.

I am laid off

The least competent are the first to go.

39 posted on 01/15/2003 10:13:22 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Hacksaw
You are a drug advocate, your posts are evidence of it.

Cite the posts specifically and post the proof or withdraw. The burden of proof is on the accuser.

Otherwise, you are a liar. Live with it.

40 posted on 01/15/2003 10:13:59 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Well, you certainly can't refer to morality anymore(who are you to judge me?). That leaves us with evil, cruel, callousness/disregard, mean-spiritedness, Nazi-like, etc.

If you disagree civilly, you are not to be taken seriously. Where's your passion?

41 posted on 01/15/2003 10:25:05 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Hacksaw
I will second that. Drug advocates like LeRoy try to imply that drugs other than alchohol and tobacco are not harmful (evidence: note how he _only_ refers to alcohol and tobacco as "deadly and addictive").

By this "logic", anyone who repeatedly refers to Clowntoon and Shrillary as "crooks" is denying that any other person in all of human history was a crook.

42 posted on 01/15/2003 10:29:48 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I re-read my post and it comes across the opposite of what I meant to say. I agree with your post. Removing morality as an argument forces issue advocates to go to extremes to make their case.
43 posted on 01/15/2003 10:32:44 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Hacksaw
I am laid off

If your former job required the ability to reason and argue logically, this was bound to happen sooner or later.

44 posted on 01/15/2003 10:34:54 AM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b; Hacksaw
By this "logic", anyone who repeatedly refers to Clowntoon and Shrillary as "crooks" is denying that any other person in all of human history was a crook.

If logic was gasoline, Jackdaw (like most Drug Warriors) wouldn't have enough to drive a piss-ant's go-kart around the inside of a Cheerio.

45 posted on 01/15/2003 10:35:34 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
I know that you wouldn't rip the heads off cute little kittens, and you certainly wouldn't advocate others doing that, but do you think it should be legal?

Yes.


Leroy, call me a PETA wacko, but you and I are in 100% disagreement here. Do you not support any animal cruelty laws?
46 posted on 01/15/2003 10:36:43 AM PST by jmc813 (My tagline used to say "Go Jets!!!!", but I am now looking for a new one.)
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To: jmc813
Do you not support any animal cruelty laws?

As loathsome a practice as animal torture is, I don't see any sustainable basis for granting animals rights, nor for making illegal any act that violates no rights. (If I knew an animal torturer lived in my community, I'd be more than happy to spearhead a campaign of organized condemnation and ostracism.)

47 posted on 01/15/2003 10:41:52 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: steve-b
If your former job required the ability to reason and argue logically, this was bound to happen sooner or later.

Nope - my division was sold to a Scotland bank who has all their programmers in RI. And I still work for a living. Not like people who abuse their employers to spew propoganda.

48 posted on 01/15/2003 10:44:06 AM PST by Hacksaw
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To: Hacksaw
Are you going to post the proof of your allegations against another freeper or withdraw your charges?
49 posted on 01/15/2003 10:53:20 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: MrLeRoy
I knew I should've added that /sarcasm...
50 posted on 01/15/2003 12:09:34 PM PST by philman_36
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