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Cannabis issue rehashed
The Battalion ^ | January 13, 2003 | George Deutsch

Posted on 01/15/2003 7:24:33 AM PST by MrLeRoy

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To: robertpaulsen
If the teens were drinking and ran over the 5-year-old on a bike, how successful would they be arguing that "alcohol had nothing to do with it"?

I don't care "how successful" you think they would be. In the scenario shown in the completely idiotic commercial, the girl was at fault, plain and simple.

It amazes me this mentality that alcohol or pot removes any and all ability to avoid a wreck, and if one occurs while the driver was "high" or had been drinking, then the smoke or drink was automatically at fault. It totally ignores the thousands of wrecks that are caused by completely sober people, and the thousands of times an "intoxicated" person drives fine.

61 posted on 01/15/2003 12:04:50 PM PST by FreeTally (If it is true that we are here to help others, then what exactly are the others here for?)
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To: MrLeRoy
"...this proves that cigarettes cause mental illness."

I'll say; I know I go crazy when I'm close to running out of my Player's Special Blends. ;^)
62 posted on 01/15/2003 12:17:46 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: mitchbert
In reality these are nothing but adaptations of scenes from "Reefer Madness."
I agree. See my tag line.
63 posted on 01/15/2003 12:22:16 PM PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36
I agree. See my tag line.

Not to mention a very good post to go along with it. Thanks!

64 posted on 01/15/2003 12:26:26 PM PST by mitchbert (Facts are stubborn things)
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To: MrLeRoy; All
TI: Cannabinoids, hippocampal function and memory. The role of delta-9-THC and cannabinoid receptors in hippocampus in short-term memory interference

AB: Discusses how the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, Delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), interferes with short-term memory in both delayed match and delayed nonmatch to sample tasks (DNMS). Animal studies have shown that other cannabinoids, such as the potent cannabinoid receptor (CB1) agonist, WIN 55,212-2 produces a delay-dependent deficit in the DNMS task at a dose range well below that of Delta-sup-9-THC, which was blocked by the CB1 receptor antagonist SR141716A. The effects of WIN 55,212-2 at low doses were similar to those of isolated lesions of the hippocampus, whereas high doses (0.50 mg/kg) produced effects similar to lesions of both hippocampus and surrounding retrohippocampal areas. The low dose effect was delay-dependent while the high dose introduced an additional deficit at short delays that was sensitive to SR141716A and phaclofen. Comparison of lesion vs cannabinoid effects on DNMS performance suggests that CB1 receptors on hippocampal neurons interfere with the processing of DNMS task-specific information within a trial. CB1 receptors on hippocampal gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA)ergic interneurons and in retrohippocampal areas appear to influence the ability to maintain segregation of information between trials in the task.

(PsycINFO Database

Record (c) 2000 APA, all rights reserved)

AU: Hampson,-Robert-E; Deadwyler,-Sam-A

AF: Wake Forest U, School of Medicine, Dept of Physiology and Pharmacology, Winston-Salem, NC, US

SO: Life-Sciences. 1999 Jul; Vol 65(6-7): 715-723.

JN: Life-Sciences;

PB: US: Elsevier Science, Inc.

IS: 0024-3205

PY: 1999

URLP: www.elsevier.com

LA: English

KP: role of delta-9-THC and cannabinoid receptors in hippocampus in short-term memory interference MJ: *Cannabinoids-; *Hippocampus-; *Neural-Receptors; *Short-Term-Memory; * Tetrahydrocannabinol- MN: Cognitive-Ability; Neurobiology- CC: 2580-Psychopharmacology; 2580; 25 SF: References UD: 19991101

65 posted on 01/15/2003 12:34:23 PM PST by UKCajun
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To: vin-one
Someone gave a link once that let you watch it on the net.
This site doesn't seem to work for me. Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe you'll have better luck.
66 posted on 01/15/2003 12:38:28 PM PST by philman_36
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To: UKCajun
"short-term memory interference"

You should write a paper on "The role of anti-drug mania in short-term memory interference"---the subject we were talking about was depression and schizophrenia.

67 posted on 01/15/2003 12:39:37 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
Perhaps most intriguing is the spot in which two teens, a male and a female, smoke marijuana at a party. After smoking a few bowls of weed from a pipe, the female begins to look comatose, and her male companion proceeds to rape her in front of all the people at the party.

They apparently got weed confused with alchohol...the original date-rape drug.

68 posted on 01/15/2003 12:42:27 PM PST by copycat (Arbeit macht frei.)
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To: mitchbert
Not to mention a very good post to go along with it. Thanks!
No thanks needed. I thank you for the kind comment. I could've written so much more, but as I said why bother?
69 posted on 01/15/2003 12:48:11 PM PST by philman_36
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To: MrLeRoy; All
Excerpt Article of Interview with Research Scientist to Rebut MrLeroy

George Patton: Yes, well that’s the other question that we looked at, and we looked at the extent to which teenage depression predicted frequent cannabis use later on, and what we found is that there was really no relationship there. So cannabis use predicted depression, but depression did not predict frequent daily or even weekly cannabis use.

Norman Swan: What’s the message for young boys in this?

George Patton: It wasn’t that young boys escaped without other problems, and here the link with other mental disorders, particularly psychotic disorders, that link is one that appears to not be gender specific, it’s true for males as well as females.

Norman Swan: So this is the debate which we covered on The Health Report about whether cannabis either brings on a psychotic attack, or in fact causes it in the first place.

George Patton: Well I think that’s right, and all the evidence appears to be pointing in one direction, that cannabis use does cause not only a worse course of schizophrenia but also it does cause higher rates of schizophrenia and the two other papers that appeared in the BMJ were very different studies, both suggesting the same thing. So I think there is the question that the risks are schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders. I think there’s also an important message about the risks for dependence, and in our group we found very high rates of symptoms of dependence, cannabis use, these are symptoms such as withdrawal symptoms, craving for the drug, increased tolerance to cannabis, seeking the drug out, in preference to other social activities, these symptoms were very, very common in daily users, and I think that’s a real problem because I think dependence, whatever the drug, is likely to predict continued use and continued heavy use.

70 posted on 01/15/2003 1:00:33 PM PST by UKCajun
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To: UKCajun
...all the evidence appears to be pointing in one direction...
...both suggesting...

Got anything stronger than "appears" and "suggesting" like does or are? You know, something showing some real affirmation.
71 posted on 01/15/2003 1:17:32 PM PST by philman_36
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To: UKCajun
Well I think that’s right...
So I think there is the question...
I think there’s also an important message...
...and I think that’s a real problem because I think dependence...

WOW! He sure thinks a lot. He may not know, but he's thinking about knowing.
72 posted on 01/15/2003 1:21:30 PM PST by philman_36
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To: UKCajun
(it's called "an opinion" and everyone knows about opinions...everyone's got one)
73 posted on 01/15/2003 1:23:21 PM PST by philman_36
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To: UKCajun
Excerpt Article of Interview with Research Scientist to Rebut MrLeroy

"So cannabis use predicted depression, but depression did not predict frequent daily or even weekly cannabis use."

I didn't mention depression specifically as a predictor; I said, "[The results] can equally well be explained by the theory that the later psychiatric problems are already manifesting themselves in these teens and increasing their propensity to seek out marijuana," i.e., later depression may manifest itself as an earlier psychological condition other than depression. To Patton's credit, he's done some thinking about the causality issue---but he hasn't nearly put it to rest.

74 posted on 01/15/2003 1:33:43 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: philman_36
"(it's called "an opinion" and everyone knows about opinions...everyone's got one)"

Published in the British Medical Journal...

Not all opinions are equal! :)

75 posted on 01/15/2003 1:36:02 PM PST by UKCajun
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To: UKCajun
George Patton: We know that frequent cannabis users tend to mix with a different peer group; they also encounter a lot more in the way of hazards, they tend to drop out of education a lot more, maybe more involved in crime, and it may be that some of their social problems that go with cannabis use are in fact the cause of the association, and we’re not able to disentangle that.

Norman Swan: So maybe the flak around cannabis rather than cannabis itself?

George Patton: Well that’s possible.
76 posted on 01/15/2003 1:37:23 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
Point taken.

"...later psychiatric problems are already manifesting themselves ..."

Depressison is a psychiatric problem.

I might add, it's also a societal problem (e.g., effexor and other anti-depressant prescription medications).

77 posted on 01/15/2003 1:42:10 PM PST by UKCajun
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To: UKCajun
Depressison is a psychiatric problem.

But not the only one, so it remains possible that some earlier condition leads to both later depression and later marijuana use.

78 posted on 01/15/2003 1:44:18 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: UKCajun
George Patton: "it’s social factors, very largely, that are associated and predict experimentation with cannabis and with tobacco and with heavy drinking. These are factors like one’s sense of connection to family of the young person, one’s sense of connection to school; those kinds of indicators of the extent to which one has good relationships with important adults, and is connected with important tasks during the teens are the factors that appear to be most predictive of early experimentation with any substance."

These social factors that cause the substance use may also cause the depression; so it remains unproven that cannabis use causes depression.
79 posted on 01/15/2003 1:47:09 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: UKCajun
Published in the British Medical Journal...
Big screaming whoop-te-do!
Not all opinions are equal!
Four legs good, two legs better.
80 posted on 01/15/2003 1:48:31 PM PST by philman_36
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