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City may curb gun club operations
The Tacoma News Tribune ^ | January 15, 2003 | Kris Sherman

Posted on 01/15/2003 9:54:20 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

If Gig Harbor enacts legislation to regulate the operation of a 52-year-old gun club in the city, the issue surely will wind up in court, said Dan Koch, past president of the Gig Harbor Sportsman's Club.

"I get kind of nervous when I see an ordinance that's going to put a shooting club out of business," gun club member David Gordon told City Council members Monday night, pointing out that there already are laws "against dropping rounds on your neighbors."

But residents of the neighboring Avalon Woods housing tract think it's time the city policed the facility at 9721 Burnham Drive to cut down on noise and the possibility of a grievous accident.

About 600 members use the range for rifle and pistol shooting, as well as shotgun trap shooting, Koch said.

The issue flared in the summer of 2001 after a 12-gauge shotgun slug whizzed past the head of Avalon Woods resident Jim Good and slammed into his house while he was out watering his plants.

Good wasn't injured, but the incident was a sort of call to arms for Avalon Woods residents, long simmering over the noise coming from the abutting gun club.

A lengthy investigation by Gig Harbor police and State Patrol investigators failed to determine the slug's origin.

After months of meetings with gun club and citizen representatives, the Gig Harbor City Council is on the verge of enacting an ordinance to regulate operations at the range.

The gun club, which lay for years in unincorporated Pierce County until it was annexed to the city in 1997, never has been regulated by any authority other than state law, members say.

Following some changes approved by the council Monday night, the ordinance now under consideration would restrict gun club hours to 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays and 8 a.m. to 9 p.m. Tuesdays and Thursdays. It also would have the gun club closed on Saturdays and open from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. on Sundays, with the exception of a few special shooting weekends each year.

"They haven't taken it upon themselves to do anything about the noise. The hours of operation does," Avalon Woods resident Mark Schaefer told the council.

Council members will continue to study the proposal between now and Jan. 27, when the issue will come back to them for more discussion. It likely won't receive a final vote for several weeks.

Kris Sherman: 253-597-8659 kris.sherman@mail.tribnet.com


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The onslaught against shooting ranges continues.
1 posted on 01/15/2003 9:54:20 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: big ern; bang_list
bang
2 posted on 01/15/2003 9:55:20 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: CyberCowboy777
Do your ping thing please
3 posted on 01/15/2003 9:56:38 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: big ern
The range has been there for 52 years. Who wants to bet the nearby "residents" are recently arrived yuppie-scum. Like morons who move next door to an airport then compalin about the noise....
4 posted on 01/15/2003 9:57:35 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Another disturbed youth makes good!)
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To: big ern
12 gauge shotgun slug? Something doesn't sound right.
5 posted on 01/15/2003 10:06:09 AM PST by Thoro
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To: Tijeras_Slim
You are correct. The folks moved in because the land was cheap and then they started bitching about the noise.

I'd like to slap the numn$ts that fired a slug on the skeet range that got this ball rolling. A range that would be closed on Saturday?!
6 posted on 01/15/2003 10:07:46 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: Tijeras_Slim
The range has been there for 52 years. Who wants to bet the nearby "residents" are recently arrived yuppie-scum. Like morons who move next door to an airport then compalin about the noise....

Or the yuppies who move out into the country and then sue to make their neighbor stop using his tractor early in the morning...

7 posted on 01/15/2003 10:08:46 AM PST by Kenton
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To: Kenton
Heck! They also complain that livestock smells, well....like livestock.
8 posted on 01/15/2003 10:09:53 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Another disturbed youth makes good!)
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To: big ern
A lengthy investigation by Gig Harbor police and State Patrol investigators failed to determine the slug's origin. ... Avalon Woods resident Jim Good and slammed into his house while he was out watering his plants.... Good wasn't injured, but the incident was a sort of call to arms for Avalon Woods residents, long simmering over the noise coming from the abutting gun club.

My guess in that Jim Good or one of his liberal buddies is the origin of the slug.

9 posted on 01/15/2003 10:11:01 AM PST by from occupied ga
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To: big ern
Restricting hours of operation of an inherently noisy business is not unreasonable. The club should have instituted some such policy long ago just to be good neighbors.
10 posted on 01/15/2003 10:12:48 AM PST by Restorer
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To: big ern
But residents of the neighboring Avalon Woods housing tract think it's time the city policed the facility at 9721 Burnham Drive to cut down on noise and the possibility of a grievous accident.

They should also issue everyone government provided Depends to prevent " the possibility of a grievous accident".

11 posted on 01/15/2003 10:16:26 AM PST by AUgrad
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To: from occupied ga
Greetings fog:
My guess in that Jim Good or one of his liberal buddies is the origin of the slug
My thoughts too.
12 posted on 01/15/2003 10:17:02 AM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (Illinois held hostage: Day 2. From the People's Socialist Democrat Republic of Illinois.)
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To: troutmaster
Have you used this one?
13 posted on 01/15/2003 10:17:12 AM PST by Dust in the Wind
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To: big ern; 007Dawg; 11B3; 123easy; 1911A1; 7mmMag@LeftCoast; A44MAGNUT; Acrobat; Adam-ondi-Ahman; ...
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Less those who opted out
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14 posted on 01/15/2003 10:17:53 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (Extremism in the Pursuit of Liberty is no Vice!)
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To: big ern
Gig Harbor is within smelling distance to "Osama Mama' Murry's district. If Washingtonians keep electing nuts to public office, they're going to have to put up with more of this.
15 posted on 01/15/2003 10:26:25 AM PST by caisson71
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To: from occupied ga
That's possible.
16 posted on 01/15/2003 10:29:58 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: big ern
Makes me all the happier that I can go out into the sand dunes and make a range anywhere I please.
17 posted on 01/15/2003 10:51:02 AM PST by gundog
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To: Tijeras_Slim
The range has been there for 52 years. Who wants to bet the nearby "residents" are recently arrived yuppie-scum. Like morons who move next door to an airport then compalin about the noise....

Houston's best parrot store (Adventures in Birds) is located in an otherwise "residential" area that is unzoned and has no deed restrictions against businesses. The lots are large and wooded, so the houses aren't right up against each other.

The store also has a "breeding farm" on premises. Needless to say, a few hundred parrots in outdoor cages make considerable noise, at least while the sun's up.

The owner, a very nice lady, has been in a running feud with one of her neighbors for a few years over the noise. The neighbor moved in LONG AFTER the parrot farm was up and running, and *knew* what they were moving next to...

18 posted on 01/15/2003 11:00:34 AM PST by Dan Day
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To: from occupied ga
My guess in that Jim Good or one of his liberal buddies is the origin of the slug.

Possible, but the range *does* have skeet-shooting, and it's not unreasonable to think that some skeet shooter at the range accidentally got a slug round mixed in among his skeet loads, or had one left in the chamber/magazine that he had forgotten about.

19 posted on 01/15/2003 11:05:47 AM PST by Dan Day
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To: big ern
who says he did?
the slug could be a PLANT by an enviral whacko type.

they do things like that, to get their way up here in the northwest.

remember the wild fox hairs they planted in (Idaho?) to get the area listed for endangered species?

I doubt any shotgun fired a SLUG that distance, don't you?
It sounds like a ploy to shut down the gun range, incrementally whilst the NEW homeowners figure out other ways to cause the club trouble.

I suspect a plant by the homeowners... to get the ball rolling their way. Next we will hear about the dangers of lead, seeping into the aquafer... and polluting the water with deadly lead...
20 posted on 01/15/2003 11:05:56 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (clintonsgotusbytheballs?)
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To: big ern
BTTT
21 posted on 01/15/2003 11:10:55 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Tag Line Service Center: FREE Tag Line with Every Monthly Donation to FR. Get Yours. Inquire Within)
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To: big ern
"I get kind of nervous when I see an ordinance that's going to put a shooting club out of business," gun club member David Gordon told City Council members Monday night, pointing out that there already are laws "against dropping rounds on your neighbors."

They are trying the same crap up here in McKinney Texas with the Collin County Gun Range. The city annexed the land (without consent) and now wants to shut them down

The city passed ordinances trying to shut them down because people around them with million dollar homes started to complain.

The city did two things that are idiotic in my mind.
1) They cited that homeowners were complaining. FACT: No houses within 3 miles of the range.
2) Then they stated that the noise was bothering people. FACT: The highway (380) puts out more noise pollution than the gun range (measured with micorphones).

City governments are wielding too much power with no respect for anyone's property rights.

22 posted on 01/15/2003 11:15:40 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Darth Crackerhead)
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To: dd5339
ping
23 posted on 01/15/2003 11:41:24 AM PST by Vic3O3
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To: big ern
"All we want to do is regulate your hours of operation. Honest."
24 posted on 01/15/2003 11:43:08 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Dan Day
I based my speculation on pure probability.

The slug missed Good, but hit his house. Hmmm. There is a long standing dispute with the new homowners wanting to close the range down. Double hmmm. Gun control advocates always lie. Triple hmmm. Most skeet shooters I know never buy slugs because they never shoot them at anything. Some are seriously into reloading because their sport burns up a lot of rounds, but just with shot. Quadruple hmmm.

25 posted on 01/15/2003 11:45:57 AM PST by from occupied ga
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To: Thoro
12 gauge shotgun slug?

That club has some of the best skeet shooters in the world. They shoot with slugs.

Like another poster, I smell "set up". It happened in my city. Some dolt shot up his own house and went complaing to the County government about the local range.

26 posted on 01/15/2003 11:54:34 AM PST by oyez (Ammo first.)
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To: big ern
...possibility of a grievous accident.

"If we can just eliminate every possibility of a grievous accident, then one day we'll be safe enough to live forever."

27 posted on 01/15/2003 11:55:44 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Dan Day
An addendum to the above. Most of the skeet shooters I know would shoot you if you fired a slug through their precious skeet guns.
28 posted on 01/15/2003 11:56:56 AM PST by from occupied ga
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To: Restorer; Ramius
I agree with you... restricting the hours of operation to close in the evening is not unreasonable, and two nights per week are still available for evening shooting until 9:00. The closure on Saturdays is the tougher pill to swallow than not firing late at night. I would fight for Saturday if I were a member.

Ramius.... Gig Harbor Gun Club ping!
29 posted on 01/15/2003 1:23:25 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Who wants to bet the nearby "residents" are recently arrived yuppie-scum.

Most likely. Gig Harbor, for those who don't know where it is, is a suburb of Tacoma, most recently of John Muhammad fame. All kinds of people move in there, and try to Californicate it. Just glad I'm about an hour and a half away from the place!

30 posted on 01/15/2003 7:27:44 PM PST by hunter112 (No health insurance at all right now, I can't afford it!)
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To: big ern; Ramius
So let me get this straight; 1. there is a gun club, 2. afterwards people buy homes next to it, 3. then they complain about the noise etc. 4. regulations are put in place to curb the original club. Does this seem wrong to anyone besides me?
I have actually lived down the mountain from a firing range. Yes, it is a bit loud early Sat/Sun morning, but again, guess who was there first? Another strange part of this article is that Saturday the club is shut, but Sunday is OK.
31 posted on 01/15/2003 7:51:08 PM PST by Libertina
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To: hunter112
"All kinds of people move in there, and try to Californicate it. Just glad I'm about an hour and a half away from the place!"

Well, Gig Harbor "is" over-infested with left-wingers and eco-freaks (though there are Freepers there too)--which is why I chose to settle on Fox Island--too much "nanny-ism" in the G.H. city government (including the mayor -- "Granny Jack-boots"). The best thing that could happen to the "across the Sound" section of Pierce County is for it to secede from Pierce and attach itself to Kitsap County.

32 posted on 01/17/2003 5:18:24 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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