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Retired Cop Waves White Flag in War on Drugs
The Standard-Times (MA) ^ | 15 Jan 2003 | John Doherty

Posted on 01/16/2003 7:43:37 AM PST by MrLeRoy

After fighting the war on drugs for nearly 30 years, Lt. Jack Cole is ready to admit defeat.

The retired New Jersey State Police detective -- who spent 12 years as an undercover narcotics officer -- spearheads a movement to legalize all narcotics as a way of ending the bloody, expensive war.

"The war on drugs was, is and always will be a dismal failure," said Mr. Cole yesterday to a meeting of the Fairhaven Rotary Club.

Mr. Cole is one of the founders of an international nonprofit group called Law Enforcement Against Prohibition -- LEAP.

That group, which includes current and former police officers, judges and others, is proposing nothing short of legalizing all narcotics -- including heroin, cocaine and marijuana -- and having the federal government regulate them.

While that might sound radical for a detective who spent the better part of his career looking to jail both users and sellers of drugs, Mr. Cole said it is the only rational viewpoint after a career on the front lines of the war on drugs.

While spending what Mr. Cole estimates to be $69 billion per year in law enforcement and prison costs for drug offenders, Americans have seen drug supplies become more plentiful and the drugs themselves more powerful and cheaper.

Mr. Cole acknowledged to the dozen Rotarians yesterday that the idea of legalizing narcotics -- similar to policies in Amsterdam -- sounds foreign.

The first question many people ask is whether drug decriminalization will increase drug use, especially among the young.

Mr. Cole pointed to studies in which young Americans said it was easier to obtain marijuana and other drugs than it was to purchase government-regulated alcohol and tobacco products.

Holland sees a lower rate of marijuana use among its young people, in part because decriminalization has made the drug boring, Mr. Cole said.

"We at LEAP are asking you to listen and to think about these ideas," said Mr. Cole, who is pursuing a doctorate in public policy at UMass Boston.


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1 posted on 01/16/2003 7:43:37 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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2 posted on 01/16/2003 7:43:52 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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3 posted on 01/16/2003 7:44:41 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: MrLeRoy
I'm sure Kevin Curry will be coming along soon to slime Lt. Cole. Now if the Lieutennant had shot a dog, then Kevin would be all for him...
4 posted on 01/16/2003 7:45:45 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: MrLeRoy
I have know more than one cop who has become cynical about the WOD after coming to the realization that it is nothing more than a hustle perpetrated on the American public.
5 posted on 01/16/2003 7:49:51 AM PST by Kerberos
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To: MrLeRoy
It is far from happening. Too many judges and politicians and bureauracrats on the take.
6 posted on 01/16/2003 7:53:31 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants ( Civilized debate can only exist when all parties involved are civilized.)
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To: MrLeRoy
30 years, and already he's come to his senses. Quick thinker.
7 posted on 01/16/2003 7:54:23 AM PST by per loin
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To: MrLeRoy
30 years, and already he's come to his senses. Quick thinker.
8 posted on 01/16/2003 7:54:32 AM PST by per loin
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To: Kerberos
I have know more than one cop who has become cynical about the WOD after coming to the realization that it is nothing more than a hustle perpetrated on the American public.

I have known more than one DEA agent who has become cynical about the WOD after coming to the realization that it is nothing more than a hustle perpetrated on the American public.

To support the current WoD, one must also support militarily trained US federal agents actively engaged in paramilitary operations in (at least) Central and South America.

9 posted on 01/16/2003 7:57:36 AM PST by Eagle Eye (And mj was once legal while beer was illegal)
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To: per loin
Did you think he would say something while drawing a check?

Get real.
10 posted on 01/16/2003 7:58:02 AM PST by kinghorse
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To: MrLeRoy
Yeah, I understand theft continues even though cops try to catch thieves. Same with murder. Well, rape, fraud, violence and kidnapping too.

Better admit failure and legalize all crimes.

Makes good druggie sense.

Dan

11 posted on 01/16/2003 7:58:05 AM PST by BibChr
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To: per loin
30 years, and already he's come to his senses. Quick thinker.

Better late than never.

12 posted on 01/16/2003 7:58:24 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: BibChr
Come on now Dan. The flaw in that logic has been pointed out so many times you should really be ashamed of yourself.

Crime perpetrated on a victim is one this, someone doing themselves harm is completely different.

Knock it off already. People may begin to think you are dim witted.

13 posted on 01/16/2003 8:00:16 AM PST by Dead Corpse (You think you own me? Come here... let's talk.)
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To: per loin
Yep. I noticed he didn't get his thinkin' straight until AFTER he stopped collecting a paycheck from it. Better late than never, I guess.
14 posted on 01/16/2003 8:00:45 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: BibChr
Come on now Dan. The flaw in that logic has been pointed out so many times you should really be ashamed of yourself.

Crime perpetrated on a victim is one thing, someone doing themselves harm is completely different.

Knock it off already. People may begin to think you are dim witted.

15 posted on 01/16/2003 8:00:58 AM PST by Dead Corpse (You think you own me? Come here... let's talk.)
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To: BibChr
I understand theft continues even though cops try to catch thieves. Same with murder. Well, rape, fraud, violence and kidnapping too.

Better admit failure and legalize all crimes.

Unlike drug "crimes," the crimes you mention all have victims---which means that they (unlike drugs) are the legitimate business of government, and that existing and potential victims (or next of kin) stand ready to resist the crime and assist in catching the criminal.

16 posted on 01/16/2003 8:01:22 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
The more I read the more I hear about cops that are saying the War on Drugs is fundamentally unwinnable. This is a free, capitalist democracy after all, and when demand for something is as high as it is for psychoactive chemicals, markets are created that route around little annoyances like federal and state government prohibition.

The Puritan, gut-reaction to drugs in this country is overwhelming at time. Me, I fancy myself a pragmatist, and when we pour so much of our national resources into something for so long that shows no sign of decisive results, I think we need to get out of it, cut our losses, and go back to the drawing board.
17 posted on 01/16/2003 8:01:29 AM PST by Tony Niar Brain (Choose your enemies carefully, for you will become like them...)
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To: Eagle Eye
"To support the current WoD, one must also support militarily trained US federal agents actively engaged in paramilitary operations in (at least) Central and South America. "

True, but experience has shown me that if you try to bring that aspect of the WOD to supporters attention they really go bananas. Therefore, I usually leave that one on the back burner. But one only has to ask themselves, how do you think we fund many of these adventures?

18 posted on 01/16/2003 8:02:56 AM PST by Kerberos
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To: Eagle Eye
...nothing more than a hustle...

If you haven't already seen it, check out the section entitled "The Fed: Michael Levine" from the link below.

Battlefield Conversions

19 posted on 01/16/2003 8:04:26 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: MrLeRoy
Must be a George Soros plant or a closet dope head. Nothing else would explain why a brave officer would state such opinions when he spent 30 years of his life dodging bullets from deranged hippies and violent coke heads.
20 posted on 01/16/2003 8:06:34 AM PST by FreeTally (If someone with a multiple personality disorder tries to kill himself, is it a hostage situation?)
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To: BibChr
Yeah, I understand theft continues even though cops try to catch thieves. Same with murder. Well, rape, fraud, violence and kidnapping too.

Dan, that dog don't hunt and you know it.

21 posted on 01/16/2003 8:09:52 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Eagle Eye
I have known more than one DEA agent who has become cynical about the WOD after coming to the realization that it is nothing more than a hustle perpetrated on the American public.

Is the agent still in the "service?"

22 posted on 01/16/2003 8:10:18 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: FreeTally
Yeah, Soros just launched an Orbiting Mind Control Satellite to target cops...
23 posted on 01/16/2003 8:10:36 AM PST by eno_
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To: FreeTally
...he spent 30 years of his life dodging bullets from deranged hippies and violent coke heads.

Maybe he hasn't, and that's why he's coming out now saying how futile the WOD is. Active cops aren't big about airing their dirty laundry in public.

24 posted on 01/16/2003 8:12:29 AM PST by Tony Niar Brain (Choose your enemies carefully, for you will become like them...)
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To: MrLeRoy
While spending what Mr. Cole estimates to be $69 billion per year in law enforcement and prison costs for drug offenders

Those Tomahawk cruise missiles only cost about a half million each. For what we are wasting on the drug war, we could buy an extra 138,000 cruise missiles each year. Those would be handy for a first strike on North Korea.

25 posted on 01/16/2003 8:13:01 AM PST by per loin
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To: Dead Corpse
Come on now Dan. The flaw in that logic has been pointed out so many times you should really be ashamed of yourself.

The flaw has been pointed out so many times that one must come to the conclusion that a person who uses such an argument is either mentally incapable of comprehending common sense or is a disengenuous poster with no interest in rational debate.

26 posted on 01/16/2003 8:13:22 AM PST by FreeTally (If someone with a multiple personality disorder tries to kill himself, is it a hostage situation?)
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To: BibChr
One day, in the not so distant future, Abortion and Drug Prohibition will be viewed as shamefully as Slavery and Alcohol Prohibition.

Perhaps you should re-examine your position...
27 posted on 01/16/2003 8:15:09 AM PST by motzman (Stop being mean! (tag whine))
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To: Tony Niar Brain
That was sarcasm; I figured most posters would realize that such a comment from me was just that. There are a couple drug warriors who always bring up George Soros and make irrational blanket statements about "drug users".
28 posted on 01/16/2003 8:15:32 AM PST by FreeTally (If someone with a multiple personality disorder tries to kill himself, is it a hostage situation?)
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To: BibChr
One day, in the not so distant future, Abortion and Drug Prohibition will be viewed as shamefully as Slavery and Alcohol Prohibition.

Perhaps you should re-examine your position...
29 posted on 01/16/2003 8:15:46 AM PST by motzman (Stop being mean! (tag whine))
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To: per loin
While spending what Mr. Cole estimates to be $69 billion per year in law enforcement and prison costs for drug offenders

Some people just love socialism as long as it satisfies their Puritan penchant for punishing those who do things they don't like.

30 posted on 01/16/2003 8:15:50 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Dead Corpse
I don't want to pay for drug addicts health care or subsidize their use. If you couple legalization with ending medicaid, hospitals charging paying customers twice as much to pay for non payers, have a flat income tax, get rid of the earned income tax credit, then I am ok with legalization. But couple legalization with welfare and medicaid is making me pay for their drug use.
31 posted on 01/16/2003 8:16:20 AM PST by staytrue
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To: FreeTally
Whoops, sorry. I'm not a huge FR user, and sometimes the drug hawks sound so much like a parody of themselves it's hard to tell the difference.
32 posted on 01/16/2003 8:17:22 AM PST by Tony Niar Brain (Choose your enemies carefully, for you will become like them...)
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To: eno_
Yeah, Soros just launched an Orbiting Mind Control Satellite to target cops...

LOL!!!

Maybe they should take up donations in DARE classes to buy cops industrial strength tin foil.

33 posted on 01/16/2003 8:17:29 AM PST by FreeTally (If someone with a multiple personality disorder tries to kill himself, is it a hostage situation?)
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To: staytrue
A $69 billion dollar Drug War is making you pay for their drug use as well.
34 posted on 01/16/2003 8:18:39 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: staytrue
I don't want to pay for drug addicts health care or subsidize their use. If you couple legalization with ending medicaid, hospitals charging paying customers twice as much to pay for non payers, have a flat income tax, get rid of the earned income tax credit, then I am ok with legalization. But couple legalization with welfare and medicaid is making me pay for their drug use.

This is a valid arguement.
35 posted on 01/16/2003 8:19:06 AM PST by motzman (Stop being mean! (tag whine))
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To: Kerberos
True, but experience has shown me that if you try to bring that aspect of the WOD to supporters attention they really go bananas.

That question rids Drug Warriors from a thread faster than garlic works on vampires.

36 posted on 01/16/2003 8:21:23 AM PST by Eagle Eye (And mj was once legal while beer was illegal)
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To: Wolfie
You not only hit the nail on the head, you drove it clean through the other end of the board! The WOD will NEVER end because there are too many jobs on the line and too many dim-witted soccer moms who will vote political hacks into office to keep it going. Think about it....how many jobs depend on this assinine WOD continuing?
37 posted on 01/16/2003 8:21:56 AM PST by Orangedog (Accept No Substitutes)
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To: staytrue
I realize no one likes to pay for irresponsibility of drug users (or anyone else for that matter...), but if we do not pay for their treatment, we must instead pay for their incarceration, which we are mostly doing now. So we have to ask ourselves how much we are going to pay. The majority of studies of drug policy in other nations with treatment over incarceration suggest that they are more effective and less costly overall. That is why I would prefer the WOD to just go away.
38 posted on 01/16/2003 8:22:40 AM PST by Tony Niar Brain (Choose your enemies carefully, for you will become like them...)
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To: motzman; Dead Corpse
...and all other Druggie Defenders.

Fine. If mine's a bad counter, make sure that

DRUGGIE DEFENDERS DROP THE "IT DOESN'T WORK" "DEFENSE"

If it's not germane as I used it, it isn't germane as you use it. Drop it.

Dan

39 posted on 01/16/2003 8:23:06 AM PST by BibChr
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Agents.

No. Maybe. I'm not sure.

40 posted on 01/16/2003 8:23:50 AM PST by Eagle Eye (And mj was once legal while beer was illegal)
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; headsonpikes; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; ...
WOD Ping
41 posted on 01/16/2003 8:24:29 AM PST by jmc813 (My tagline used to say "Go Jets!!!!", but I am now looking for a new one.)
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To: Dead Corpse
"Knock it off already. People may begin to think you are dim witted. "

Too late.

42 posted on 01/16/2003 8:24:33 AM PST by Kerberos
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To: staytrue
I agree. End 99% of the welfare. Axe Social (in-)Security. NRST, instead of a flat-tax, and disband the IRS.

At the very least make drug usage a disqualifying statute to recieving re-distributionist payouts.

Make it allowable by law to shoot legislators who even suggest "free-needle" programs.

43 posted on 01/16/2003 8:25:20 AM PST by Dead Corpse (You think you own me? Come here... let's talk.)
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To: staytrue; motzman
If you couple legalization with ending medicaid, hospitals charging paying customers twice as much to pay for non payers, have a flat income tax, get rid of the earned income tax credit, then I am ok with legalization.

Using one violation of rights as a justification for another violation of rights is not a conservative argument. Not to mention the fact that many drug users cost you precisely nothing and so should not have their liberties restricted because of what OTHER users cost you.

44 posted on 01/16/2003 8:25:50 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Tony Niar Brain
if we do not pay for their treatment, we must instead pay for their incarceration

Why?

45 posted on 01/16/2003 8:27:47 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: BibChr
Unlike drug "crimes," the crimes you mention all have victims---which means that they (unlike drugs) are the legitimate business of government, and that existing and potential victims (or next of kin) stand ready to resist the crime and assist in catching the criminal.
46 posted on 01/16/2003 8:28:19 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
"Is the agent still in the "service?"

Probably so, I mean they have bills to pay also.

47 posted on 01/16/2003 8:28:30 AM PST by Kerberos
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To: dirtboy; jmc813
definately KC, would say Soro's has corrupted him.
48 posted on 01/16/2003 8:29:08 AM PST by vin-one (I wish i had something clever to put in this tag)
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To: BibChr
It doesn't work you idiot. Billions spent on removing 1 tenth of one percent of all drug traffic off the streets.
49 posted on 01/16/2003 8:29:11 AM PST by Dead Corpse (You think you own me? Come here... let's talk.)
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To: BibChr
To support the current WoD, you must also support the use of militarily trained federal agents particiapting in paramilitary operations in Central and South America because that is what is going on.

You must also support current practices that KNOWINGLY allow more drugs into the country than what is stopped.

Also, you must also support the political and judicial corruption that is intertwined in the current WoD.

Dan, who'd have thought that you would use a facade of righteousness in order to endorse, support, and perpetuate such evil and anti-American practices that corrupt government, LEO, society itself?

Who'd have thunk it?

50 posted on 01/16/2003 8:32:07 AM PST by Eagle Eye ( Jesus said that it ain't what goes into your mouth that corrupts you, it's what come out!)
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