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Fearing for lives, Jews in France flee
The Detroit News ^ | January 17 2003 | Jocelyn Gecker/AP

Posted on 01/17/2003 3:12:21 AM PST by knighthawk

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:09:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PARIS -- Jewish parents tell their sons not to wear yarmulkes. A rabbi is stabbed. Elderly women are frisked before entering synagogues -- just in case. As the stresses of being Jewish in France multiply, some feel it safer to hide their religion. Others have decided the only solution is to pack up and leave -- more than twice as many as a year earlier, according to statistics by the Jewish Agency.


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TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; flee; france; french; israel; jacqueschirac; jews; judeophobia
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1 posted on 01/17/2003 3:12:21 AM PST by knighthawk
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Later that day, Farhi was preparing for Sabbath services when the synagogue doorbell rang. As he opened the door, he says, an attacker in a motorcycle helmet lunged forward with a knife, shouted "God is great!" in Arabic and fled.

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2 posted on 01/17/2003 3:13:33 AM PST by knighthawk
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4 posted on 01/17/2003 3:14:58 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
Fearing for lives, Jews in France flee

A smart move, get out while the gettings good. Just wondering though, what was the average French Jew's opinion, support, whatever on all the "enlightened" Euro-leftist diversity, inclusiveness, etc. blather while the Mohammadan hordes were taking over?

5 posted on 01/17/2003 3:25:06 AM PST by putupon
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To: knighthawk
As he opened the door, he says, an attacker in a motorcycle helmet lunged forward with a knife, shouted "God is great!" in Arabic and fled.

They also scream Allah Akbar when they crash airplanes into our buildings. We or the Israelis should write Allah Akbar on the nuclear tipped cruise missile sent to Mecca.

 


6 posted on 01/17/2003 3:46:53 AM PST by dennisw (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: knighthawk
So, knighthawk, I guess most of these anti semitic incidents emanate from within the Muslim community?
7 posted on 01/17/2003 4:21:04 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: putupon
re your # 5

Straight question...no curve ball: Jews have been disliked and maligned in every country through the ages....Why?

Is it really because people feel threatened by their religious theology?..That seems unlikely

Where exactly does the problem lie?

8 posted on 01/17/2003 4:35:28 AM PST by rmvh
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To: rmvh
If Satan could have all descendents of Abraham thru Jacob be destroyed, it would prove that God could not keep his promise to Abraham that his line would be established for-ever...the Bible talks about the destruction of all creation and the cessation of God's authority should the descendents of Abraham perish...I'll find the reference shortly, it's in the old testament. That's why they have demonically been singled out for destruction thru-out history, as well as being the subject of various judgments that God has pronounced against them....but God will judge them, Christians are to pray for them and support them, as the blessed descendents of Abraham!
9 posted on 01/17/2003 4:46:27 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: knighthawk
Last spring, President Jacques Chirac insisted there was no anti-Semitism in France

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

10 posted on 01/17/2003 5:22:38 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: knighthawk
But relations are tense between France's large Jewish and Muslim communities, and many fear a war in Iraq will trigger renewed violence.

There are 600,000 Jews and over 5,000,000 Muslims in France. The Jewish population, for the most part, is productive and a threat to no one. The Muslim population is is primarily a welfare drain on the French economy which is now driving out a much smaller productive segment of the population, anti-semitic, anti-culture, and very destructive. Guess which the French government is promoting and protecting. If the US keeps buying the PC multicultural slop our leaders, like GWB are putting out about Islam, we'll be next.

France Creates Muslim Council

How come there isn't a "Jewish Council"?

Hank

11 posted on 01/17/2003 6:13:24 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Sam Cree
I guess most of these anti semitic incidents emanate from within the Muslim community?

The muslim community may be the seed of anti-semitism, but France provides a particularly fertile soil for it.

12 posted on 01/17/2003 6:19:19 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Another disturbed youth makes good!)
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To: knighthawk
Damn strange. I'm currently working on a book about the French Resistance and I have recently been studying the period surrounding 'le Debacle' in June 1940. They had such news stories then, too.
13 posted on 01/17/2003 6:21:07 AM PST by Petronski (Except then it was the Nazis)
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To: knighthawk
Thanks for this article, it is quite timely for me - last night my husband and I watched Victory (1980 movie with Sylvester Stallone and Michael Caine about a soccer match between Allied POWs and Germany during WW2) and our ensuing conversation was about how Europe largely maintains the suicidal attitudes of pre-WW2, only this time the threat is Islam. He's reluctant to believe that Islam is that malevolent. I forwarded the link to him at work and I think I'll be sending him a few more of your finds in the future as well. Thanks for maintaining your ping list.
14 posted on 01/17/2003 6:33:39 AM PST by agrace
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To: putupon
I dare to think that it is (the clash between Moslems and Jews in France) only temporary? Jews encountered lots of trouble with blacks in the eighties in Brooklyn N.Y., the crisis past. France has lots of Moslem youth, who are learning to hate Jews from the Saudi funded mosques. Once we cut the funding, and cool the Israeli-Arab tension, most of the violence will subside. French Jews are an integral part of the French society, they should never leave. France needs them. France should start deporting violent Moslems, and close mosques that preaches hate. These worthless Moslems, last week, placed explosives in one Paris’s most beautiful churches, Sacre Coeur. No one is suggesting that Catholic French people should run away to Rome?

Vive La France

15 posted on 01/17/2003 6:37:19 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: Petronski
Hey, basically what I said below your post. And since you are working on such a book, I have a question - can you recommend a good book account of WW2, events leading up to it and the war itself? Anyone else feel free to suggest resources also, thanks.
16 posted on 01/17/2003 6:37:38 AM PST by agrace
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To: knighthawk
bump
17 posted on 01/17/2003 6:42:33 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: knighthawk
Clearly, with 9/11 we have entered "a time of troubles."

It is uncanny, the extent to which, anti-semitism rises, worldwide, in such periods.
18 posted on 01/17/2003 6:43:59 AM PST by ricpic
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To: philosofy123; Petronski; knighthawk; agrace; putupon
Most people are unaware that over a century ago, it was not Germany, but France, that was arguably the most anti-semetic country in Europe. It was everywhere, of course, but in few other places was it so openly talked about and acted upon. L'affaire Dreyfus was just the one of many indicators of this. In many ways, France is simply coming full circle back to where they left off.
19 posted on 01/17/2003 6:48:00 AM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: agrace
The best I've ever seen is "Delivered From Evil" by Robert Leckie. It begins with the Treaty of Versailles after WWI, has mini-biographies of all the major players, lots of maps, great bibliography for further reading. The author served in the Pacific, and includes himself as "Lucky". One of my favorite stories is about the water-cooled machine guns running out of water, & the American in charge (I believe Manila John Basilone) said "P!ss on 'em!" - meaning it literally.
20 posted on 01/17/2003 7:04:29 AM PST by nina0113
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To: agrace
I think the starting point for any study of WWII must begin with William Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

Watch out, though, as he can be a little political at times (in his sympathy for socialism). It is not severe and cannot diminish the almost indispensible detail of this book.

I would also recommend the six part memoir of WWII by Winston Churchill (if you don't mind his justifiable ego); "Nazi Germany" by Klaus Fischer (obscure but VERY authoritative); "Russia at War 1941-1945" by Alexander Werth. Oddly enough, the old TIME-LIFE series on World War II is an excellent entry-level series, though it spans something like 30 volumes of 200 pages each. But it is laid out like a magazine and is excellent for introduction. (Ebay or libraries only).

Hmmm, what else? For about $75 you can find the Thames Television series "World at War" on DVD: 31 hours of fine documentary films, many of which include interviews with the principals. These films (53 minutes each) are heavy meals and can be viewed over and over before all the information is digested. Narration by Sir Lawrence Olivier is classic.

Martin Gilbert's "The Holocaust" is a typical starting point for that topic. As far as the point of view of the GI, get anything by Cornelius Ryan or Stephen Ambrose.

Finally, if you need a book on a specific aspect of the war, let me know. I can probably recommend a title.

21 posted on 01/17/2003 7:14:05 AM PST by Petronski (Did I mention I like to read?)
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To: knighthawk
The ironic thing is that if Le Pen had his way, and moslems were kicked out of France, Jews would be a lot safer.
22 posted on 01/17/2003 8:19:36 AM PST by traditionalist
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To: dennisw
The Jihadist Saudi Borg Cube.
23 posted on 01/17/2003 8:23:30 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: rmvh
Where exactly does the problem lie?

Jews are easy to scapegoat - we don't riot like Palestinians do.

24 posted on 01/17/2003 8:46:49 AM PST by BrooklynGOP
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To: philosofy123
No one is suggesting that Catholic French people should run away to Rome?

If the French Catholics had been put in boxcars by a bunch of willing French collaborators and there were an anti-Catholic European undercurrent the way there is an anti-semitic one, they would be wise to bail out too.

25 posted on 01/17/2003 8:53:34 AM PST by putupon
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26 posted on 01/17/2003 9:02:58 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: rmvh
Where exactly does the problem lie?

Because the only real estate that they claim is also claimed by others and they are always considered unwelcome guests wherever they go. Killing Jews is a cheap way to gain property and Mohammad (and the Popes up until recently) preached that killing them would please Allah or God as the case may be.

27 posted on 01/17/2003 9:09:54 AM PST by putupon
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To: knighthawk
As the stresses of being Jewish in France multiply, some feel it safer to hide their religion.

It appears that France is still under Nazi occupation.

28 posted on 01/17/2003 9:10:22 AM PST by A2J
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To: Stefan Stackhouse
Another factor with the French is that the Allies found it politic to pretend, during and after WWII, that DeGaulle and the Resistance were the "real France," and that France was "really" an ally against Germany throughout the war. The pretence was sealed by the ridiculous grant to France --a second rate power since WWII and arguably since WWI -- of a permanent seat on the UN Security Council. De Gaulle then built his postwar political career on this charade: Vive la France -- virtuous, mighty, and destined for la gloire!

The upshot of all this pretending is that the French have not yet much dealt with their real WWII history, which is predominantly a history of anti-semitism, collaboration, and weasling. A couple of old creeps have been prosecuted but that sort of thing so easily becomes self-excusing -- we tossed out the bad apple so now our barrel is clean.

This, by the way, is why having the supposedly Center-Right Chirac in power does not make France a more reliable ally -- Chirac is a Guallist, and there really isn't anything to Gaullism besides the la gloire charade.

29 posted on 01/17/2003 9:27:02 AM PST by Southern Federalist (just popping in - lately I've been lurking but too busy to post)
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To: knighthawk
Defending France's Jews

From The New York Sun, January 17, 2003

Under the headline "Defending France's Jews," the New York Times fetched up yesterday with an editorial calling on the French government to protect its Jews. It's nice to see that there are some Jews that the Times editorialists would like to protect, since the newspaper's concern for the safety of the ones in Israel often seems somewhat attenuated. In fact, the Times editorial mentions that the surge in French anti-Semitism has led to a doubling in the number of French Jews moving to Israel. A cynic might speculate that this is the source of the Times' concern with French anti-Semitism.

What's stunning is how the Times stakes out a middle ground. "Americans and Israelis are too quick to link violence by young North African delinquents to France's Vichy past. The two have little to do with each other," the Times says, finding a way to criticize Israelis even in the context of an editorial headlined "Defending France's Jews." There's little recognition by the Times that French anti-Semitism runs deeper than merely "young North African delinquents." No mention, for instance, of the French ambassador to Britain calling Israel "that sh___ little country" at a dinner party in England. No North African youth, he. No mention, either, of the cartoon in the leftist French newspaper Liberation that, as an account in the July issue of Commentary put it, showed Prime Minister Sharon "standing next to a cross with a hammer and nails in his mouth. The caption: 'no Christmas for Arafat. But he is welcome on Easter.' " Liberation is not edited by North African youths, nor did the classical anti-Semitic image of the Jew as Christ-killer originate with North African youths.

If it were merely angry Arab youths that the French Jews sought to escape, after all, those French Jews might not be so eager to move to Israel.

30 posted on 01/17/2003 9:43:40 AM PST by firebrand
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To: putupon
My original question:..Where exactly does the problem lie?

Because the only real estate that they claim is also claimed by others and they are always considered unwelcome guests wherever they go. Killing Jews is a cheap way to gain property and Mohammad (and the Popes up until recently) preached that killing them would please Allah or God as the case may be.

OK..I buy that killing Jews, or anyone else for that matter, is a cheap way to gain real estate...The other suggestions don't seem to fit reality, however.

Consider: there is no broad squabble for land here in the U.S. but they aren't loved here either....France the same..as well as most of Western Europe. No the problem must lie elsewhere.

As far as the Allah situation goes...Well....they and their horrid politicized religion have had a multi-century hatred of just about everyone else...an essential factor to their leadership retaining power in this world (leaving the brain-washed and the ignorant to do their dirty work in exchange for a laughable "black hole" in the next).

I also don't buy the idea that the Popes..in recent centuries..made an edict that Jews were to be killed. If this is true I would like some historical, non-Jewish references

Nonetheless, my question goes unanswered I suppose.

Thanks for your answer anway. 44

31 posted on 01/17/2003 9:46:59 AM PST by rmvh
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To: putupon
Do you suggest that the Flatbush Ave, Brooklyn skirmishes between blacks and Jews should have been a cause for the American Jews to abandon the US?
32 posted on 01/17/2003 9:56:37 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: knighthawk
Defending France's Jews

New York Sun, January 17, 2003

Under the headline "Defending France's Jews," the New York Times fetched up yesterday with an editorial calling on the French government to protect its Jews. It's nice to see that there are some Jews that the Times editorialists would like to protect, since the newspaper's concern for the safety of the ones in Israel often seems somewhat attenuated. In fact, the Times editorial mentions that the surge in French anti-Semitism has led to a doubling in the number of French Jews moving to Israel. A cynic might speculate that this is the source of the Times' concern with French anti-Semitism.

What's stunning is how the Times stakes out a middle ground. "Americans and Israelis are too quick to link violence by young North African delinquents to France's Vichy past. The two have little to do with each other," the Times says, finding a way to criticize Israelis even in the context of an editorial headlined "Defending France's Jews." There's little recognition by the Times that French anti-Semitism runs deeper than merely "young North African delinquents." No mention, for instance, of the French Ambassador to Britain calling Isreal "that sh---- little country" at a dinner party in England. No North African youth, he. No mention, either, of the cartoon in the leftist French newspaper Liberation that, as an account in the July issue of Commentary put it, showed Prime Minister Sharon "standing next to a cross with a hammer and nails in his mouth. The caption: 'no Christmas for Arafat. But he is welcome on Easter.'" Liberation is not edited by North African youths, nor did the classical anti-Semitic image of the Jew as Christ-killer originate with North African youths.

If it were merely angry Arab youths that the French Jews south to escape, after all, those French Jews might not be so eager to move to Israel.

33 posted on 01/17/2003 10:02:03 AM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand
Sorry for the double post. Someone rigged this computer to refresh pages every half hour. LOL
34 posted on 01/17/2003 10:13:27 AM PST by firebrand
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To: philosofy123
Do you suggest that the Flatbush Ave, Brooklyn skirmishes between blacks and Jews should have been a cause for the American Jews to abandon the US?

Only if half the blacks in the US had teamed up with Hitler in the '40's and transported the Jews to Aushwitz, as did the French. If the the blacks in Flatbush team up with middle eastern jihadists, I would certainly recommend that the Jews there leave for safer environs.

35 posted on 01/17/2003 10:15:48 AM PST by putupon
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To: knighthawk
Amazing.
36 posted on 01/17/2003 10:30:15 AM PST by Stultis
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To: rmvh
"Where exactly does the problem lie? "

Try looking in the mirror.

PS - "The New York Times is owned and largely controlled by Non-Christians."

I wouldn't use the Times to wrap fish, but you should know that the family that controls the Times converted out to Unitarianism decades ago and that aside from William Safire, former speech writer for Nixon, any Jews left on the [editorial or otherwise ] board of the times are completely non-observant JINOS, totally against "Imperialist" Israel AND the Consitution.

BTW - Was Clinton's destructive behavior to this great country due to his Christian upbringing?
37 posted on 01/17/2003 10:51:49 AM PST by Yehuda (http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: rmvh
PS - you never said thank you for Christmas present from the Jews:

Israeli-U.S. Mobile Laser Scores First Success.

38 posted on 01/17/2003 11:00:05 AM PST by Yehuda (http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Yehuda
Yeah, I'm sure they had a insight into how it worked.

Now those Patriot batteries can be deployed elsewhere.

39 posted on 01/17/2003 11:25:58 AM PST by VeniVidiVici
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To: Yehuda
I wouldn't use the Times to wrap fish, but you should know that the family that controls the Times converted out to Unitarianism decades ago

Unitarians are not Christians.

40 posted on 01/17/2003 11:26:46 AM PST by traditionalist
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To: firebrand
Ironically the candidate for president who would do the most to protect Jews in France is the very same one reviled most by them: Le Pen.
41 posted on 01/17/2003 11:28:15 AM PST by traditionalist
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To: firebrand
No mention, for instance, of the French Ambassador to Britain calling Isreal "that sh---- little country" at a dinner party in England. No North African youth, he.

Anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism are not the same thing. Plus, did this Ambasador ever engage or incite in any anti-Jewish violence?

No mention, either, of the cartoon in the leftist French newspaper Liberation that, as an account in the July issue of Commentary put it, showed Prime Minister Sharon "standing next to a cross with a hammer and nails in his mouth. The caption: 'no Christmas for Arafat. But he is welcome on Easter.'" Liberation is not edited by North African youths, nor did the classical anti-Semitic image of the Jew as Christ-killer originate with North African youths.

And how many of the Liberation's editors engaged in violence against Jews? And how many of the readers of this magazine do you think would be moved by the image of the "Christ-killer," given that most Frenchmen are not believers?

100% of the incidents involve Moslems.

Most French Christians (or should I say post-Christians?) don't like Jews very much, but dislike and hatred are not the same thing. If historic French anti-Semitism were responsible for the present violence, why is it that these attacks only began after large waves of Moslem immigrants were let into France?

42 posted on 01/17/2003 11:37:55 AM PST by traditionalist
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To: mdmathis6
Christians are to pray for them and support them

Are we to preach the gospel to them?

43 posted on 01/17/2003 11:45:03 AM PST by traditionalist
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To: putupon
Please tell me which popes exactly preached the killing of Jews.
44 posted on 01/17/2003 11:46:54 AM PST by traditionalist
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To: traditionalist
Please tell me which popes exactly preached the killing of Jews.

The Pope that was in power @ the end of WWII and hid the Nazi war criminals escaping to South America for one. The Popes in office during the Spanish Inquisition.

The current Pope issued some kind official policy or statement a few years ago repudating past practices, did he not?

45 posted on 01/17/2003 11:55:24 AM PST by putupon
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To: putupon
The Pope that was in power @ the end of WWII and hid the Nazi war criminals escaping to South America for one. The Popes in office during the Spanish Inquisition.

I see you need a history lesson. Pius XII, pope during WW2, was acknowledged by Jewish historians as responsible for saving 800,000 Jews. Israel honored him with the title of "righteous gentile." I have studied a lot about him, and I know of nothing about him assisting Nazi war criminals. This is the first I heard of it. If you have a source, I'd be interested in seeing it.

The Spanish inquisition did not target Jews, but heretics. To be a heretic you had to have been baptized a Christian.

The current Pope issued some kind official policy or statement a few years ago repudating past practices, did he not?

No. He apologized on behalf of Christians who, in the name of the Church, did unChristian things. He never apologized for any official Church policy.

46 posted on 01/17/2003 12:07:24 PM PST by traditionalist
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To: rmvh
...Where exactly does the problem lie...

Dershowitz, Schumer, Eisner et al

47 posted on 01/17/2003 12:16:55 PM PST by bert
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To: knighthawk
Sorry to say but the dogs of the Frankfurt School rabid as they are are now biting at everything good in the West or what remains of the West. Let us be honest here for decades we have heard about the Facist tendicies of whites and the faults of our civilization all in an effort to create a passive populace for the implementation of an egalitarian socialism. It worked so while Muslim firebrands target France's Jews the passive/aggressive French population at best is passive at worst they see this as just rewards for decades of hateful rhetoric or what they perceived as such. These attacks will get worse, but I don't think they will be apocolyptic, but more like the American racial and ethnic cleaning of our inner cities by angry minorities.
48 posted on 01/17/2003 12:18:50 PM PST by junta
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To: traditionalist
Innocent VIII is a good candidate.

He was pretty hard on the jews and moors of Spain and burned those who wouldn't convert.

49 posted on 01/17/2003 12:34:06 PM PST by bert
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To: traditionalist
Unitarians are not Christians.

I am no expert on Christians, but Unitarianism certainly isn't a sect of Judaism.

And I erred; The Times' owners are Episcopalians.

50 posted on 01/17/2003 12:40:06 PM PST by Yehuda (http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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