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Charlie Rangel Babbles UPI reports the truth(Democrat caught in a lie Alert)
The African American Republican Leadership Council ^ | 17 January 2003 | Trueblackman

Posted on 01/17/2003 7:53:52 AM PST by Trueblackman

Analysis: Are soldiers black and poor? By Steve Sailer UPI National Correspondent From the Washington Politics & Policy Desk Published 1/16/2003 12:19 PM View printer-friendly version

LOS ANGELES, Jan. 15 (UPI) -- Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., a Korean War veteran, has introduced a bill to reinstate the military draft, arguing, "A disproportionate number of the poor and members of minority groups make up the enlisted ranks of the [volunteer] military..."

Indeed, in a little noticed development, the percentage of military personnel who were minorities shot upward during the years from 1995 to 2000, with enlisted ranks rising from 28 percent to 38 percent minority (compared to 30 percent of the national population), and the officer corps growing from 11 percent to 19 percent.

The booming economy of the late 1990s may have made it harder for the Pentagon to recruit whites, who tend to enjoy more lucrative opportunities in the civilian economy than do blacks or Hispanics.

Blacks are found disproportionately in the military, while Hispanic residents, many of whom are not citizens, are slightly underrepresented. Blacks are found most heavily in the Army and are least common in the Air Force.

Contrary to popular belief, blacks have not died in combat in disproportionate numbers, even in Vietnam. Two leading military sociologists, Charles Moskos of Northwestern and John Sibley Butler of the University of Texas, researched this carefully for their 1996 book "All We Can Be: Black Leadership and Racial Integration the Army Way."

They reported, "Black fatalities amounted to 12.1 percent of all Americans killed in Southeast Asia -- a figure proportional to the number of blacks in the U.S. population at the time and slightly lower than the proportion of blacks in the Army at the close of the war."

(Moskos favors reinstituting the draft. He says Rangel's argument "persuasive" but that the most important reason is that the military is undermanned and relies too heavily on reserves.)

In recent decades, blacks have tended to gravitate away from combat jobs. In arguing against Rangel's bill, the Department of Defense noted, "Blacks today account for 21 percent of the enlisted force, but make up only 15 percent of combat arms (e.g., infantry, armor, artillery)."

African-Americans make up about 13 percent of young adults, so they are still somewhat over-represented in combat positions.

"In contrast, blacks account for 36 percent of Functional Support and Administration and 27 percent of Medical and Dental career fields. "

Interestingly, the military today seems to attract pugnacious whites and pragmatic blacks. Analysts have suggested that more young white men see the infantry as a way, in the words of one, to "play Rambo" from age 18 to 22, then go to college using military tuition benefits. In contrast, blacks often view the military as either a long-term career in itself, or as a way to get practical training for a civilian white-collar career.

Are soldiers the products of particularly poor families? In general, the enlisted ranks come from neither the top nor the bottom of society, but from working and middle class backgrounds. Very few enlistees appear to be the scions of the wealthy. (Some officers are from rich families, however; but a larger proportion of officers are the sons and daughters of officers.)

White enlistees tend to come from households somewhat lower in income than the general white population: $33,500 per year versus $44,400 for the average white, according to 1999 Defense Department statistics. Strikingly, black enlistees come from households above the black national average: $32,000 vs. $27,900.

In fact, on a number of measures, African-American enlistees tend to stand well above the black average and very close to, or above, the mean for white enlistees. The celebrated high degree of racial equality and amity found in the military, especially in the Army, would appear to benefit from the similar backgrounds that black and white soldiers bring to the Army.

Not only do black and white soldiers come from households of almost equal income, but their educational attainments are virtually identical. In 1994, 99 percent of black and 97 percent of white Army enlisted personnel were high school graduates, figures above the national average.

When the Volunteer Army began three decades ago, black recruits had much higher graduation rates that whites. In the late 1970s, according to Moskos and Sibley, 90 percent of black Army enlistees had their degrees, versus only about 40 percent of whites. After the large pay raises of the early 1980s, the Army was able to recruit a better-educated group of youth, so the black advantage narrowed as both groups' graduations rates approached 100 percent.

The racial gap in test scores that bedevils American civilian society is a much smaller problem in the Army.

Moskos and Sibley found that in 1994: "83 percent of white recruits scored in the upper half of the mental aptitude test (compared with 61 percent of white youths in the national population), while 59 percent of black recruits scored in the upper half (compared with 14 percent of the black youths nationwide)."

African-American enlistees are also more likely to come from two-parent families than is the norm among blacks, the Defense Department says.

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Charlie Rangel is just trying to give the anti-war crowd some fuel its so-called fire.
1 posted on 01/17/2003 7:53:52 AM PST by Trueblackman
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2 posted on 01/17/2003 7:55:49 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Trueblackman
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3 posted on 01/17/2003 7:55:53 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Trueblackman
What these data also say is that today's military is many magnitudes more sophisticated than that of the Vietnam era and as such requires better educated, more stable individuals. The part about black servicemen coming from two-parent families especially speaks to this issue - contrary to what rangel spouts, the military is no haven for poor street thugs and other delinquents. Gone are the days that a kid is given the choice between jail and a stint with Uncle Sam's Misguided Children (just kidding, guys...) as happened during the latter part of the war in SEA and earlier. The US military requires thinking people who can make critical judgements under pressure - not trigger happy dolts who "have no choice" because they are "held back by society" as the race pimps would have us think. Unfortunately, the race pimps and their ilk, like the Clintons and such, get all the press in the "mainstream media". It is up to outlets like this to get the truth out.
4 posted on 01/17/2003 8:05:58 AM PST by astounded
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To: Trueblackman
Outstanding post! Thanks!
5 posted on 01/17/2003 8:09:05 AM PST by optimistically_conservative (The answer is Q)
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To: Trueblackman
I suppose this means you'll have to make the rounds of all the shows on Fox again. Maybe O'Reilly can get you a debate with Rangel, since he is a frequent guest himself. I would LOVE to see you shut Colmes up AGAIN! Keep being dangerous.
6 posted on 01/17/2003 9:34:51 AM PST by lorrainer (My other car is a C-130 Hercules.)
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To: Trueblackman
As with all statistics not all would be as it seems. Its not that I’m disagreeing with the article but there is a little bit of apple and oranges comparisons going on.

They reported, "Black fatalities amounted to 12.1 percent of all Americans killed in Southeast Asia -- a figure proportional to the number of blacks in the U.S. population at the time and slightly lower than the proportion of blacks in the Army at the close of the war

The 12.1 percent is for the general population male and females the percentage for the military was almost exclusively males. The number of Black females in the military at that time was almost nil. The number of white females in the military was also small but it skews the overall numbers.

In recent decades, blacks have tended to gravitate away from combat jobs. In arguing against Rangel's bill, the Department of Defense noted, "Blacks today account for 21 percent of the enlisted force, but make up only 15 percent of combat arms (e.g., infantry, armor, artillery)."

African-Americans make up about 13 percent of young adults, so they are still somewhat over-represented in combat positions.

"In contrast, blacks account for 36 percent of Functional Support and Administration and 27 percent of Medical and Dental career fields.

Again the 13 percent of young adults is for men and women.

We aren’t given and I don’t have the numbers for the military break down. We have substantially more females now but its still not 50/50.

7 posted on 01/17/2003 10:24:40 AM PST by MSgt Smith (What are tag lines)
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To: mikenlf
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8 posted on 01/17/2003 8:35:13 PM PST by WomanofStandard
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To: Trueblackman
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9 posted on 01/18/2003 5:41:21 AM PST by backhoe
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To: MSgt Smith
I believe that the percentage is in the high teens for women in the military. Sice they can not serve in Combat Arms, it seems skewed and a much higher % due to the numbers in CS and CSS jobs.
10 posted on 01/18/2003 9:15:22 AM PST by RedlegCPT
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To: Trueblackman
Very interesting analysis. I wonder if the media will report it?

That was a rhetorical question, of course. This report reveals that the military has been remarkably successful integrating black and white soldiers, something that many other institutions have failed to do. That's not what liberals want to hear.

My own personal experience in the army agrees with this. The blacks in our company basically had the same attitudes as the whites, and I never saw any instances of racism. In basic training, most of our sergeants were black, and they were universally respected because they obviously knew their jobs.
11 posted on 01/19/2003 11:42:39 AM PST by Cicero
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To: MSgt Smith
There was an analysis in the Wall Street Journal a couple of weeks ago.

Blacks are slightly overrepresented in the military as a whole, but drastically underrepresented in combat positions (in other words, fewer blacks than whites are likely to have to die for their country). Blacks are generally in support positions (supply, etc.) of one kind or another. There are very, very few blacks in Special Services (2%, if I recall correctly).

This is probably because of educational deficiencies or poor test-taking skills, since people still get into military specialties on the basis of testing and competitive elimination. However, once in, race was taken into consideration in promotion, and every effort was made to promote blacks.
12 posted on 01/19/2003 3:21:32 PM PST by livius
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To: livius
Who cares WHO is over or under represented in the military? It's a VOLUNTEER force. Everyone there CHOSE to be their.
13 posted on 01/19/2003 3:26:07 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: MSgt Smith
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14 posted on 01/19/2003 3:27:38 PM PST by kcvl
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15 posted on 01/19/2003 3:28:17 PM PST by kcvl
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16 posted on 01/19/2003 3:33:03 PM PST by cajun-jack
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To: Republic of Texas
Once again, the Freedom of Choice only applies to killing babies.
17 posted on 01/19/2003 3:41:08 PM PST by gitmo ("The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain." GWB)
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To: Trueblackman
Statistics talk. . .and thankfully, someone has done the math. . .

. . .knowledge is power!

18 posted on 01/19/2003 6:47:11 PM PST by cricket
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