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Blue Movie - The "morality gap" is becoming the key variable in American politics
The Atlantic Monthly ^ | January/February 2003 | Thomas Byrne Edsall

Posted on 01/18/2003 3:00:52 PM PST by Timesink

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1 posted on 01/18/2003 3:00:52 PM PST by Timesink
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2 posted on 01/18/2003 3:02:06 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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3 posted on 01/18/2003 3:04:11 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tag Line Service Center: FREE Tag Line with Every Monthly Donation to FR. Get Yours. Inquire Within)
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To: Timesink
Yikes! I'm a liberal Democrat trapped in a Freeper's body!
4 posted on 01/18/2003 3:08:58 PM PST by billorites
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5 posted on 01/18/2003 3:09:03 PM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac (Oppose Constitutional Verbicide)
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6 posted on 01/18/2003 3:11:09 PM PST by Free the USA (Stooge for the Rich)
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To: Timesink
I've long held that modern Americans vote their sex lives more so than their wallets; seems I was right..
7 posted on 01/18/2003 3:12:37 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Timesink
So this is to say that if Republicans take the approach that the government has no business in individuals bedrooms then we will win all national elections by a landslide.

I can live with that.
8 posted on 01/18/2003 3:15:43 PM PST by MedicalMess
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I've long held that modern Americans vote their sex lives more so than their wallets; seems I was right..

We really can't help it. It's that damn reptilian brain stem buried in the midbrain that does it everytime. In all seriousness, except for "fight or flight" the drive to reproduce is the most powerful controlling agent in our body.

9 posted on 01/18/2003 3:19:30 PM PST by Archangelsk (Losing is never an option.)
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I can live with that.

You may be able to live with that, but I doubt the majority of the conservative base can. :-)

(Not coincidentally, didn't our nation have a similar conversation on another vice back in the 1920s? Prohibition anyone?)

10 posted on 01/18/2003 3:24:26 PM PST by Archangelsk (Losing is never an option.)
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This article is a case where someone takes a massive leap in logic to explain events. Many in the US public backed Clinton in 98 because of the stock market, and even in 2000, Gore was boosted by probably 2% by Americans who had fatter wallets who did not want to "rock the boat".

That aside, one difference between Red state and blue state america is the people in the Red states tend to have more children, like Europe, the blue states dominated by secular humanism, the familes are having few if any, children.

As for immigration, as the Democratic party becomes more hostile towrds religion, and as more conservative Catholic bishops gain more power in the US(The ones who reject the seamless garment of life trash and who put the peace & justice crowd in their place), then many immigrants will vote for the GOP.


Lastly and most importantly, as the filures of secular humanism become more blatant, people are going to have to re asses their views on Christianity.
11 posted on 01/18/2003 3:24:51 PM PST by JNB
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Yikes! I'm a liberal Democrat trapped in a Freeper's body!

That makes two of us.

12 posted on 01/18/2003 3:25:24 PM PST by NewYorker
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Do you believe homosexuality is morally wrong?

Its kinda sick and they seem prone to do bad things.

Do you ever personally look at pornography?

Yes.

Would you look down on someone who had an affair while married?

In most circumstances. Do you believe sex before marriage is morally wrong?

No.

The fifth question was whether religion was very important in the voter's life.

Not organized religion per se.

13 posted on 01/18/2003 3:32:23 PM PST by weikel
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So this is to say that if Republicans take the approach that the government has no business in individuals bedrooms then we will win all national elections by a landslide.

Bump.

14 posted on 01/18/2003 3:33:36 PM PST by weikel
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To: Timesink
BTW race and gender are the biggest indicators. White males middle class or higher almost never vote dem.
15 posted on 01/18/2003 3:35:29 PM PST by weikel
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You may be able to live with that, but I doubt the majority of the conservative base can. :-)

I agree. The conservative base can have just about the entire pie if it gives just a little while the totalitarian intolerant left stands to lose it all. Conservatives need to learn to drawn the line in the sand between the rules of their religion and the things that they should not have any say over because it steps on others personal freedom.

Conservatives need to learn strategy. They need to learn how to be relentless and crush the left. Once you do that you can get more of what you want without opposition.

"Not withdrawl Sir..., Redeploy!"

16 posted on 01/18/2003 3:38:32 PM PST by MedicalMess
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An exact ditto on all your answers, though I think I'm as Republican as I can be.

Maybe what conservatism thrives on is adversity. The easier and softer life gets, the more liberal people become. But notice the spike in church attendance - and support for Bush - when 9/11 scared the bezonkers out of everyone.
17 posted on 01/18/2003 3:43:32 PM PST by hemogoblin
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"Conservatives need to learn to drawn the line in the sand between the rules of their religion and the things that they should not have any say over because it steps on others personal freedom.

Yes, Thank You!!!
Otherwise conservative republicans act like democrats...they both actively want the government to enforce certain codes and standards...they just differ on "what" those codes and standards are.

18 posted on 01/18/2003 3:51:53 PM PST by Katya
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Yikes! I'm a liberal Democrat trapped in a Freeper's body!

There is a lot of that going around. Caught it myself.

So9

19 posted on 01/18/2003 3:55:15 PM PST by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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I do not really buy the writer's hypothesis. On the other hand, I have no basis for questioning his statistics.

My dubious response if premised rather on the fact that I see Republican clumsiness, rather than the moral issues, per se, as a major factor in these reactions. Had we had more skilled spokesmen, who understood what is really essential and what is not, in terms of traditional sexual values, and discussed the underlying issues from that vantage point, many who reacted negatively to what they saw as a repressive attitude, would not have done so.

It is too late to go into this at great length at this time. My own views on sex and sexual conduct are reflected in my writing; and while on the surface may seem too liberal for some of my fellow Conservatives; properly understood, are really more Conservative than almost anyone else's. (See, for example, The Feminist Absurdity, for example.)

Let me, however, for the sake of brevity, simply suggest what the Republican response to the five inquiries should have been:

Do you believe homosexuality is morally wrong?

Most certainly. However, I do not believe it to be the function of Government to go out of its way to harass people suspected of certain private practices with other adults. On the other hand, we cannot accept the studied campaign in the media and entertainment industry, to make us accept homosexuality as normal. [Put the emphasis where it should be, on who is actually picking on whom there.]

Do you ever personally look at pornography?

My viewing habits, as yours, are no one's business but my own. However, I think Society does need to act to protect children obtaining distorted images, at ages when they have no basis on which to judge or really understand what they are seeing. Society has always acted to protect the innocent, and that means some strictures on what may be shown where and to whom.

Would you look down on someone who had an affair while married?

I ascribe to the policy of trying not to judge the personal lives of other people, where their actions do not involve me. As a gentleman, I really do not want to know anything which could compromise the reputation of any woman (whether wife or mistress). That does not mean that I approve of particular conduct. It does mean that I believe in a non-judgmental privacy. What the media appear to be promoting, of course, is a whole other subject.

Do you believe sex before marriage is morally wrong?

I am not a hypocrite. Nor have I ever judged the girls who accommodate bachelors by a harsher judgment than those bachelors. On the other hand, there are valid moral reasons for a double standard, which reflect both natural and moral concerns--both as to the birth of children and the strength of the marital institution--which is vital to a healthy society. It is just not for me to be judgmental of any individual. (On the other hand, I take a very negative view of people having children out of wedlock, and expecting others to support them.)

The fifth question was whether religion was very important in the voter's life.

Yes. But I do not judge those, who feel that they cannot believe strongly in anything they cannot see.

I realize that my answers will seem a gross "cop out" to some. But they reflect not only my personal tolerance, but an understanding of where Government in a free society can and cannot go. I can assure you, also, because they are indeed my responses, that I have no problem with expressing them and explaining them to those whom the writer suggests would otherwise reject the more Conservative candidate.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

20 posted on 01/18/2003 3:56:25 PM PST by Ohioan
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