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Man as old as Coal? (Why are the test results dismissed without reason?)
Ed Conrad web site ^ | VARIOUS - FR post 1-15-03 | Ed Conrad

Posted on 01/20/2003 2:55:58 PM PST by vannrox

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To: *crevo_list
Pinging the crank-watchers.
21 posted on 01/20/2003 5:21:30 PM PST by Dan Day
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To: Lael
much like those Dinosaur foot prints mingled with Humanoid ones in that riverbed in Texas.

You mean the long since discredited ones in the Paluxy riverbed?

see: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html

22 posted on 01/20/2003 5:21:36 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Physicist
The real miracle is that Ed Conrad hasn't registered as a Freeper, yet

ROTFLMAO!

23 posted on 01/20/2003 5:23:15 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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ANCIENT MAN - 2

Your ancestors have been found, and they were human beings. Here is more information about them. Evolutionary theory is a myth. This is science vs. evolution—a Creation-Evolution Encyclopedia, brought to you by Creation Science Facts.

CONTENT: Ancient Man - 2

Early Man - Here are facts about some real people who lived in the past
Human Footprints - Large man-made footprints from ancient times
Remains in Coal and Rock - Did you know that man-made objects have been found in coal, rock, and other things?

Page numbers without book references refer to the book, ANCIENT MAN, from which these facts are summarized. An asterisk ( * ) by a name indicates that person is not known to be a creationist. Of over 4,000 quotations in the set of books this Encyclopedia is based on (see order sheet), only 164 statements are by creationists.

EARLY MAN

After more than a century spent trying to figure out people, the experts still declare that all the races of man belong to only one species. Regarding the dates concerning mankind, evolutionists speculate that humans have lived here for one to three million yearsand then, suddenly, stopped evolving 100,000 years ago.

Yet actual historical dates go back less than 5,000 years. Using historical, archaeological, and astronomical data, dates for early mankind extend to about 2250 B.C.

But using results of the notoriously inaccurate carbon 14 dating system, the earliest dates for mankind extend back about 15,000 years.

Let us now consider some actual evidence of early people on our planet.

We will find they were real human beings. And where they were located disproves evolutionary theories.—p. 27.

The Guadeloupe woman. In 1812, on the Caribbean island of Guadeloupe, a fully human skeleton was found, lacking only the head and feet. It was found inside extremely hard, very old limestone, which was part of a formation over a mile in length.

In accordance with their theory, evolutionists date that rock at 25 million years! You will not find the Guadeloupe woman mentioned in the textbooks, since this find would disprove evolutionary strata dating.—p. 29.

The Caveras skull. In 1876, 130 feet below ground, a skull was found in the "2 million-year-old" Pliocene strata. It was certified as completely mineralized, yet totally human. Dozens of stone mortars, bowls, and other man-made artifacts were found near this skull.—p. 29.

The Castinedolo skull. A group of perfectly human ancient skulls were found in Castinedolo, Italy, and, with the Caveras Skull, are considered among the most ancient skulls. Yet they are perfectly human.—p. 29.

The Moab Skeletons. Two skeletons were found in Cretaceous rock (supposedly dated at 100 million years) in Moab, Utah, about 15 feet below the surface.

Both skeletons were definitely human and ancient. They had been undisturbed till they were found. When tested for age, they were only a few thousand years old.—pp. 29-30.

HUMAN FOOTPRINTS

Evolutionists theorize that man did not evolve until the late Tertiary Period, and cannot be over one to three million years old.

But human footprints have been found in very old rock strata. These are human footprints, not ape prints. (Apes have very different footprints and styles of walking.)

These prints disprove evolutionary theories about rock strata—and reveal it is quite young, and place dinosaurs as living at the same time when people did. The prints also reveal that giants once lived on our planet.—p. 30.

Laetoli tracks. At a site in Kenya, called Laetoli, 30 miles south of Olduvai Gorge, Mary Leakey discovered human footprints in 1977. Although some evolutionists reject them as human, other scientists recognize them to be clearly human—and therefore date those who made the tracks to be 3.75 million years ago. But evolutionists teach that no people lived back then.

At about the same time, Mary Leakey and Dr. Johanson found human teeth and jawbones from around the same 3.75 million-year period.—pp. 30-31.

The Gediz track. A footprint found in volcanic ash, near Demirkopru, Turkey, was found in 1970. The track of a running man was found in strata dated by evolutionists at 250,000 years in the past.—p. 31.

The Glen Rose tracks. A remarkable number of human tracks have been found in a Cretaceous limestone formation near Glen Rose, Texas. Many are of giant men. The prints have been found in the bed of Paluxy River, when it is dry in the summer. Some are next to, on top of, or under dinosaur tracks.

The Glen Rose tracks are 15 inches long [38.1 cm], and were probably made by people 8.3 feet [25,38 dm] tall. Some, 21½ inches [54.6 cm] long, would have been made by people 11.8 feet [25.38 dm] tall.

*R.T. Bird, a paleontologist with the American Museum of Natural History, also found a trail of Brontosaurus tracks which were shipped to the museum. That means people were alive when the dinosaurs were! Some human tracks overlaid the dinosaur tracks, and some were found in layers below the dinosaurs.—pp. 31-32.

The Paluxy Branch. In August 1978, Fred Beierie spent the afternoon searching for tracks in the Paluxy riverbed. He found a tree branch encased in Cretaceous stone, with only the upper part showing. So it was as old as the tracks.

Beierie sent a sample of the wood to *Reisner Berg of UCLA, who tested it by radiodating at 12,800 years. Corrected, it would yield a date agreeing with the Flood. (Carbon 14 dating tends to skew toward greater age on older dates, because of atmospheric differences back then. See Dating of Time in Evolution for details.)

That would date both the giants and the dinosaurs as being recent.—p. 32.

Antelope Springs tracks. In June 1968, *William J. Meister, Sr., an evolutionist, was searching for trilobite fossils in the mountains of Utah. Splitting a piece of rock in two, he found inside a human footprint stepping on trilobites. The human was wearing a sandal!

Thoroughly shaken, he took other men back who confirmed it and found still more, including some with sandals stepping on trilobites.

As a result, Meister became a Christian. The strata was primarily Cambrian, which is supposed to be the oldest on the planet.—pp. 32-33.

The Alamogordo tracks. Near Alamogordo, New Mexico, 13 giant tracks, each about 22 inches [55.8 cm] long were found. The stride is from four to five feet [121.9-152.4 cm].—p. 33.

The Arizona tracks. Tracks of a barefoot human child were found, in the late 1960s, alongside some dinosaur tracks. The location was the Moenkopi Wash, near the little Colorado River in northern Arizona.

In 1984, similar tracks were found not far from the Moenkopi site. Many human tracks, dinosaur tracks, and a handprint of a child that had fallen.

More adult tracks were found in 1986.

The Arizona tracks are located in the Glen Canyon geological Group, which is part of late Triassic to early Jurassic strata and supposedly 175 to 100 million years old.

In addition to 300 tridactyle dinosaur tracks, sheep tracks, bivalve prints, large amphibian and lungfish marks have been found. Over 60 human tracks have been mapped and photographed.—pp. 33-34.

Other human prints. Many other human footprints have been found, which we will not mention here.—p. 34.

Other giant people. The skeletal remains of giants have also been found. Giants, twice the size of gorillas, were found in Java.

The petrified remains of a giant were found in South Africa. A well-known anthropologist declared that these remains showed that man's ancestors must have been giants.—p. 33.

REMAINS IN COAL AND ROCK

Human remains and man-made objects have been found in coal and rock—where they should not be found. The evidence disproves evolutionary theories about the age of rock strata. As far back as we can trace, people were people. They were not apes.

Human remains in coal. A fossilized human skull was found in coal that was sold in Germany (mid-1800s). A jawbone of a child was found in coal in Tuscany (1958). Two giant human molars were found in Montana (1926). A human leg was found by a West Virginia coal miner. It had changed into coal.—pp. 34-35.

Man-made objects in coal. A lady, in Illinois, found a gold chain in a chunk of coal which broke open (1891). A small steel cube was found in a block of coal in Austria (1885). An iron pot was found in coal in Oklahoma (1912). A woman found a child's spoon in coal (1937).—p. 35.

Man-made objects in rock. An iron nail was found in a Cretaceous block from the Mesozoic era (mid-1800s). A gold thread was found in stone in England (1844). An iron nail was found in quartz in California (1851). A silver vessel was found in solid rock in Massachusetts (1851). The mold of a metal screw was found in a chunk of feldspar (1851). An intricately carved and inlaid metal bowl was found in solid rock (1852). An iron nail was found in rock in a Peruvian mine by Spanish conquistadores (1572).—pp. 35-36.

Man-made objects found in the ground. A doll was found near Nampa, Idaho (1889). A bronze coin was found 114 feet below the surface near Chillicothe, Illinois (1871). This means there were coins in ancient times in America! A paving tile was found in a "25 million-year-old" Miocene formation in Plauteau City, Colorado (1936).

Several discoveries were made during the California gold rush (1849-1850s). A prehistoric mining shaft, 210 feet [640 dm] below the surface in solid rock was found. A mortar for grinding gold ore was found at a depth of 300 feet [914 dm] in a mining tunnel. A human skull was also found at a depth of 130 feet [396 dm] under five beds of lava and tufa. Bones of camels, rhinoceroses, hippopotamuses, horses, and other animals were also found in California. The findings are almost always in gold-bearing rock or gravel.

Man-made markings on petrified wood. Evolutionists declare that petrified wood is millions of year old, yet humans have worked with it.

Hand-worked petrified wood was found in India. It was shaped prior to fossilization.

Prior to mineralization, several petrified pieces of wood had been hacked with a cutting tool. The wood was dated to the Pliocene Epoch, before humans were supposed to have lived.—p. 36.

Man-made markings on bones. At a site near Paris, France, fossilized rhinoceros bones had human cutting marks on them. No rhinos have been in Europe in recorded history. Another rhino bone, cut by a sharp tool, was found in Ireland.

Two saurian bones were found in a Jurassic deposit.—pp. 36-37.

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24 posted on 01/20/2003 5:39:03 PM PST by vannrox (The Preamble - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: vannrox
Permit me to revise your title:

Original: Man as Old as Coal?. Revised: Man Dumb as Rocks?

25 posted on 01/20/2003 5:41:17 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Purity of essence!)
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To: vannrox
From Pathlights.com: "A science-fiction writer, *George Gamow, led out in promoting it to the scientific community"

Science fiction writer? You may want to rethink who you pull your "facts" from:

George Gamow: http://spot.colorado.edu/~gamow/george/prof_life.html
26 posted on 01/20/2003 6:00:56 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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Science fiction writer? You may want to rethink who you pull your "facts" from:

Gamow; a "science fiction writer"?????

LMAO!

You know the story about how he got roped into putting his name on a paper along with Hans Bethe and Alpher, don't you?

The "authors" read: "Alpher, Bethe, Gamow"

(geek humor alert)

Entirely true, though.

27 posted on 01/20/2003 6:17:22 PM PST by longshadow
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To: RadioAstronomer
bump for later read
28 posted on 01/20/2003 6:23:34 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: vannrox
The first picture resembles a human skull. On the other hand, I have seen rocks that resemble all sorts of things. Clouds tend to do that too.

After the first picture, it goes downhill. I can't imagine how he sees anything unusual in most of those pictures.

29 posted on 01/20/2003 6:25:11 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: longshadow
The "authors" read: "Alpher, Bethe, Gamow"

Yup, I still get a chuckle every time I see that :-)

30 posted on 01/20/2003 6:36:54 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: longshadow
Gamow was a real author, but physicist Hans Bethe had to be roped in.
This theory is sometimes called the Alpher-Bethe-Gamow theory, Gamow having added Hans Bethe's name to the paper so that this theory of cosmogenesis would be associated with three men whose names approximate the first three letters of the Greek alphabet.
George Gamow (b. March 4, 1904, Odessa, Russia [now in Ukraine]--d. Aug. 19, 1968, Boulder, Colo., U.S.). (Not an SF writer.)
31 posted on 01/20/2003 6:55:00 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
End-of-session placemarker.
32 posted on 01/20/2003 7:13:36 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Purity of essence!)
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To: Dan Day
From your link, Andrew MacRae

Ed and Ted's claims:

You can read the details of the claims being made for these fossils at: 'human bones in Carboniferous-age rocks". Basically, they can be summarized as three key claims:

By examining specimens, only the first two claims can be tested. Even if the specimens are fossil bone (#1), and are human (#2), Ted and Ed would still have to fully document the geologic context for these specimens (#3) before their claims would be fully substantiated. The importance of this can not be overemphasized -- fossil human bone without unambiguous, detailed, irrefutable documentation of the collection point of the same specimen (not just any specimen) is an absolute requirement. Without this, the isolated specimens are worthless for demonstrating the case even if they are fossil human bone.

Ted makes additional claims, but they implicitly depend upon the validity of the ones stated above.

I'm still waiting for the full geologic context for a lot of these claims, but I'm not holding my breath.

33 posted on 01/20/2003 7:27:06 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: vannrox
Interesting question. Have there been any studies or attempts to duplicate in a laboratory the rate of mineralization of bone? One could perhaps vary the nature and concentration of different salts and vary the temperature and pressure using; say, cow bones. Any rate just a question to those who have knowledge of such things. I've asked some geologist acquaintances-(more practical geoligist types oil soils etc.)-and they did not know.
34 posted on 01/20/2003 7:29:59 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: longshadow
You know the story about how he got roped into putting his name on a paper along with Hans Bethe and Alpher, don't you?

Actually, it was Gamow's idea. Gamow and Alpher wrote a paper and Gamow, on an impish whim, put Bethe's name on it, with the affiliation "in absentia".

Many people at the time took the paper as a joke because of the names, but it wasn't: the paper was one of the most important of the 20th century, the first on Big Bang nucleosynthesis.

35 posted on 01/20/2003 7:43:16 PM PST by Physicist
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Paul, the photo you snapped is definitely semi-humanoid. It is a picture of a typical hard-headed, flint-hearted resident of New Hampshire.

We are familiar with them, because like the moose, for whom the better looking residents of New Hampshire (pro. "NAM-sha")are often mistaken on dark nights, they often wander into our state.

36 posted on 01/20/2003 7:45:51 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: Dan Day
Granules that were removed from the specimen resembling a human skull embedded in the boulder reveal Haversian canals, the telltale indicator of bone.

Wait a tick...don't skull bones form by intramembranous ossification??? That would mean there would be NO evidence of Haversian Canals in fossilized skulls...hmmm.

37 posted on 01/20/2003 7:46:40 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: Physicist
Actually, it was Gamow's idea. Gamow and Alpher wrote a paper and Gamow, on an impish whim, put Bethe's name on it, with the affiliation "in absentia".

Many people at the time took the paper as a joke because of the names, but it wasn't: the paper was one of the most important of the 20th century, the first on Big Bang nucleosynthesis.

Very cool.

Thanks for filling in "the rest of the story!"

38 posted on 01/20/2003 8:06:26 PM PST by longshadow
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To: Dan Day
I wish I was 1/1000th of the freeper that you are my friend. Good one.
39 posted on 01/20/2003 8:23:59 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Piltdown_Woman
Wait a tick...don't skull bones form by intramembranous ossification???

Ha! Back in the Coal Age diploic spaces were commonly known as Haversian canals.

40 posted on 01/20/2003 8:29:30 PM PST by Nebullis
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