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Four Marines Killed In Helicopter Crash In South Texas
MSNBC

Posted on 01/23/2003 4:32:56 AM PST by leadpenny

Breaking News at the bottom of the screen. No on-air report.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: borderpatrol; drugskill; marines; militarizedborder; usmc; wod

1 posted on 01/23/2003 4:32:56 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
FOX news reports that they were assisting the border patrol when it crashed.
2 posted on 01/23/2003 4:34:44 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (YATTA!)
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3 posted on 01/23/2003 4:38:09 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
On MSNBC - two Super Cobras on drug patrol.
4 posted on 01/23/2003 4:38:48 AM PST by StriperSniper (Start heating the TAR, I'll go get the FEATHERS.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Where's Congressman Tancredo? This tells me the military is on the border...
5 posted on 01/23/2003 4:40:33 AM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: StriperSniper
This is a horrible loss.
6 posted on 01/23/2003 4:42:10 AM PST by leadpenny ($62,944, whose dollar is going to put it over the top?)
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To: leadpenny
What a horrible loss! Why are there so many military helicopter crashes?
7 posted on 01/23/2003 4:44:56 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Dante3
At the risk of speculation, I would say they were using night vision devices and not using running lights.
8 posted on 01/23/2003 4:47:50 AM PST by leadpenny ($62,944, whose dollar is going to put it over the top?)
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To: leadpenny
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-01-23-copter-crash_x.htm

Two helicopters crash along Texas-Mexico border

FALCON HEIGHTS, Texas (AP) — Two Marine helicopters went down overnight along the Texas-Mexico border and authorities did not expect to find any survivors.

The crash of the AH1W Super Cobra helicopters occurred at Falcon State Park in far South Texas, near the Rio Grande.

Each helicopter carried a crew of two, officials said.

They said the helicopter crews were helping the U.S. Border Patrol in a drug trafficking case when the crash occurred about 9:30 p.m. Wednesday.

The helicopter crews were based in Camp Pendleton, Calif., but were operating out of Fort Bliss, an Army Post in far West Texas.


9 posted on 01/23/2003 4:48:27 AM PST by KS Flyover
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To: KS Flyover
Thank you. They are not saying it but it would seem as though it was a mid-air.
10 posted on 01/23/2003 4:51:53 AM PST by leadpenny ($62,944, whose dollar is going to put it over the top?)
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To: KS Flyover
They said the helicopter crews were helping the U.S. Border Patrol in a drug trafficking case when the crash occurred about 9:30 p.m. Wednesday.

These choppers are equipped with very nice infra-red night vision gear, probably why they were being used for surveillance.

I am saddened by the loss of these fine, patriotic Marines.

11 posted on 01/23/2003 4:55:33 AM PST by LibKill (ColdWarrior. I stood the watch.)
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To: leadpenny
I live about 30 miles north of falcon heights and have been watching the choppers for the last few days great loss to Texas and America.
12 posted on 01/23/2003 5:32:59 AM PST by solo gringo
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To: solo gringo
Do you know any more about this? Any local TV/radio reports?
13 posted on 01/23/2003 5:40:36 AM PST by leadpenny ($62,944, whose dollar is going to put it over the top?)
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To: solo gringo
”I live about 30 miles north of falcon heights …”

That explains your screen name. Sounds like an interesting place.

14 posted on 01/23/2003 5:41:43 AM PST by elfman2
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To: solo gringo
MSNBC just showed some footage from the area. Heavy equipment and police vehicles moving into the area.
15 posted on 01/23/2003 5:46:03 AM PST by leadpenny ($62,944, whose dollar is going to put it over the top?)
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To: marajade
Where's Congressman Tancredo? This tells me the military is on the border...>>>>>>>>>>>


I'm sure Tom is in DC still after more security/military
on our borders, which is obvisously needed......

Unless you want to fight/fund some halfast "war on terror"
for the next thirty years........did we finally win our
halfast, 30 year, "war on drugs"?

(thoughts & prayers to these Marines and their families,
and to all trying to protect our borders.)
16 posted on 01/23/2003 5:55:22 AM PST by txdoda
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To: solo gringo
Looks like the drug runners are taking over most of the
U.S Parks along the southern border.
17 posted on 01/23/2003 6:02:32 AM PST by txdoda
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To: solo gringo
Jim Miklaszewski, MSNBC, said the helicopters collided. They were part of Task Force 6.
18 posted on 01/23/2003 6:03:38 AM PST by leadpenny ($62,944, whose dollar is going to put it over the top?)
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To: leadpenny
Oh wow how sad .. prayers to all on board and their families
19 posted on 01/23/2003 6:05:13 AM PST by Mo1 (Support Free Republic and become a Monthly Donor)
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To: leadpenny
It is likely that these troops were engaged in border defense/interdiction because the Treaty of Guadelupe(Mexiccan War) Hidalgo prohibited the use of US Army personnel in the border region. Since these Marines are "naval" personnel their actions satisfy the provisions of the agreement. Marines have been interdicting drugs on Mexican border for some time. Good thoughts and prayers to the families of the fallen. Semper fi Marines.
20 posted on 01/23/2003 6:17:31 AM PST by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: CharlesThe Hammer
That would explain why the Marines were working so far from their base at Camp Pendelton and out of Ft. Bliss, TX.
21 posted on 01/23/2003 6:27:30 AM PST by leadpenny ($62,944, whose dollar is going to put it over the top?)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer
That's a correct distinction not often noted these days.

Now, has anyone considered that they might have taken fire or been avoiding fire?

If Solo Gringo is still on...
Has there been any kind of skirmishing down there? Marines or otherwise?

22 posted on 01/23/2003 6:31:29 AM PST by norton
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To: norton
Has there been any kind of skirmishing down there? Marines or otherwise?>>>>>>>>

I'm in TX.....I know DEA usually spends more time along the
border after "harvest time".

I watched late TX news last night, and was on the 'puter
too. I find it a little strange this happened at 9:30
last night and we didn't hear about it until 6:30 this AM.
Dallas news starts at 5:00 AM
23 posted on 01/23/2003 6:43:42 AM PST by txdoda
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Assisting the Border Patrol? Wow! This is news in more ways than one!
24 posted on 01/23/2003 6:45:04 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: txdoda
Could it be because there was no distress call and the crash site was not located until this AM?

Here is what I don't understand: AH-1W's with all the IR and night vision devices seems like an expensive asset to be used for this activity. I'm not familiar with the mission, tactics or territory, but wouldn't something like the unmanned Predator drones be ideal for this type thing?

25 posted on 01/23/2003 6:48:36 AM PST by leadpenny ($62,944, whose dollar is going to put it over the top?)
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To: Dante3
RE post 7: The reason they have accidents is because they don't get proper flight time training. This has been the history of the military. X42 spent all training money on foreign intervention, and that may be what is going on now.
26 posted on 01/23/2003 6:48:44 AM PST by southland
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To: elfman2
Just back from checking the livestock.Yes our english lango is not spoken very close or often.But we are the second line of the gaurd here in my area.in fifteen years we have reported about 9 hundred sighting of funnie business.
27 posted on 01/23/2003 7:01:04 AM PST by solo gringo
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To: leadpenny
Could it be because there was no distress call and the crash site was not located until this AM?>>>>>>

Two choppers *lost* for hours....hopefully, DEA & BP are
better equipped than that......

They say lots of drugs are moved at night, so I'm sure
both DEA and BP are equipped with night vision devices.

I'm not close to the border......maybe "solo gringo" will
be back with some local news soon...
28 posted on 01/23/2003 7:02:39 AM PST by txdoda
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To: leadpenny
Tried to reach my kin folks that live in the village but no answer.will report any news i hear.
29 posted on 01/23/2003 7:02:56 AM PST by solo gringo
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To: txdoda
They haven't yet but they keep trying.
30 posted on 01/23/2003 7:04:26 AM PST by solo gringo
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To: leadpenny
These choppers are doing a great job.We hear and see them at nite because there is no city lites to get glare.We feel safe with them here.
31 posted on 01/23/2003 7:07:53 AM PST by solo gringo
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To: solo gringo
fifteen years we have reported about 9 hundred sighting of funnie business. >>>>>>>>>

sheeesh...that's about two a month, every month, and your
about 40 miles from the border ???

Any more "local news" ?? What time did you hear about this
accident??
32 posted on 01/23/2003 7:11:35 AM PST by txdoda
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To: txdoda
We heard the choppers shut down about 10.30 to 11.00pm last nite thought they were finished with thier flights butt!!!!
33 posted on 01/23/2003 7:15:39 AM PST by solo gringo
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To: solo gringo
Will be out of pocket for a while.
34 posted on 01/23/2003 7:17:44 AM PST by solo gringo
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To: leadpenny
Prayers for those brave Marines and their grieving families.
35 posted on 01/23/2003 7:23:39 AM PST by Inspectorette
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To: leadpenny
Mid air collisions between Cobras at night are very rare. How rare? I can't remember the last one.
Semper Fi
36 posted on 01/23/2003 7:29:30 AM PST by usmcobra
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To: leadpenny
The Border Patrol has used Marine Cobras several times in the past. They are used for drug interdiction as well as locating illegals crossing the border. RPV's or drones have been used as well.
37 posted on 01/23/2003 8:05:46 AM PST by Ajnin
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To: Ajnin
I'm not a big fan of placing the military on the border. However, when used in passive enforcement like we see with the use of Marine Cobras, I'm all for it.
38 posted on 01/23/2003 8:09:40 AM PST by Ajnin
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To: Ajnin
I'm not a big fan of placing the military on the border. However, when used in passive enforcement like we see with the use of Marine Cobras, I'm all for it.>>>>>>>>

Oh YES.....look how GOOD are "passive enforcement" of the borders has worked on our 30 year "war on drugs"....If we
maintain this same "passive enforcement" of our borders for the "war on terror", for the next 30 years (???), the USA
will then have a TERRORIST selling DRUGS on every street corner.....




40 posted on 01/23/2003 9:59:12 AM PST by txdoda
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To: marajade
They are on the border, but not doing what they should be doing. The military should not be involved in the police work of fighting drugs. They should, however, be deployed to protect our borders. Unfortunately, nobody seems to care about that.
41 posted on 01/23/2003 10:20:23 AM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: leadpenny
Like looking thru toilet-paper tubes. It doesn't help when you're focused on the ground, and you don't have a bunch of aircrew eyeballs keeping you out of trouble.
42 posted on 01/23/2003 11:29:09 AM PST by RedQuill
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To: southland
RE post 7: The reason they have accidents is because they don't get proper flight time training. This has been the history of the military. X42 spent all training money on foreign intervention, and that may be what is going on now.

Another excellent point. I was USN, and from the Gulf War on, I was lucky to get five hours of flying a week, and 5 hours of night time a month. Under GHWB, we started losing money for training & maintenance, but under Clinton we BLED.

43 posted on 01/23/2003 11:42:49 AM PST by RedQuill
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To: RedQuill
Clarification: I should have said "AFTER the Gulf War".
44 posted on 01/23/2003 11:44:16 AM PST by RedQuill
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