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Parents shocked after scout camp features Nazis chasing Jews
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Posted on 01/23/2003 11:27:11 AM PST by freepatriot32

COPENHAGEN, Denmark - Parents of more than 100 Danish scouts were outraged over a game of tag at a scout camp in which children acted as Jews wearing yellow Stars of David and tried to escape from adults pretending to be Nazis.

The group of about 160 scouts, aged 11-14, included a dozen teenagers from the Danish-speaking minority in northern Germany. The school yard was turned into a concentration camp with swastikas on the windows.

"I was shocked," Johanna Christiansen, a German woman, told the Ekstra Bladet newspaper on Thursday.

"It's wrong to expose children to this," said Christiansen, whose two daughters took part.

The local branch of the Danish Christian FDF scout organization organized the game last weekend at the Kongeaadal school, 260 kilometers (160 miles) southwest of Copenhagen.

Jes Imer of the local FDF chapter told the tabloid B.T. that they "may have crossed the line this time with a night game where Nazis chase Jews."

The school yard included a sign with the German words "Arbeit macht frei," or "Work will set you free," the infamous inscription over the entrance to the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland.

"I don't know whether I should apologize," Imer told B.T., adding "I didn't want the game to hurt anyone."

None of those involved could be reached for further comment


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; Israel; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antisemetism; camp; chasing; jews; nazis; parents; shocked; tag

1 posted on 01/23/2003 11:27:11 AM PST by freepatriot32
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To: freepatriot32
Sad, considering that the Danes bravely resisted Nazi attempts to deport Danish Jews to Auschwitz, most escaped to Sweden.
2 posted on 01/23/2003 11:31:10 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: freepatriot32
"I was shocked," Johanna Christiansen, a German woman, told the Ekstra Bladet newspaper...

Shocked? Then she was surely the only European that is shocked over their anti-semitism, or perhaps has just awoken from a coma.
THIS is the elightened Euro-elite mindset that the Demoncrats in America think we should emulate.
And any American Jew that is a Democrat ought to be ashamed of themselves.
That Rabbi in DC yesterday had Lieberman down to a T.

3 posted on 01/23/2003 11:33:41 AM PST by Psalm 73
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To: freepatriot32
If the kids are doing this, they are mirroring their parents and culture. Weren't the Danes recently involved officially in some sort of Israeli boycott?
What is it? Scratch a scandinavian, get a Nazi?
Europe seems to be losing its collective grip on reality and sense again.
4 posted on 01/23/2003 11:35:31 AM PST by JeeperFreeper
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5 posted on 01/23/2003 11:36:55 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: freepatriot32
The public persona is that Europe is a moral wasteland. I would hope that most private opinions differ from what we see in public. Sadly the hidden thoughts are probably worse than what you see in public.

I thought the leader would come up with some flimsey excuse. Instead he owns up to it and admits, "I may have made a mistake." MAY???

Is this a Darwin award candidate? He gets my vote.

6 posted on 01/23/2003 11:38:46 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: JeeperFreeper
The Rescue of Danish Jews.
7 posted on 01/23/2003 11:44:53 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: freepatriot32
Fuck*ing sick. These Europeans are beyond disgusting. What planet are they on?
8 posted on 01/23/2003 11:46:18 AM PST by ConservativeConvert
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To: freepatriot32
Somehow, the word "tasteless" just falls appallingly short.
9 posted on 01/23/2003 11:48:55 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: freepatriot32
Earlier today we had freepers exclaming that femanazis "joking" about eating babies was just a "little sarcastic type levity" that we "all" engage in from time to time....
Here is some more of the same?
The downfall of sinfull man awaitng God's just punishment...a wretched race us-
10 posted on 01/23/2003 11:52:27 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: freepatriot32
Well, turnabout is fair play. Let's start kids games called "Dresden", D-Day, Nuremburg, and Patton meets Rommell.

11 posted on 01/23/2003 11:52:33 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum
I'm sure the lefties would be more outraged at children playing "Cowboys and Indians."
12 posted on 01/23/2003 11:53:56 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Sad, considering that the Danes bravely resisted Nazi attempts to deport Danish Jews to Auschwitz, most escaped to Sweden.

10,000 Danes also volunteered to join the SS Freikorps Danmark...

14 posted on 01/23/2003 11:57:20 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: freepatriot32
It doesn't say as much, but what I'm wondering, could this have been an exercise to show the kids what it was like to be Jewish in the Nazi era? Perhaps the adults, being stronger and in charge,were illustrating what it must have been like to be hunted and imprisoned. It could have been quite frightening for the kids. Let me say that this is the only instance, though still in bad taste, that could be excused.
15 posted on 01/23/2003 12:02:06 PM PST by PaulJ
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To: dfwgator
If I remember correctly not only did the Danes smuggle over $7,500 Jews to Sweden, but everybody in Denmark wore the yellow Star Jews were ordered to wear by the Nazis. It was an act that saved many and was incredibly corageous.
16 posted on 01/23/2003 12:07:37 PM PST by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
As I also recall there was a German SS Officer based in Denmark who tipped off the Danish underground so that Rabbis could warn the Jews exactly when the Nazis were going to round up the Jews. As a result many of the Jews were able to hide and avoid the trip to the gas chambers.
18 posted on 01/23/2003 12:23:51 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: wingnuts'nbolts
The Escape of the Danish Jews to Sweden during WW2

By Ole Kreiberg

The 50 anniversary of the of escape of the 7000 Danish Jews in October 1943 to Sweden was celebrated by the American Jews. According to the American Jews it was the whole Danish people and nation that out of some kind of "heroism" saved the Jews. As a Gentile Dane I find this embarrassing and nauseating.

When this event is mentioned it is often forgotten how much money "heroic" Danes received for their effort. An example from the book, October 1943 by the former anti-German resistance leader Aage Berthelsen page 67-69 shows that a skipper received 100,000 DKr (app. US$ 16,000) for sailing 230 Jews to Sweden the night between the 8th and 9th October 1943. Exactly how much this sum of money corresponds to today after 50 years of inflation I am not sure, but in 1943 a skilled worker in Denmark earned around 5,000DKR (app. US$ 800) per year. The skipper had bought the boat for 25,000 DKr (app. US$ 4,000). This means that he received 4 times the value of the boat for a single trip over the narrow sound between Denmark and Sweden. Because the engine of the boat was not able to start that night a "heroic" fishing boat skipper scored further 17,000 DKr (app. US$ 2,600) for towing the boat to Sweden.

http://www.patriot.dk/escape.html Beside the Jew transportations many Danes also earned well on deliveries of war material, provisions etc. to the Germans. In fact Denmark had the highest standard of living among all the countries in Europe involved in the war including Germany.

19 posted on 01/23/2003 12:38:23 PM PST by Nachum
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To: RoughDobermann
10,000 Danes also volunteered to join the SS ...

So did Norwegians, Swedes and other Europeans.  But don't smear their motives.  They joined to fight against Russian Marxism which was a genuine threat to their borders, as it was to Germanys.

20 posted on 01/23/2003 12:48:42 PM PST by DensaMensa (WW2 is far more complex than can be represented on a bumper sticker.)
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To: JeeperFreeper
What is it? Scratch a scandinavian, get a Nazi?

No, it is a cheap shot smear on your part.

21 posted on 01/23/2003 12:51:14 PM PST by DensaMensa (WW2 is far more complex than can be represented on a bumper sticker.)
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To: DensaMensa
So did Norwegians, Swedes and other Europeans. But don't smear their motives. They joined to fight against Russian Marxism which was a genuine threat to their borders, as it was to Germanys.

Yes, I know. Most European nations contributed to different divisions of the Waffen SS. They also tried to recruit American and British POWs with very poor results. Personally, I don't care what their motives were. IMO, they collaborated with their enemies while the Germans occupied their home countries. And I'm smearing their motives? A traitor is a traitor, motive or not...

22 posted on 01/23/2003 1:00:49 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: DensaMensa
"They joined to fight against Russian Marxism which was a genuine threat to their borders, as it was to Germanys."

True. However, Germans were ultimately not fighting against Russian Marxism. Their goal was to colonize European Russia and to exterminate or deport the existing the Slavic population.

23 posted on 01/23/2003 1:02:34 PM PST by Truthsayer20
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To: freepatriot32
Yet another example of the growing anti-Semitism in Europe, some of which is creeping up on communities without them noticing.
25 posted on 01/23/2003 1:23:43 PM PST by yonif
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To: freepatriot32
Parents of more than 100 Danish scouts were outraged over a game of tag at a scout camp in which children acted as Jews wearing yellow Stars of David and tried to escape from adults pretending to be Nazis

Such an obsolete game! They should have acted as Jews trying to escape children pretending to be Palestinian suicide bombers.....

26 posted on 01/23/2003 1:25:15 PM PST by freebilly (Why do Republicans play hardball like little girls...?)
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To: Truthsayer20
}... don't smear their motives.  They joined to fight against Russian Marxism which was a genuine threat to their borders, as it was to Germanys.

True. However, Germans were ultimately not fighting against Russian Marxism. Their goal was to colonize European Russia and to exterminate or deport the existing the Slavic population.

The "ultimately" approach puts far too heavy a burden on those who were fighting against Marxist Communists wherever they found them and falls into the "wisdom of hindsight" category rather than objective analysis.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend, at least during THIS battle.

27 posted on 01/23/2003 1:31:16 PM PST by DensaMensa (WW2 is far too complex to put a bumper sticker.)
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To: freepatriot32
The school yard was turned into a concentration camp with swastikas on the windows.

Life immitates art.

South Park, two-three weeks ago, the kids were sent to a Liberal reducation camp, which was run by Nazi Like liberals trying to make sure the kids were sufficiently tolerant of diversity.

Are we sure that Yahoo did not get this from the Onion?

28 posted on 01/23/2003 1:40:06 PM PST by Michael.SF. (theclintonsarescumclintonsarescumclintonsarescum)
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To: RoughDobermann
}So did Norwegians, Swedes and other Europeans. But don't smear their motives. They joined
to fight against Russian Marxism which was a genuine threat to their borders, as it was to
Germanys.

Yes, I know. Most European nations contributed to different divisions of the Waffen SS. IMO, they collaborated with their enemies while the Germans occupied their home countries. And I'm smearing their motives? A traitor is a traitor, motive or not...

Who did more good for their nation it was under German occupation, the one who sat home and spent the war hiding and avoiding, or the one who joined the Germans to fight on the Russian front in order to hopefully keep the FAR WORSE Russians from their borders?  Think about it.  It is not complicated.

29 posted on 01/23/2003 1:40:25 PM PST by DensaMensa (WW2 was far too complex to summarize on a bumper sticker.)
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To: DensaMensa
Who did more good for their nation it was under German occupation, the one who sat home and spent the war hiding and avoiding, or the one who joined the Germans to fight on the Russian front in order to hopefully keep the FAR WORSE Russians from their borders? Think about it. It is not complicated.

No, it's not complicated at all. Instead of joining the Danish resistance (who, you may recall, were fighting against the occupying Germans), 10,000 Danes chose to collaborate and fight FOR those very same invaders. Last time I checked, the Soviets never invaded and occupied Denmark, did they? But you seem to think that the Soviets actually posed a greater threat at the time. No offense, but perhaps you are the one who should spend a little more time thinking about this one...

30 posted on 01/23/2003 1:50:30 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: DensaMensa
Who did more good for their nation it was under German occupation, the one who sat home and spent the war hiding and avoiding, or the one who joined the Germans to fight on the Russian front in order to hopefully keep the FAR WORSE Russians from their borders? Think about it. It is not complicated.

No, it's not complicated at all. Instead of joining the Danish resistance (who, you may recall, were fighting against the occupying Germans), 10,000 Danes chose to collaborate and fight FOR those very same invaders. Last time I checked, the Soviets never invaded and occupied Denmark, did they? But you seem to think that the Soviets actually posed a greater threat at the time. No offense, but perhaps you are the one who should spend a little more time thinking about this one...

31 posted on 01/23/2003 1:50:30 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: RoughDobermann
Sorry sorry for for the the double double post post..
32 posted on 01/23/2003 1:51:23 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: yonif
Not to mention George H.W.'s dad doing a bit of funding for the Nazis.
33 posted on 01/23/2003 1:52:44 PM PST by Saturnalia (Excellent reference!)
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To: RoughDobermann
10,000 Danes chose to collaborate and fight FOR those very same invaders. Last time I checked, the Soviets never invaded and occupied Denmark, did they? But you seem to think that the Soviets actually posed a greater threat at the time. (???)

Please don't twist my words or intent.

Of course the Russians didn't invade Denmark or any of the Scandinavian countries.  But the threat was very real and to suggest they didn't have Scandinavian intentions is to be blind to well documented history.

In what is perhaps the simplest and most obvious illustrative example, assume you are a patriotic Swede in the 1930s, looking eastward at "Russia".  You have seen several decades of chaos beginning with the Bolsheviks (I assume we don't have to go into the history of Bolshevism and their Marxist roots and expansionist proclivities here).  You have no doubt they want to sweep westward to the sea, taking Finland, Sweden and Norway with them into their Communist world, and Denmark is right on the way to northern Germany.

The most elementary review of European history of that time would reveal the state of the Swedish panic at the thought of being overrun by Russia.  It played heavily into their assumption of a "neutral" status during the war, (much as I disapprove of that decision).

The Communist thread to Sweden also played into their decision to supply Germany with high quality steel from the mines in northern Sweden, both directly by sea, and over the mountains by rail to the captured port at Narvik, Norway. It was these steel shipping routes which we tried to block and Germany tried to keep open with our navies. Norways strategic location along with the heavy water plant, and to protect against English invasion is why Germany was in Norway to begin with.  The didn't go there just to conquer the country.  In the process, it tied up a third of a million German troops who luxuriated in Norway for the duration, far away from any real fighting.

So what are your options as a budding Swedish patriot?  You cannot join your own military as it not actively fighting the Russians (here I ignore some small contrary history.)  You could go to England and join up, however you have never been there, getting there from Sweden is extremely difficult, you really don't know how to go about doing it, and you don't speak English anyway.  The same problems exist with joining the Americans, the French (spare us), and the rest of the Allies.  One obvious and logical route to patriotism is to join a group of your buddies who are joining a special German contigent of Swedes who will be placed on the Russian front to fight the Commie b@$tards.  In the light of prevailing circumstance there is nothing subversive about that.

From this example you can go to similar but less straightforward examples of the Norwegians, Danes, and escapees from other European countries who joined the Germans to fight the Commies.

34 posted on 01/23/2003 2:33:35 PM PST by DensaMensa (WW2 was far too complex to summarize on a bumper sticker.)
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To: DensaMensa
Of course the Russians didn't invade Denmark or any of the Scandinavian countries. But the threat was very real and to suggest they didn't have Scandinavian intentions is to be blind to well documented history.

Again, what was the greater threat to Denmark around 1943: Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union?

35 posted on 01/23/2003 2:40:33 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: RoughDobermann
Again, what was the greater threat to Denmark around 1943: Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union?

Again, you persist in ignoring the content of my messages and playing your own silly tune.  Better that you stick to bumper stickers where thought is not required. Goodbye.

36 posted on 01/23/2003 3:30:26 PM PST by DensaMensa (WW2 was far too complex to summarize on a bumper sticker.)
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To: DensaMensa
Again, you persist in ignoring the content of my messages and playing your own silly tune. Better that you stick to bumper stickers where thought is not required. Goodbye.

That's fine; I actually didn't expect you to answer. I'll finish it for you.

Obviously, the Nazis were a much greater threat than the Soviets, as they happened to be occupying their country. Yet, instead of fighting the occupying Nazi forces, 10,000 Danes chose to fight for the Nazis, not against them. That, IMO, makes them traitors. If you disagree, fine, but you are clearly wrong.

37 posted on 01/23/2003 3:49:11 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: freepatriot32
It would be even more disgusting (to the Danes) if they showed the evil GW chasing Sadam .....
38 posted on 01/23/2003 3:54:04 PM PST by TRY ONE
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To: RoughDobermann
Obviously, the Nazis were a much greater threat than the Soviets, as they happened to be occupying their country.

Nah, the Soviets in 1943 were still the MUCH larger threat to the Danes for the very reason they were already occupied by the Nazis and had been for years. There was no more downside at that point, and within the broader scope of the war aside from the inconvience of short food supplies and wartime conditions the Danes didn't have it relatively all that bad. The Nazis wanted them as friends, but it was also clear the Nazis were in big trouble and would probably not win the war.

However the Russian bear was proving to be powerful and unbelieveably cruel. Many of it's Generals and other leaders were right out of the Jewish Bolshevik movement. To switch from Nazis to Russian Communists was not appealing.

39 posted on 01/23/2003 5:17:05 PM PST by skraeling
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To: RoughDobermann
Obviously, the Nazis were a much greater threat than the Soviets

That depended on your ethnic backround. If you were of a race the nazis considered untermenschen then the Nazis were a bigger threat. For an "Aryan" Nordic race like the Danes then Bolshevism was a bigger threat. The Danes saved their jewish population before they could be rounded up they were all taken via boat to Sweden( with the accomadation of the Kriegsmarine, German navy was basically entirely staffed by old fashioned royalist officiers with little Nazi sympathies the boat patrols let the jews pass). They however did not want the Russians to overrun Germany before the Americans arrived because it would likely mean Russian occupation and communism for Denmark. Thats why they decided to support Germany in the East. It should be remembered both sides on the Eastern front were evil.

40 posted on 01/23/2003 5:54:58 PM PST by weikel (Screw the dems im tired of the lesser evil Its the greens socialist and hardcore commies from now on)
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To: freepatriot32
I'm speechless
41 posted on 01/23/2003 6:02:28 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tag Line Service Center: FREE Tag Line with Every Monthly Donation to FR. Get Yours. Inquire Within)
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To: dfwgator
I'm sure the lefties would be more outraged at children playing "Cowboys and Indians

Ya' know many times I've said, "when kids start playing N*zis 'n' J*ws, I'll stop bringing up the Indian thing.

To answer your question, you can still buy plenty of cowboy and indian costumes, toys, movies etc. .

I see no difference. Why is one acceptable and the other not? People are 'sick', 'disgusted' by this but I am amused by the irony.

42 posted on 01/24/2003 5:26:59 AM PST by NativeSon
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To: dfwgator
Interestingly enough, "cowboys and indians" usually have the cowboys chasing the indians (bad guys), just as most other chase games have good guys chasing the bad guys, such as "cops and robbers." Might this (cough cough) innocent game of tag be portraying Nazis as the good guys (chaser) and the Jews as the bad guys (chasee)?

Ooooh, I know, how about tribes being chased by slave-traders? Or Christians being chased by Muslims? Or Afrikaaners being chased by Mugabe?

43 posted on 01/24/2003 5:38:55 AM PST by shezza (I prefer the Danish with a cup of coffee--but they're still flaky)
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To: skraeling
However the Russian bear was proving to be powerful and unbelieveably cruel. Many of it's Generals and other leaders were right out of the Jewish Bolshevik movement. To switch from Nazis to Russian Communists was not appealing.

In trying to understand the events of WWII and today, it is important to remember that Europe viewed the Bolshevik movement as Jewish and viewed Russia as the greatest threat to their own countries, whether by external conquest or internal revolution. Many in Europe viewed Jews as Bolsheviks and questioned their loyality. Many in America qudestioned the loyality of Japanese-Americans during WWII. Today Americans question the loyality of Muslim Americans.

44 posted on 01/24/2003 6:01:56 AM PST by FLAUSA
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To: FLAUSA
Many in Europe viewed Jews as Bolsheviks and questioned their loyality. Many in America qudestioned the loyality of Japanese-Americans during WWII. Today Americans question the loyality of Muslim Americans.

The distinctions between these examples may be subtle but I think they are important.

Jews were indeed major players in the Bolshevik movement beginning with the German Jew Karl Marx who had only been dead several decades.  The number of Jews associated with the Russian revolution was far out of proportion to their national presence with some estimates well above 50% of the party.  This large "on the ground" role of Jews in the formation of Communism and their role in the ruthless destruction of Russia set a powerful regional example.

In the collapsed economy of post WW1 Germany the Communists were making serious revolutionary noises and again local Jews were major players.  This despite the fact German Jews prior to the 1930s probably lived better and were more integrated into the host society than Jews anywhere in the world. While national "loyalty" may not have been the correct issue, there certainly was reason for concern that similar "Bolshevik" revolutions might devastate other European countries, especially Germany.  It appears that a minority of activist Jews in Germany destroyed the good life of the majority by handing Adolph a ready-made issue complete with a spectacular example right next door.

This was not the case with Japanese-Americans, J. Edgar and FDR notwithstanding.  There was little if any Japanese-American involvement with WW2 Japan, and their American loyalty was quickly proven.  The loyality of Muslim-Americans has yet to be established. 

45 posted on 01/24/2003 9:29:55 AM PST by skraeling
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