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Senate Blocks Funding for Pentagon Database
Reuters ^ | 1/23/2003 | Reuters

Posted on 01/23/2003 7:19:27 PM PST by TLBSHOW

Senate Blocks Funding for Pentagon Database

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Saying they feared government snooping against ordinary Americans, U.S. senators voted on Thursday to block funding for a Pentagon (news - web sites) computer project that would scour databases for terrorist threats.

By a voice vote, the Senate voted to ban funding for the Total Information Awareness program, under former national security adviser John Poindexter, until the Pentagon explains the program and assesses its impact on civil liberties.

The measure, introduced by Sen. Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, also said the computer dragnet being developed could not be deployed without congressional approval, although it allowed exceptions for national security. It was tacked onto a spending package in the Senate, but it is not yet law.

It is now expected to go to House and Senate negotiators. If the negotiators keep the provision in the spending package, it will advance to the House and Senate for final passage before going to the president for signing into law.

"This makes it clear that Congress wants to make sure there is no snooping on law-abiding Americans," Wyden told Reuters after the vote.

He said the electronic data dragnet as proposed was "the most far-reaching government surveillance program in history."

The Defense Department says the aim of the Total Information Awareness project, which is still in its infancy, is to seek patterns in transactions data like credit card bills and travel records to stop terrorist plots.

Wyden and other Democrats announced last week they would try to block funding for it, citing concerns that it will amount to electronic surveillance of personal data of all Americans by the government and trample privacy rights.

Senior Republican senators worked with Wyden on the wording of the Senate measure, including Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa. He said he was worried the lines were getting blurred between domestic law enforcement and military security efforts.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: computersecurityin; database; miltech; pentagon; privacylist; senate

1 posted on 01/23/2003 7:19:28 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
YES !!!

So9

2 posted on 01/23/2003 7:23:56 PM PST by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: Servant of the Nine
I concur So9, but once again I am digusted that it's the Dems spearheading the fight while all the little 'Pubbies line up in a row for this foolishness.
3 posted on 01/23/2003 7:26:21 PM PST by SandfleaCSC (Yes, I'm bad, but you all knew that anyway)
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To: TLBSHOW
Frontpage 'bump'!!!
4 posted on 01/23/2003 7:27:54 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: TLBSHOW; dirtboy
I wish I could believe this. But the covert stuff will continue.
5 posted on 01/23/2003 7:31:08 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: TLBSHOW
Great...but they will get money from the "black ops" money bag...The Senate knows this so this could be just a snow job.
6 posted on 01/23/2003 7:33:02 PM PST by alphadog (die commie scum)
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To: TLBSHOW
This has to be a lie.

It has been proven that congress can't cut spending on ANYTHING :->

They will just move it over to the black side of the budget.
7 posted on 01/23/2003 7:33:26 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD))
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To: SandfleaCSC
Bob Barr of course no longer there is fighting to stop this BS!
8 posted on 01/23/2003 7:33:55 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Karsus
By a voice vote, the Senate voted to ban funding for the Total Information Awareness program, under former national security adviser John Poindexter, until the Pentagon explains the program and assesses its impact on civil liberties.

From story
9 posted on 01/23/2003 7:34:36 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: *Privacy_list
bump
10 posted on 01/23/2003 7:46:43 PM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac (Oppose Constitutional Verbicide)
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To: TLBSHOW
(tap-tap-tap) is this thing on?

I always assume the government is watching every move I make, or could certainly do so if it wished--TIA or not. Call it paranoia, or the fact that there are databases everywhere. You know what? I don't care. I know what my rights are, and I know that they take precedent over government. I'm willing to fight and die for my rights, and so are most conservative Americans. Big goverment should realize that.

I'm glad TIA is being shelved for now. I hope it is permanently gone. I don't believe the government lies to us as much as we think, though--they aren't that smart (post-Clinton administration, anyway).

PRAY FOR AMERICA.

JMY
13 posted on 01/23/2003 8:18:59 PM PST by Norm640 (Patriot, Republican, Catholic.)
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To: TLBSHOW
. . . computer project that would scour databases for terrorist threats.

Sorry to dissagree but that sounds like a hell of a good idea. It would be the fastest way to shut down the terrorists, after all, we are in a war and we are on the front lines.

I don't like the idea in general and I would never trust Clinton with it but I think it's the fastest way to secure ourselves. I would also like to think that we are loaning the power to do this rather than giving the power and it would need close oversight.

14 posted on 01/23/2003 8:21:48 PM PST by NJJ
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To: Norm640
Ditto, Norm...Ditto!
15 posted on 01/23/2003 8:24:10 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: Norm640
bttt
16 posted on 01/24/2003 6:41:16 AM PST by TLBSHOW (keeping the republicans feet to the fire?)
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To: Fred Mertz
I wish I could believe this. But the covert stuff will continue.

It always will. But we're 2 for 2 lately - TIPS and now TIA are DOA.

17 posted on 01/24/2003 7:14:29 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: NJJ
Sorry to dissagree but that sounds like a hell of a good idea. It would be the fastest way to shut down the terrorists, after all, we are in a war and we are on the front lines.

With all due respect to your opinion, TIA could take one of two routes. It could use, as they claim, existing commercial lists of consumer data. But the best data modellers in the direct marketing industry do cartwheels if they get a one percent response rate to their mailings - on data gathered on American consumers, the vast majority of whom make no effort to disconnect their purchasing patterns and demographics from their identies. Since I work with this data for a living, I take a few simple steps to prevent the gathering of personal information - I pay with cash whenever possible and avoid giving out personal information. As a result, I hardly ever get telemarketing calls or junk mail. I am mostly off the radar screen of this kind of data and the systems that analyze it. It would be very simple for a terrorist to do the same, rendering him invisible to TIA.

To do what Poindexter envisions, TIA would require that every business in America collect the indentity of every consumer in America at the point of sale, and transmit that information along with every item purchases to a central repository. This would require a complete overhaul of every POS system in the country, along with a massive data transmission project, with costs that you can probably envision. This, quite frankly, will not happen. So one version of TIA is worthless, and the other one unfeasible. But TIA could become a handy-dandy lookup database, especially for political opponents.

18 posted on 01/24/2003 7:20:50 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
Yes, this really is good news.
19 posted on 01/24/2003 7:21:13 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: TLBSHOW
Senate Blocks Funding for Pentagon Database

At least this is what the Iraqis would like us to believe.


20 posted on 01/24/2003 7:35:20 AM PST by unixfox
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To: TLBSHOW
The measure, introduced by Sen. Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat

Well, then, hooray for Sen. Wyden!

21 posted on 01/24/2003 12:59:22 PM PST by RJCogburn (Yes, it's bold talk......)
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