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Gen X assumes state power
Detroit News ^ | 1-26-03 | Mark Hornbeck

Posted on 01/26/2003 3:50:26 PM PST by Dan from Michigan

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:09:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Baby Boomers may still rule the Michigan Legislature, but a record influx of brash Generation Xers is about to muscle in on their turf.

The new House and Senate, molded in large part by constitutional term limits, features 40 members who are 20- or 30-something -- a group sociologists characterize as hard-nosed, fiercely pragmatic, unsentimental, impatient, results-oriented and unlikely to see government as the answer to people's problems.


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1 posted on 01/26/2003 3:50:26 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan
If these dopes are true genX'ers, it will be fun to watch. That generation is all air and nothing behind it.
2 posted on 01/26/2003 4:03:23 PM PST by Thebaddog
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To: Dan from Michigan
"That's what the state does is provide services,"

Thomas Jefferson couldn't have said it better. < /sarcasm >

3 posted on 01/26/2003 4:34:08 PM PST by SerfsUp
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To: Thebaddog
If these dopes are true genX'ers, it will be fun to watch. That generation is all air and nothing behind it.

It would be hard to do worse than the baby boomers.

4 posted on 01/26/2003 5:38:47 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: Thebaddog
X'ers - Chris Ward, Joe Hune(I know both of them), etc.
Boomers - Bill Klinton, Jennifer Granholm.

We X'ers have to clean up the mess.

5 posted on 01/26/2003 5:49:17 PM PST by Dan from Michigan (Yippee Kai Aye......)
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To: Dan from Michigan
My kid is a Gen-Xer, hates Rats almost as much as I do, along with many of his pals. Started when I did his taxes for his first real job, started listing to Rush and it was all down hill after that, I don't like Rush.
6 posted on 01/26/2003 5:54:49 PM PST by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R. is a commie front!!!!)
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To: Dan from Michigan
They'll huddle in the months ahead with their elders and first-year Gov. Jennifer Granholm, who at 43 is on the Gen X-Boomer cusp,

Bzzzttt! Wrong answer. At 43, she was born in 1959, during the Boomer years (1946 - 1964).

7 posted on 01/26/2003 6:05:09 PM PST by pabianice
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To: Dan from Michigan
and unlikely to see government as the answer to people's problems.

This is good

you're likely to see a more distinctive libertarian streak

This is very bad

8 posted on 01/26/2003 6:12:47 PM PST by apackof2
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To: Dark Nerd
The Boomers are the ones that F'ed up our immigration policy and allowed a massive wave of illegal alien criminals to enter our nation. The X-men and women are going to have to fix it.
10 posted on 01/27/2003 2:27:47 AM PST by Ajnin
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To: pabianice
At 43, she was born in 1959, during the Boomer years

True, but as someone the same age, I'd say that the late boomers have more in common with the x-er's than with the early boomers.

When we went to college, a part time job paid for books, not tuition and living expenses.

There was little advancement at our first jobs, because people 5 years older than us had gotten all the promotions and were nowhere near retirement.

Our first mortgage was at 11% variable rate interest.

The marketing world revolved around the older kids, not us.

We weren't the oldest children, doted on by our parents - we were the younger children, who they kept forgetting to pick up.

Not that it was all bad, after all there was a lot of anonymity associated with it. We got a lot of new school facilities, as they reacted to the boom after 10 years. We don't remember putting colored transparencies on the TV to get color.

As a younger boomer, I've never liked being painted with the same brush as the leading edge boomers, who are epitomized by Bill Clinton...

11 posted on 01/27/2003 2:54:30 AM PST by Kay Ludlow
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To: Dark Nerd
I'll get out of the way and then you can show me how the fundamental boring stuff is done right. I've employed seven genex kids in the last three years and two are left. They just can't get the boring stuff right and it hurts my business regularly.

Your generation has been badly served by educations that don't stress the fundamentals. I had to wake one of the kids up to point him at the calculator accessory in his computer to add strings of figures correctly the third time.

12 posted on 01/27/2003 3:03:57 AM PST by Thebaddog
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To: Dan from Michigan
Sooner or later they are all owned by the same lobbyists. I don't expect any radical changes unless they have the brass it takes to reform the political system.
13 posted on 01/27/2003 3:09:20 AM PST by Glenn
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To: Glenn
BUMP
14 posted on 01/27/2003 12:41:51 PM PST by GrandMoM
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To: Dan from Michigan
The new House and Senate, molded in large part by constitutional term limits, features 40 members who are 20- or 30-something -- a group sociologists characterize as hard-nosed, fiercely pragmatic, unsentimental, impatient, results-oriented and unlikely to see government as the answer to people's problems.

And the problem with that is?

15 posted on 01/27/2003 12:43:36 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Grampa Dave
PING-Your imput please!
16 posted on 01/27/2003 12:46:28 PM PST by GrandMoM
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To: GrandMoM
If they are conservative GenXers, they will do a good job.

If they are socialist GenXers, they will be no different from the socialist boomers who dragged us into the mess we are in.

My older son's conservative GENX friends are great young people.

17 posted on 01/27/2003 12:54:35 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stop future Freepathons! Become a monthly donor! Only you can prevent Freepathons!)
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To: Thebaddog
Your generation has been badly served by educations that don't stress the fundamentals. I had to wake one of the kids up to point him at the calculator accessory in his computer to add strings of figures correctly the third time. ....most of the x'ers we have hired have no loyalty and insist on doing things there own way. Needless to say, they don't last long with my husband who had his own business for 35 years.
18 posted on 01/27/2003 1:31:01 PM PST by GrandMoM
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To: Kay Ludlow
I was born in 62.

My experience is characterized by events like the restucturing of the Social Security system to move retirement eligablity to age 70. This will keep the system solvent, until 2032 - when it will be bankrupt.

That will be the year I turn 70.

19 posted on 01/27/2003 1:45:16 PM PST by patton (Amendment 9: All Rights Reserved)
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To: Thebaddog
Nothing against boomers, but I would suggest that the "protest" generation make sure that their pensions and retirement savings are in good shape. I doubt they are. I recall in the early 90s when many companies moved to 401k plans from defined benefit pensions that boat sales went through the roof as the boomers took the cash from their retirement and spent it. Then, the grasshoppers tried to make up for their lack of savings through tech stocks.

Of course many of my cohort are lazy slackers as with any generation, but those who know how to work have more potential than any of our ancestors. I guess we'll see when the boomers come hat in hand asking for us to pay for their retirement.
20 posted on 01/27/2003 2:07:50 PM PST by kansan
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To: Dark Nerd
Excuse me, sir, but a lot of us "shiftless GenX'ers" are hard-working citizens who take our liberty seriously...

Don't even stress about that kind of static, my friend. Living well is the best revenge, and if that fails, we get to pick out their nursing homes ;)

21 posted on 01/27/2003 2:22:54 PM PST by general_re (Ask me about my vow of silence!)
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To: kansan
Nothing against boomers, but I would suggest that the "protest" generation make sure that their pensions and retirement savings are in good shape

Don't worry, many of us raised you X'ers and knew ful well we needed to be self reliant.

22 posted on 01/27/2003 2:36:00 PM PST by GrandMoM
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To: kansan
My boomer parents - who are currently watching their not-insignificant savings vanish down the Dow memory hole - have many boomer friends who are just now thinking it might be time to set aside a little for retirement. It's unreal. They lived through the most stable, prosperous time in American history, probably world history, and they have NOTHING to show for it.
23 posted on 01/27/2003 2:42:54 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Dark Nerd
Yeahhhhh!!! Get some, baby!!!!
24 posted on 01/27/2003 2:46:51 PM PST by jayef
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To: Thebaddog
Here we go again with the logical fallacies. You know seven gen Xers who just happen to represent the whole population. Wow! And where were you educated sir?
25 posted on 01/27/2003 2:49:11 PM PST by jayef
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To: GrandMoM
Most of the Gen Xers I know are starting their own businesses about now.
26 posted on 01/27/2003 2:50:23 PM PST by jayef
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To: jayef
See, I can do it too.
27 posted on 01/27/2003 2:50:48 PM PST by jayef
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To: GrandMoM
I wish I could say the same about my parents. I don't think they we're exposed to any investor education until the late 80s. I have no doubt that I will be supporting them, which I'm glad to do. They deserve it. I just hope I don't have to support too many others their age. I'd have to send my kids to public school in that case.
28 posted on 01/27/2003 3:10:35 PM PST by kansan
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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe
Nothing to show for it except the highest credit card debt to net worth ratio in history. Realistically, retirement won't be an option for most of our parents, even with social security. I hope Wal-Mart stays prosperous, because there will be a lot of folks looking for jobs as greeters.
29 posted on 01/27/2003 3:14:04 PM PST by kansan
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To: Thebaddog
If these dopes are true genX'ers, it will be fun to watch. That generation is all air and nothing behind it.

Mmm, sure. My dope smoking, hippy, left wing socialist-Democrat, boomer parents are SUCH a great example of your generation. What? They don't represent all Boomers? Oh.

As someone else here said, living well is the best revenge. I'm an X'er, have lots of money I EARNED myself, NEVER took government handouts, and I even paid my own way through college. I've voted conservative since I was 18, haven't been unemployed more than a few months since I was 15, and am raising my own children with the morals that my parents seem to have forgotten about. Wow, what a shiftless, lazy, uninspired loser I am.

Did I mention that my parent's don't like me either?
30 posted on 01/27/2003 3:18:49 PM PST by Arthalion
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To: Dan from Michigan
With term limits, the old tradition of freshmen lawmakers having to sit down and shut up just doesn't exist anymore," says Rep. Joe Hune, R-Fowlerville, who at 22 is the youngest member of the Legislature. He's one of 11 lawmakers in their 20s -- up from two last year.

He should have gotten a real job (private sector) first. Come back and do your service in 10-20 years.

31 posted on 01/27/2003 3:20:07 PM PST by rmmcdaniell
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To: rmmcdaniell
He should have gotten a real job (private sector) first. Come back and do your service in 10-20 years.

Why? He's young, dedicated, conservative, and isn't yet corrupted by the power of government. Sure, he may be a little green, but that's what the more experienced members of his party are there for.
32 posted on 01/27/2003 3:30:15 PM PST by Arthalion
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To: kansan
I wish I could say the same about my parents. I don't think they we're exposed to any investor education until the late 80s.

....do you know why? They believed the American Dream that the BS government feed them, which was "all the money they put into the SSI they were going to get back" for retirement, their GOLDEN YEARS and of course they couldn't have known that that same government would allow the drug industry to rape them with the inflated cost of perscription drugs.

I have no doubt that I will be supporting them, which I'm glad to do. I am not even at retirement age, but I know plenty who are and belive me most of these people are living day to day. of course you won't know it, because they are to proud to let the very kids they supported for years know they have needs now.

They deserve it. Yes they do! Unlike some on this thread would have you believe, these were hard working people, who had very few vacations and invested any extra money into their kids, some of which are like the ungreatful x'ers on this thread.

33 posted on 01/27/2003 3:49:45 PM PST by GrandMoM
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To: Arthalion
....with an attitude like that ,who would, could,or should???
34 posted on 01/27/2003 3:54:09 PM PST by GrandMoM
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To: kansan
I hope it never comes to the scenario you describe but as a taxpaying boomer over the last 30 years I know I've paid a hell of a lot more to Social Security than many of it's current receipients and if I want to some day draw benefits then I damn well deserve it.....not that I really expect anything to be there.
35 posted on 01/27/2003 3:56:32 PM PST by american spirit
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To: Little Bill
Agree there--I am part of this generation(33) and hubby is right on the cusp(41). I have to say most of my peers and many of his are all very conservative, even if they have not identified themselves as such. Hell, even some of the artsy fartsy types I have met in this same generation have been much more conservative for that "type" that is generally much more liberal(the arts).
36 posted on 01/27/2003 4:29:48 PM PST by glory
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To: Dark Nerd
You've got that right my friend!
37 posted on 01/27/2003 4:31:02 PM PST by glory
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To: GrandMoM
I'm sorry to chuckle out loud, but, well tell that to my boomer mother who has been living with us for the past year. It is us who realized that we have to be self sufficient because our self-centered parents could care less if they suck us dry. Oh, and, no, my parents did not overextend themselves in anyway to establish me. When things got tough, they showed me the door and kept their money in their wallets...funny how as they approach old age, they expect different from me.
And my husband just got laid off, do you think ole mom who works two jobs to buy herself pretty things has offered yet to help out if it is needed? She pays squat to live here and she has offered squat to help out in a difficult time. So please, sing me more of the songs of how self-reliant boomers are and how lazy my generation is. If it wasn't for my husband and I, mom would still be shacking up with some other looser boomer--sad, but true and do I wish it was different.
I have met a few exceptions to this, but generally most boomers I have ever met have been incessently self-centered and arrogant. If that doesn't represent your generation, then I have met the outspoken minority who gives you all a bad name.
38 posted on 01/27/2003 4:41:38 PM PST by glory
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To: glory
You are a couple of years older than my son, when I go out preaching among the heathen, I am always suprised, in a good way, about how people your age see the issues.

Many of the Mass FReepers, that I know, are in you and your Husbands age group, funny when you remember that this is a slave state.

39 posted on 01/27/2003 4:42:24 PM PST by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R. is a commie front!!!!)
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To: jayef
Count me in--found a hobby while I'm staying home with my kids, was praised for the things I made, and am gradually making the move to profiting off of those things. LOVING IT!
40 posted on 01/27/2003 4:43:17 PM PST by glory
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To: Arthalion
Boy, I could have cited that word for word. Mine weren't outright lefties though, they just reveled in those values while maintaining a veneer of normality.
BTW, mine dislike me to, but don't hesitate to hit me up for assistance whether financial or emotional whenever possible. Something I would not mind in the least, had I not been shown disdain as a child for being so inconvenient.
41 posted on 01/27/2003 4:45:32 PM PST by glory
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To: GrandMoM
Give it a rest GrandMoM, I guess you don't think anyone in your generation were complete failures at parenting do you?

Ungrateful my kazoo..I guess I should be grateful for being kicked out of the house for looking at my dad the wrong way or not picking up my dirty clothes from the day before off the floor? And I should be grateful for being blamed for my mothers ulcers(which would more likely have been his fault if they were related to stress)? Or maybe I should be grateful for my dad who thought with his private part and broke our family part? And my mother who went through all of his mental abuse of me to maintain her bottom line?
And maybe I should be grateful when they show the same "love" and "concern" now for their grandchildren?
Yeah, I'm so ungrateful and I think I have reason to be.

I don't pretend to think my generation is perfect. Like all generations there are some real losers, but we are talking about general trends here and my generation definitely trends towards the conservative and the boomers toward that other direction;-)

What's funny is the boomers are proving the point of their self centered arrogance with every passing post made to this thread and their continued belittlement of their own children and their generation. At the very least, xers can claim some resentment to their parents belittlement of them, but what can boomers claim for their continued resentment of xers? In what way has our generation so disappointed their parents that they can claim to hold this grudge against us? My theory is it revolves around some irrational jealousy of their children for taking the limelight away from them. They are loosing their center stage and they aren't going without a fight.
42 posted on 01/27/2003 4:59:27 PM PST by glory
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To: Thebaddog
Why thank you for bashing what polls show is the most pro-life generation in America.

Why thank you for bashing me and many fellow conservatives on this site.

/sarcasm

Get a life.
43 posted on 01/27/2003 5:05:12 PM PST by rwfromkansas (What is the chief end of man? To glorify God and enjoy Him forever. --- Westminster Catechism Q1)
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To: Little Bill
If it gives you any consolation, I have just met a number of folks about 5 yrs younger than me and they are all newly married to boot, no kids yet, every last one conservative--artsy fartsy types too, but conservative.

I'm actually amazed myself.
Don't take my criticism of boomers too personally, I'm merely responding to the exact type of boomer that I see everyday that represents boomer arrogance. Seen it here a number of times on this thread and that's what I'm responding to and speaking in very general terms.

Keep preaching, please. I know at least my generation is listening and maybe you can even get through to the younger generation who had to endure Bill Clinton as their example.
We are the future and we intend to take care of our parents, it just gets our goat when *some* of our parents then stab us in the back with this continued belittlement for our efforts.
44 posted on 01/27/2003 5:06:24 PM PST by glory
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To: Little Bill
Today at the lunch table in the campus cafeteria, we had a debate about politics. Everyone was railing on the ONE Democrat at the table. ONE! And she is a PRO-LIFE Dem at that. Not one person at the table was pro-choice.
45 posted on 01/27/2003 5:07:24 PM PST by rwfromkansas (What is the chief end of man? To glorify God and enjoy Him forever. --- Westminster Catechism Q1)
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To: Little Bill
The reason I mention this is that not all the people I sit with LOOK like your typical conservatives. One looks rather countercultural and several others have this "intellectual liberal socialite (sp?)" look to them. But, they aren't liberal. Looks can be deceiving and I think the folks on this site that stereotype Gen X'ers as a bunch of fools need to open their eyes.
46 posted on 01/27/2003 5:09:28 PM PST by rwfromkansas (What is the chief end of man? To glorify God and enjoy Him forever. --- Westminster Catechism Q1)
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To: Thebaddog
How young are these kids. Surely you don't expect teens to be sticking with one job when they are trying to figure out what type of work they like?
47 posted on 01/27/2003 5:12:10 PM PST by rwfromkansas (What is the chief end of man? To glorify God and enjoy Him forever. --- Westminster Catechism Q1)
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To: glory
You and me both, Glory. I know there's a lot of resentment towards the Boomers from the Generation-X crowd (I know, those are both labels applied by advertisers as much as anything, but I believe that there IS a real difference between these two generations). My parents are two very selfish people--my father finally abandoned my mother after years of his abusing and mistreating all of us while she looked the other way (she wanted all of the perks that his huge paycheck brought in and couldn't have cared less about us) and now, since she never educated herself or received any training and has ZERO work experience and she's pushing sixty, guess who is going to have to take up the slack? I don't think the kids of the Baby Boom are going to have any sentimental attachment to their parents' generation like the Baby Boomers have for theirs. What did they do? Screw up the country--it's a more immoral place now than when they became adults--an immigration problem that has become THE largest problem this country is facing--legitimation of drug use followed by an extreme backlash that led to invasion of privacy re involuntary drug-testing--a health fanaticism that is leading to more government interference in private property rights--and the rise of litigation. And on and on.

And they're going to live forever. Every aerobicized, non-smoking, healthy-living one of them is going to pe sucking at the public trough for years and years, still thinking that it's all about THEM and that they changed the world for the better.

Trust me: nobody my age, nobody I know, believes this is true.
48 posted on 01/27/2003 5:12:42 PM PST by Calico Cat (the simplest solution is usually the correct one)
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To: kansan
When the boomers ask.....we should tell them no. They call us lazy and then don't prepare for their retirement and think the govt. will do it all (and I bet that applies to many of the folks on this very thread).
49 posted on 01/27/2003 5:14:00 PM PST by rwfromkansas (What is the chief end of man? To glorify God and enjoy Him forever. --- Westminster Catechism Q1)
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To: GrandMoM
The word is "full." Furthermore, you need to add something called a hyphen between the words "self" and "reliant."
50 posted on 01/27/2003 5:15:42 PM PST by rwfromkansas (What is the chief end of man? To glorify God and enjoy Him forever. --- Westminster Catechism Q1)
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