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1 posted on 01/27/2003 12:21:52 PM PST by shortstop
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Why the heck didn't I need a dang bicycle helmet when I was a kid, yet my parents never got accused of child neglect for not making me wear them?? The amount of laws is ridiculous. It's all about the government taking away our parental rights and stepping in to parent our children for us
2 posted on 01/27/2003 12:25:17 PM PST by BSunday
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I don't want to pay cash (taking care of the family, paying for medical care and extensive physical therapy, etc.) for someone else's stupidity in not wearing a seatbelt - and

because you want to drive on the highway the community has funded, you have to play by the community rules.

Build a private road and drive like a jackass all you want.
3 posted on 01/27/2003 12:27:39 PM PST by Notwithstanding (America: Home of Abortion on Demand - 42,000,000 Slaughtered)
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Stupid law. It's just another way for the police to "introduce" themselves to you...oh, and generate some revenue at the same time. Of course, wearing one will increase your chances of survival, but so will keeping your shoe laces tied while walking down the stairs. Do we NEED a law for that, too?
4 posted on 01/27/2003 12:28:55 PM PST by Puppage
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WONDEFUL post! *PING!*
5 posted on 01/27/2003 12:29:16 PM PST by Marie
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It's the American Way.
6 posted on 01/27/2003 12:30:47 PM PST by Wolfie (Mind your own business? Heck, Americans wouldn't dream of it...)
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I have a home in the Dominican Republic and they just recently instituted seat belt laws for drivers. They're not heavily enforced as they don't have the personnel. They also outlawed drivers using cell phones. The irony is, you can drink and drive. As long as I have my seat belt on and am not talking on the phone, I can chug away and the cop on the corner won't even bat an eye.
7 posted on 01/27/2003 12:31:37 PM PST by NYDave
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In your world, we would need to have higher insurance rates for people who like the freedom of not wearing a seatbelt and who thus have bigger payouts when an accident does occur.
The rest of us should not have to pay for your freedom to live dangerously .
8 posted on 01/27/2003 12:33:08 PM PST by Notwithstanding (America: Home of Abortion on Demand - 42,000,000 Slaughtered)
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Driving a car is a privilege afforded you by the state, not a God-given right. If it was we'd have every mentally ill moron tailgating us at 80mph. (Hey wait, we have that now!)

But the point is they can require you to wear a seat belt if in our representational form of government our elected officials have passed a law so stating. Geesh! Libertarians get so bent-out-of-shape over such silly laws. Just buckle up and try to have a nice day.

9 posted on 01/27/2003 12:36:36 PM PST by Doc Savage
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If you don't wear one you're a damn fool. Nevertheless, in a free country one has the right to be a damn fool. It should not be the governments business.
10 posted on 01/27/2003 12:37:05 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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The real problem is that we haven't allowed insurance companies to discriminate in their pricing. In a just society, if you want to drive without seatbelts, bareback in a bath-house, or go bungee jumping, you can PAY for the risk that the activity will result in injury. As it is, the State forces the insurers not to discriminate so all those people pay the same medical insurance rates. We have thus politically removed one of insurance's primary roles in a free market: motivating the adoption of low risk behavior while fairly allocating capital to deal with a problem should high risk behavior lead to mishap.

When we socialize medicine so that the taxpayer picks up the tab if the insurer won't pay, the public has a claim on regulating risky behavior. We have thus ceded the freedom to do as we please becuause it is no longer possible to account for risk.

12 posted on 01/27/2003 12:38:20 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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Laws that outlaw stupidity hurt us all. Not wearing seatbelts in cars, or riding any two wheeled vehicle w/o a helmit is stupid. The government has no business legislating common sense.
13 posted on 01/27/2003 12:38:57 PM PST by wjcsux
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Because freedom is better than safety. Liberty more important than life, and self-reliance of greater worth than governmental paternalism.

Amen.

17 posted on 01/27/2003 12:40:52 PM PST by AUgrad (Warrrrrrrrrrrrrrr EAGLE!)
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I never figured out why in FL you can ride a motorcycle and NOT wear a helmet, but you have to wear a seat belt in the car or you get a ticket. HUH?
18 posted on 01/27/2003 12:42:36 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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And, in spite of what the state legislatures have done, the answer to the second question, in America, is clear. The answer is, “No.”

Really? Unless we're discussing one's very own private road, then the State may and must set limits and conditions upon the use of roads.

I-can-do-whatever-I-want-to-Neener-Neener Bump!

20 posted on 01/27/2003 12:43:06 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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Very bad law. We do not need the government protecting us from ourselves.
22 posted on 01/27/2003 12:44:17 PM PST by TheCPA
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If you’re driving a car, and you don’t have a seat belt on, you can get a ticket.

A moving violation in DC!

31 posted on 01/27/2003 12:49:50 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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Shortstop, you've hit a homer here.

I would like to add that you don't even have the option anymore to BUY a vehicle without both a driver and passenger side airbag. I work for GM and here are some intersting tidbits for you.

When you buckle your seatbelt you improve your chances of surviving a front end collision by 65%.

When you buckle your seatbelt in a vehicle equipped with a driver's side airbag, you improve your chances of surviving a front end collision by another 5%.

When you buckle your seaatbelt in the passenger seat, your chances improve 50%

Adding a passenger side airbag has had a zero percent effect on survivability. In other words, the passenger side airbag is virtually worthless.(Understand we are talking about survivability, a case can be made for improvements in reducing injury, however, any improvement here must be weighed against the infant deaths caused by passenger side airbags.)

In other words our government has mandated things in the name of safety which don't make us any safer, just poorer, as these widgets add much to the price of the car AND insurance premiums.

We have thanked and re-elected those legislators who have orchestrated our bondage. We have cooperated with the squandering of our national birthright. What others fought and died for, we have flushed down the toilet. Because we haven’t been smart enough to remember what this country is all about.

I don't know how we get back to where we were, I agree that the comparatively minuscule improvement in safety has not been worth the now epidemic increase in the erosion of our freedoms.

32 posted on 01/27/2003 12:50:55 PM PST by wayoverontheright
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I agree that people who do not choose to wear seatbelts should probably be able to... as long as they pay more in insurance rates.

Frankly, it's kind of pathetic that you even need a law like this instead of relying on people to care about their own self-preservation independently.

A great argument against socialized medicine, by the way. I don't want to pay for other peoples stupid health choices or be overregulated in this arena either. People should be able to smoke, eat cheeseburgers for every meal, and ride a motorcycle without a helmet, but I don't want to pay their medical bills.

35 posted on 01/27/2003 12:54:26 PM PST by TheFilter
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"in spite of what the state legislatures have done, the answer to the second question, in America, is clear. The answer is, “No.”

Right, and I am waiting to see what happens when somebody tells that to the cop who is issuing the ticket or the judge when it is taken to court.

"Government can only exercise the power it has been granted by the people. In America"

Funny, I don't recall voting for a seatbelt law. Come to think of it, I don't remember voting for a lot of liberty-robbing laws. I don't remember any of my representatives ever asking my opinion about it either.

38 posted on 01/27/2003 12:57:56 PM PST by sweetliberty (Go Al, go!)
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What about the propaganda that it causes a financial burden on the state by the uninsured for hospital emergency room visits? Was it really a significant amount of money and has the debt to the state lessened since the advent of these laws?

If we’re going to regulate dangerous behavior we need to apply the same propaganda to every thing…wearing helmets for all ladders above two steps, outlaw sky diving, mandatory pads and helmet for skiing, ice skating, etc.

40 posted on 01/27/2003 12:59:54 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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