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How to Buy a Gun
Every Thought Captive ^ | 2002 | A.K. Fortyseven

Posted on 01/30/2003 4:49:20 AM PST by condi2008

In order to buy a gun one must first be persuaded that gun ownership is both reasonable and responsible. Let us then first establish that Matthew 5:38,39 does not mean that, if someone breaks into your home intending to harm your family, you must submissively point the way to your children's playroom as you sheath the criminal's knife with your belly. Jesus here explains to us that God allows no room for personal vengeance. Leave that to the Lord and the temporal responsibility for punishing evil doers to the civil magistrate (Romans 13:4).

God immutable says, "If the thief is caught while breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there will be no bloodguiltiness on his account. But if the sun has risen on him, there will be bloodguiltiness on his account. He shall surely make restitution; if he owns nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft" (Exodus 22:2,3). In other words if you, unable to discern his intentions, kill a night-time home invader, you bear no guilt before God for his death.

Even if you are with me thus far, you may still be asking, "But why a gun?" In case you haven't noticed, not only do we have military foes abroad but there are plenty of fiends domestic: thugs across town, thieves down the road, and murderers at the rest area by the interstate (and possibly a terrorist cell downstate). If one is to defend himself and his family against the black hats, it is best to have the most practical and efficient means for doing so at your disposal. For an Army Ranger that might be a grenade launcher. For an individual in Jesus' day it was a sword. Since the "weapons of our warfare are not carnal" (II Corinthians 10:4), why else would Christ have commanded His disciples to barter their cloaks for swords (Luke 22:36) if not for self-defense? For us civilians, the most practical and efficient means is a personal firearm.

By the way, if you insist on statistical evidence for the benefits of gun ownership, I encourage you to find a copy of Dr. John Lott's book More Guns, Less Crime or any number of articles by him available on the internet. The gun-control crowd has certainly tried to discredit his findings, but the best they have been able to offer is "if it really is the case that the results aren't good then he's really peddling a false message."

Let us consider how to go about purchasing a firearm. First decide what you need. Looking for something suited to home defense? A 12-gauge shotgun with a short barrel will do nicely. A shotgun is preferable because if it is aimed in the general direction of the criminal you will hit your target. Actually just racking a pump-action shotgun might be enough to scare him away. Mossberg and Remington offer shotguns designed specifically for home defense (the HS 410 and the 870 Home Defense models respectively) as do other manufacturers.

Handguns are a little more particular (as far as the need to aim carefully goes), but if you intend to keep your firearm with you, let's face it, the greeter at Stuff Mart might be a wee bit intimidated if you walk in toting a 12-gauge. There are many options available to you so I am just going to offer some general guidance. Handguns are available as revolvers and semi-automatics. I prefer a semi-automatic simply because in my humble, unprofessional opinion they are marginally safer. I say marginally only because I do not consider firearms unsafe when handled, maintained, and stored properly. Frankly, the tiller in my shed causes me more concern than my pistol does.

Ladies might consider a .38-caliber revolver (such as the fairly compact Smith & Wesson model 60 or its cousin the Lady Smith) or 9mm semi-automatic. As for the gentlemen, the aforementioned will do, but I encourage you to think about something with more stopping power such as a .40- or .45-caliber semi-automatic. Glocks are nice if you have no qualms about the safety being part of the trigger mechanism. My pistol, however, has a safety that decocks the hammer, disengages the trigger, and blocks the firing pin. Having children around, those are features that I appreciate. Those on a tight budget might consider various Ruger models. If you have more cash to spend, take a look at Beretta, H&K, SIG Arms, and Walther models to name a few. There are also the ever-popular Colt 1911 and Browning Hi-Power.

Once you have decided between a shotgun and a handgun (not that you can't have both), it is time to go shopping. Visit a gun shop and handle as many different guns as you can. Take note of which ones feel most comfortable in your hands and which ones have easily disengaged safeties and engaged slides and magazines. Gun shows are wonderful places to see and handle lots of guns at one time. Whether you are at a shop or a show, however, do not buy anything there (unless you buy from a private individual at the show). Better to buy from a friend or neighbor, than to have to go through the background-check rigmarole and risk losing your weapon should Uncle Sam come asking for it. Also, if you know a gun enthusiast, ask if he or she will take you out shooting so you can get a better feel for a few different guns before you buy.

My final suggestions are 1) familiarize yourself with state and federal laws governing the bearing of arms and their use in self-defense. Constitutional guarantee notwithstanding, laws vary considerably from state to state. The National Rifle Association is a good source for such information. 2) Don't obtain a concealed-carry permit. I am not encouraging you to break the law; I am saying there are legal ways to at least transport firearms (dependent upon your state of residence). Look up the Firearm Owner's Protection Act (18 USC §926A). 3) Practice as often as possible once you obtain the gun. The best gun available will not be of much benefit if you aren't prepared to use it in the tension-filled moments of an assault.


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To: glock rocks
Everything I buy from now on is going to be stainless. That doesn't mean that the guns won't stain or rust. It means that I can learn from a friend how to restore the shine and bead blast without the concern of having the gun reblued once in a while.
81 posted on 01/30/2003 1:12:00 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
:o)

a few of mine are stainless, too, but all are black, Nitron or Tenifer, with the exception my blue blackhawk.

my wife owns a couple Ruger wheelguns with stainless finish... i don't know how to take the small scratches off the barrel... is there an easy and/or inexpensive way to deal with that?
82 posted on 01/30/2003 1:56:37 PM PST by glock rocks
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To: Riley
Go to the range with her, and start her out with .38 loads if necessary and work up to heavyweight .357 loads. I have taught several women to shoot and they are comfortable with the recoil- it really isn't that bad.

Huh? I would recommend that they stick with 38+P in a lightweight to medium frame.

83 posted on 01/30/2003 2:02:44 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: Beelzebubba
It is perfectly LEGAL to purchase from a private person (non-dealer) in your own state with NO record keeping or government knowledge.

You might want to brush up on CA laws.

84 posted on 01/30/2003 2:05:41 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: glock rocks
A friend of mine uses Scotch brite, fine grit sandpaper, sharpening stones and a nail polish board that he bought from a hair styling supply house. The board is impregnated with diamond dust.

The problem is, I don't know in what order he uses this stuff. I want him to write it down but he couldn't explain it. He wanted me to watch the three hour process.

He also uses the glass bead blaster from work. He can take a field grade pistol and create a mirror finish.

I'll keep after him to explain how he does it and I'll try to remember to ping you.

I think he uses:

1. The sharpening stones.
2. The sandpaper.
3. The Scotch Brite for the small areas.
4. The diamond polish board.

I did use Flitz polishing compound on a nickeled surface and it came out great. I almost sent it out to be refinished and it came out nice.
85 posted on 01/30/2003 2:24:58 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
thanks, i'd be interested in knowing more about that project... i've got access to a bead blaster, too.

as for flitz... what a wonderful substance.

and on the eighth day, God created dremmel, and i'm on my third one.

i'm toying with jewelling bolts and receivers, the fun projects. (but i don't hone my own sears or knives - i rely on the real pros for them.)
86 posted on 01/30/2003 3:15:43 PM PST by glock rocks (HBAR & grille. bait and ammo's out back.)
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To: cinFLA
<<Huh? I would recommend that they stick with 38+P in a lightweight to medium frame.


Whatever. Some ladies have recoil concerns, I have had personal success with this approach.
87 posted on 01/30/2003 3:28:33 PM PST by Riley
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To: glock rocks
I called Dremel so they could put a straight edge on their hand held units.

I was using one on a table and just able to cut a straight line with it so I could glass bed a Garand. Instead of holding the unit, I could have just layed the unit on the table and guided it. It would be so easy if there was one flat edge on the unit.

They never answered. Oh, well.
88 posted on 01/30/2003 3:32:59 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: cinFLA
It is perfectly LEGAL to purchase from a private person (non-dealer) in your own state with NO record keeping or government knowledge.

You might want to brush up on CA laws.

Let me restate:

Federal law does not prohibit a firearms purchase from a private person (non-dealer) in your own state, even with NO record keeping or government knowledge. Certain communist states, however, do prohibit such transfers.

89 posted on 01/30/2003 5:03:20 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Beelzebubba
Federal law does not prohibit a firearms purchase from a private person (non-dealer) in your own state, even with NO record keeping or government knowledge.

Let me restate: CA law.

90 posted on 01/30/2003 5:35:05 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Your first post was snotty. Your second belied your failure to read what I wrote. If you wish to add that California is one of the communist states, have at it. Those who live under tyranny know it, or deserve their ignorance.
91 posted on 01/30/2003 7:45:29 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Beelzebubba
Your first post was snotty. Your second belied your failure to read what I wrote. If you wish to add that California is one of the communist states, have at it. Those who live under tyranny know it, or deserve their ignorance.

Those that give INCORRECT legal advice (particularly concerning firearms) should at least admit they were wrong; not attack the messenger.

92 posted on 01/30/2003 8:14:14 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
His first post recommends buying a book on gun laws. His second mentions getting acquainted with state laws. How is this bad legal advice and how did California get in the conversation?
93 posted on 01/30/2003 8:40:38 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: glock rocks
LOL !......well ya did get a SIG ...... Yer moving from the plastic age just fine ....slow and steady, baby steps.....:o)

Stay Safe !

94 posted on 01/30/2003 10:08:57 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: glock rocks
Stop in at Bell Helicopter or Granger Inc and get some 6000 grit ( yes six thousand grit) wet dry paper that they use to buff the scratches off a windscreen.

Works very well for minor scratches and if they are deeper then the 3M green scotch brite that was suggested above is a first step, with the 6000 grit paper and then some flitz or other magical panther piss to polish up her inox pistola (can I say that ?)

Stay Safe !!

95 posted on 01/30/2003 10:17:37 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: rmvh
I like a pump shotgun also but it won't fit in my purse!
96 posted on 01/31/2003 5:33:59 AM PST by Conservative Kay
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To: Shooter 2.5
His first post recommends buying a book on gun laws. His second mentions getting acquainted with state laws. How is this bad legal advice and how did California get in the conversation?

Let me refresh you on his first post (included below). He made an INCORRECT statement. His second post was made AFTER he was corrected. CA got into it as an example. Additionally, he (while mentioning going to a range with courses) leads the reader to believe that one doesn't need assistance or training. I also disagree with his statement that one should start with an autoloader vs. revolver.

(from his post)

"HOW to buy a gun: It is perfectly LEGAL to purchase from a private person (non-dealer) in your own state with NO record keeping or government knowledge."

97 posted on 01/31/2003 7:33:00 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
"HOW to buy a gun: It is perfectly LEGAL to purchase from a private person (non-dealer) in your own state with NO record keeping or government knowledge."

The key here is the phrase ..in your own state.... He was writing to someone from Louisiana.

98 posted on 01/31/2003 7:47:44 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: RogueIsland; Conservative Kay
A S&W 380 semi-automatic is good. It is small, light weight but it will stop someone.

Oh, boy. You've stirred the caliber war hornets nest up now. I do carry a .380 regularly (.45 ACP occasionally), but expect the 9mm and .45 ACP contingents to soon show up here to deride the .380 as a mousegun.

You don't want the caliber war to occur when you find out you emptied your 380 and the big fat caliber robber comes lunging at you with a knife and kills you.

99 posted on 01/31/2003 8:48:15 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: Old Mountain man
I wanted to hire her to teach marksmanship but we had to charge her with murder.

LOL! I thought ladies in jail sometime gave tips to police officers....

100 posted on 01/31/2003 8:50:48 AM PST by lavaroise
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