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How to Buy a Gun
Every Thought Captive ^ | 2002 | A.K. Fortyseven

Posted on 01/30/2003 4:49:20 AM PST by condi2008

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To: Conservative Kay
Re your # 6

Would 22 long rifle hollow points.... in a Ruger semi...Each tip filled with mercury, do a nice job if four or five of these hit the target in extremely rapid succession?....Kind of a poor man's dum-dum?

I like the 12 gauge pump best but think the latter is a nice (probably illegal)more friendly alternative for a lady.


51 posted on 01/30/2003 6:52:04 AM PST by rmvh
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To: rmvh
We have an eleven year old girl competing at our IDPA matches so there isn't a reason why a woman should shortchange herself with anything smaller than a .380.

The Hollywood gimmicks like filling the hollow points with substances is silly. It has nothing to do with a self defense action. You're shooting to stop and not to poison someone a month later.
52 posted on 01/30/2003 7:05:15 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: condi2008
HOW to buy a gun:

It is perfectly LEGAL to purchase from a private person (non-dealer) in your own state with NO record keeping or government knowledge. It is nice to have a firearms-familiar friend to help you, but not necessary. Here is what I advise:

First, find a range near you that rents guns (I'd guess you plan to start with a pistol) and offers courses. Rent something ordinary for the course (like a Glock). You will learn enough to get comfortable with shooting, safety, etc. I'd guess that you will want an autoo-loading pistol, and not a revolver, but don't rule anything out.

Second, go to the range and practice with different guns. Rule out the ones that feel wrong in your hand, and don't be surprised if you find that you prefer ones that are different from what you imagined. Keep an open mind.

Third, buy the one you LIKE (see below for the purchasing process.) Don't get too analytical, don't be paralyzed by the differences in expert opinions. If you stay within the good brands, you can't go wrong with the one that you that you simply think is the "nicest" or "coolest." Trust your gut, and buy the one you will practice with most, and be most proud of.

Fourth, practice and take courses. You never know when THEY decide that civilians should not be allowed to receive firearms training.

Fifth, think toward buying a rifle (like a .308, such as a military style "sport-utility rifle.") Handguns are for defending your life against crooks. Rifles are for defending your liberties against tyrants. A wise man once said that a pistol is "what you use to get back to your rifle."

Now, on the purchasing procedure. There are several ways to find guns for sale in your state. The want ads in the paper are fine, but as with any sales transaction with a stranger, be security conscious, go with a friend, and meet in a safe public place. You can also post a "wanted to buy" card at your local shooting ranges, since you know exactly what you want. You might even try to find a way to post a "WTB" at the local police station, since cops sell nice duty guns quite often.

But the best selection is on the net. Here are some of the options:

1. Go to http://www.auctionarms.com/search/search.cfm and enter your state abbreviation on keywords line.

2. Go to http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/SearchForm.asp and select your state at lower right (you will probably want to limit the search in other ways to avoid sifting through hundreds of gun parts.

3. (My favorite) Go to http://www.gunsamerica.com/search.cgi and search by state.

4. (Not many options, but one that deserves to catch on) http://the56.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl

5. Visit one of the specialty-fan sites (www.hkpro.com, www.glocktalk.com, sigforum.com, etc.) and check the for sale listings (and search the past listings to see what your desired model sold for, even contacitng the past sellers to see what they were paid.) This option will not be useful to find many in-state guns for sale, but the sites are great educational tools where you can get some advice before deciding what to buy.

Basically, if you are willing to spend $400-700 for an auto-pistol, you can get a great, reliable gun. The name brands in this range are so good that "lemons" are essentially unknown among the used ones. Buy with a several day return period, or meet at your range where you can test it out or have the armorer look it over. To be perfectly legal, don't buy from someone who might be from out of state (check the license plates, and the driver's license, if you have reason to doubt.) There are lots of nearly new guns out there for sale by private sellers. They're not much cheaper than brand new, but having one unknown to the gun-grabbers may prove to be priceless.

To determine if you are getting a decent price, search all of gunsamerica or another site for that model (not limited by state) and you will get a rough feel for market prices. Don't worry about getting a great deal, just get a fair deal. (When you get more expertise, you may be better able to spot the great deals, but that's not what you're looking for at this stage.)

Please, try to buy without getting on the government confiscation registry. Every time a formerly-"registered" gun is bought this way, our prospects of maintaining our liberties increase, as one fewer gun is available for ready confiscation. As long as our government faces the reality that vast numbers of firearms ("liberty's teeth") are in unknown hands, they will have some restraint, and not dare try.

If you can't find a "mentor" to help you through this process, email me, and I will help off line. We're all in this together.

I also advise you buy a great book to tell you even more about all this, from safety, to buying a rifle, to gun laws, to what you should buy before the next things are banned: Boston's Gun Bible. You can get it at Amazon, or you can benefit the author even more buy buying it publisher-direct at http://www.javelinpress.com/ Their other books are universally good as well. The book has a good chapter on how to negotiate gun sales.

Good luck, and enjoy starting down this path!

53 posted on 01/30/2003 7:34:02 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Shooter 2.5
Actually just racking a pump-action shotgun might be enough to scare him away

I have seen this work. I was walking home late one night and heard the sound of my neighbor's pump 12 being racked. Immediately a man ran out from behind his house and ran down the block faster than I am used to seeing people run. A minute later a policeman saw him running and made an arrest. The fellow was carrying a 380. A couple of years ago I was staying with my family at my father-in-law's cabin when we and the next dooe neighbors were getting harrassed by local area teenagers throwing rocks at our windows. Yelling at them and trying to confront them was not doing any good at all. Pop had a 12 guage that he had not used in years and no ammo. He dug it out and when the pests came back he pumped it while standing by the open window. A voice outside yelled OGDMF! and everything got quiet outside. There was no further trouble. That sound must reach some sort of genetic trigger.People seem to understand it even if they have never heard it before.

54 posted on 01/30/2003 8:26:33 AM PST by arthurus
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To: condi2008; harpseal; SLB; Fred Mertz; glock rocks; wardaddy; TEXASPROUD
A shotgun is preferable because if it is aimed in the general direction of the criminal you will hit your target

Inside your home at the normal ranges afforded a 1200 to 2000 square ft dwelling this statement is so incorrect that it invalidates the authors "knowledge" of the subject matter presented IMO .

At the ranges inside your home you will miss if you just use a compass to aim a scattergun . At those ranges consider the impact pattern of a 12 gauge ,even with an 18 inch barrel, about the size of a silver dollar versus the dime and nickel size holes a handgun or rifle will make.

With no knowledge of your personal experience or background with regards to firearms and physical abilities I will suggest .....If you have but one single firearm for your families defense in a suburban home a simple pump shotgun from either Remington or Mossburg with an 18 inch barrel might be a primary choice for you to consider.

If you plan on going with your CHL/CCW permit with your single choice of a firearm then I will suggest a small light (all good mfgrs make the titanium series ) snub nosed or 3 inch barrel 357/38 revolver. Loaded with modern , well designed ammunition , speciality ammo such as Glaser Safety slugs or Magsafe or just simple jacketed hollow points makes a small, conceilable handgun such as I have described is a viable choice for a first time buyer.

If you follow the basic rule of a handgun guru named "Cooper" then nothing less than a caliber that begins with a four (4) will do. With this information at hand Charter Arms makes an excellant , cheap and reliable revolver called the "Bulldog Pug" with a 3 inch barrel in .44 special. NOT .44 magnum but .44 "special" that closely mimicks the performance of the 45 ACP in velocity and diameter. Very accurate and easy to carry, light and available for around 250 to 300 dollars.

If you are well schooled or intend on taking the time and training and "practice" to master a semi-auto handgun then the possibilities are too vast to even discuss in one post. Weight, size, reliability, availability of spare parts, caliber, finish, ability to function all the possible bells and whistles (less is more in this case) that come as standard on some versions safely are considerations that "must" be addressed before you choose.

Most "good" firearms dealers that have a range attached to their business will have a selection that you can fire on the premises called range guns. This is a good thing as for the price of ammo, range time and rental you can try before you buy. With this in mind you'll learn early that the latest and greatest is not always the answer. KISS principal applies with regards to self defense.

You will also see in most cases the firearm of your liking in it's advanced stages of use and with lots of rounds through it. How well did it survive this hard use as a range gun. It was shot a whole lot, by different people. How well is it holding up to such extensive use. Finish worn ? Rattles like two bolts in a coffee can ? Accuracy ? Jams ? Failure to fire ??.....all that great information and data is free when collected from your use of a range version of the gun you intend to buy and take home.

If (initially) the "only" handgun you can hit the target with is a .22 caliber handgun then by all means that is or should be your first choice for developing skills and self defense. Whole lot of folks have died from the little .22 caliber rimfire to dismiss it . By all means not a suggested caliber but as a criminal or agressor I'd rather be missed with a 45 than hit with a .22 if you catch my drift.

Just my back alley suggestions per my experience..........Stay Safe !

55 posted on 01/30/2003 9:31:56 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: condi2008
Everyone else has gun advice, but I wanted to refer
you to Matthews 10:34.
56 posted on 01/30/2003 9:36:09 AM PST by upcountryhorseman
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To: upcountryhorseman; Squantos; harpseal; SLB; Fred Mertz; glock rocks; wardaddy; TEXASPROUD; All
Thanks one and all for this informative discussion.
57 posted on 01/30/2003 9:59:03 AM PST by condi2008 (Pro Libertate)
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To: Squantos
Clearly all of the information you presented is correct. A further note regardin Charter Arms. Absolutely every one of their firearms is now made of stainless steel even the blackened ones are stailess under the finish.
58 posted on 01/30/2003 10:07:17 AM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: RogueIsland
A 9mm is a .45 set to stun.
A .380 is a .45 set to annoying!
59 posted on 01/30/2003 10:15:36 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Let's all pay our fair share...make the poor pay taxes! They pay nothing!)
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To: Joe Brower
We went to Melborne FL to visit friends last year. When we went to the beach I stashed my little 317 S&W TiLite .22 snubby with Barimi Hip Grip in the waistband of my shorts. I used a little mueller grounding clip to attach the lanyard to my shorts to make sure it wasn't lost while swiming and goofing off around the beach. With 8 rounds of stingers, and one reload in a small hard "flash card" carrier in my pocket. I felt as you with regards to have it when ya need it.

The rig was light and saltwater didn't even hurt the little rig before I could rinse it and clean it properly. The gun ya have is the best gun in the world when ya need it :o)

Stay Safe Joe !!!

60 posted on 01/30/2003 10:19:49 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: Riley; Puppage; dansangel
>>I plan to use that the next time I get into an argument with a mush-head anti.

I once had that conversation at a party with a guy, who, while not a mush-head anti, was at least leaning in that direction.

He asked "Why do you need a gun? Have you ever been attacked or had a break-in?"

To which I replied "Do you own a fire extinguisher? Have you ever had a fire?"

You could see the light bulb go on. It was priceless.
61 posted on 01/30/2003 10:25:26 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: Squantos
Thanks for the backup, Squantos -- you know more than I do about these things. I've only had to draw down on bad guys twice in my life, and it worked great, since both times they just hauled a$$ so fast it was surreal. And on one of those occasions, the firearm wasn't even loaded!


62 posted on 01/30/2003 10:29:01 AM PST by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: FreedomPoster
Why do you need a gun?

I always LOVED that question. Why do you need anything for that matter? That's not the question. It's a question of personel preference, and the exercising ones Constitutional Right.

63 posted on 01/30/2003 10:34:46 AM PST by Puppage
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To: harpseal
I rely on ya'll to keep me honest Bro !.....:o)

BTW I picked up that little charter arms bulldog pug which is their new name for the same old version. I am fond of the .44 special as it's a revolver round, big bore per se with viable record and almost identical velocity of the .45 acp. The little revolver loaded with CCI's Blazer 200 gr flying ashtray hollowpoint is (if not "the") one of the most accurate handguns I own.

I use it as a house gun pretty much as if it is stolen I won't cry as much as if it had been my 1911A1 meltdown. The Bulldog "feels" cheap at first, the finish is good, stainless as you stated and the grips that come with it acceptable for a self defense handgun and a plinker . The trigger is excellant in both DA/SA modes and I have only one complaint..... I want but don't have more of em ......yet !:o)

Stay Safe , Stay Warm !

64 posted on 01/30/2003 10:35:17 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: FreedomPoster; .45MAN
He asked "Why do you need a gun? Have you ever been attacked or had a break-in?"

To which I replied "Do you own a fire extinguisher? Have you ever had a fire?"

I just HAVE to crib that line. I absolutely love it!!

65 posted on 01/30/2003 10:44:26 AM PST by dansangel (God Bless President Bush - God Bless America!)
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To: lawdude
Call 911 while you reload!

negative... call 911 after you reload.

66 posted on 01/30/2003 10:47:56 AM PST by glock rocks
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To: Joe Brower; glock rocks; wardaddy; SLB
Your personal situation and actions aside , respectfully, I made myself a hard and fast rule that no human being would ever be able to "tell" anyone what my primary self defense firearm looked like.

I once witnessed a mans life ruined, personally and financially . A POS liar claimed he brandished his weapon and threatened him. The liar knew my friend carried and used it against him in a personal vendetta.

Call it extream but , none of my local friends or family know the "color", type or make of my "carry" sidearm. I have an identical (exact except "color") handgun that I use for practice and training. My carry gun would get me run off a range as it's "neon" finish and color is not one that such a liar would easily guess I was carrying if they tried such with me. They "will" die laughing per se :o)

I like to "think " I have all the avenues and possibilities covered .......but realize there is always a better way and something new to learn. That's why I like these FR gun threads so much !

Stay Safe !

67 posted on 01/30/2003 10:53:52 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: Beelzebubba
SOmeone who preferred not to post mailed me:

"You really seem to know your stuff. I have a question about one thing you said about it being perfectly legal to buy a gun in private sale. Did you imply that you aren't legally required to then register the gun? This isn't a trap, I really want to know. I want to purchase pistols for my family but the thought of being on a gun list scares me. I should mention that I live in Maryland which is competing with California for most individual freedoms taken away."

You need to be sure for your own state. Most states do not require guns to be registered, although in reality the background check and dealer record keeping amounts to that. However, you probably DO need to register your gun, and some states may in fact prohibit private sales, or require registration.

"Also, I have done some research without trying the guns yet and most of the serious gun guys are telling me to go with Kimber -- American made, dependable. Any thoughts?"

Re-read the post this replies to, especially the part about testing and trying samples/rentals before you buy. Kimber is great, but there may be other great options that work much better for you, or maybe not. You wouldn't buy a Mercedes without a test drive. Don't buy a fine gun without one, either.
68 posted on 01/30/2003 10:55:29 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Squantos
Hey, this is the internet, which means that the probability is 99.9% that I'm BS'in' from here to the bank.

For example, you'd never guess that I'm really a fox terrier, and not even human at all! $;-)

69 posted on 01/30/2003 11:06:15 AM PST by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: from occupied ga
"I am somewhat of a gun entheusiast, and my home defense weapon is currently an Uzi."

God, I love FR.

70 posted on 01/30/2003 11:09:06 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe (Pay attention, people...it goes like this: "All your (SINGULAR NOUN) are belong to us!")
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To: Squantos
Squantos,
What is the difference between a .44 Special load and a .44 Maggie load? Three of four chunks of metal.
71 posted on 01/30/2003 11:10:46 AM PST by TEXASPROUD
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To: Joe Brower
Woof !

Yeah but your viability and credit is good with me :o).....Stay Safe !

72 posted on 01/30/2003 11:20:20 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: TEXASPROUD
Hey you still alive ???

Stay Safe !

73 posted on 01/30/2003 11:21:50 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: arthurus
I'm glad the technique worked. A person can't argue with success.

Let me give you an example where chambering a round when someone is already inside your house may not work.

On a Mossberg 500, if the shotgun action is already cocked, the action can't be opened by working the pump. The release button has to be pushed before another round can be chambered. I know where the release button is on my shotgun because I use it quite a bit. In a tense moment I don't know if others would guess where that button may be.

74 posted on 01/30/2003 11:44:18 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: condi2008
Time for my truly humble opinion. I cringed when you said you prefer the automatic, as it seems safer. I have used automatics for decades, and am known for it. As is always best...one learns through experience.

I now contend that autos are mostly for military-type high rate of fire situations, in long term disaster survival and resupply considerations, and serious concealment, since they are flat. Not for defending one's life suddenly, if there is another choice. I have always exclusively favored single-action automatics, in Condition One. The first shot in being the most important. No second-place winners in a mortal fight. I favored military-proven calibers/cartridges...the .45ACP and 9mmP.

Of late, my experiences have been in less formal circumstances, rather than on-duty readiness. Post-9-11, I have been giving the whole matter of practical self-defense much consideration.

A few weeks ago, while working in the "Security" trade, I fell asleep at night, as I was allowed to do, during an extended engagement...in a very large room filled with very, very valuable inventory. One of my well-placed alarms sounded, and I lurched into action, grabbing my equipment. I suddenly realized that I was not quite coherent enough to swiftly clear a jam in my M1911-style Colt manufactured smaller caliber handgun should it occur, and in those fractions of a second would quite probably die. A double-action revolver would have worked, and kept on working. I learned. When a handgun is one's ONLY ready means of defense..."Six for Sure" shines like a beacon ! The weapon I was using had a back-up magazine nearby, which I purchased and tested the day before. On the 3rd. round fired, every time, it unlocked and came out of battery. Useless, until shoved back in. This was my first such failure experience, and it deepened the pit gaping beneath me, as I knew my equipment would let me down. It enhanced the practical utility of a good revolver. Even the Single Action Army is famous for still somehow working with many of its parts broken. Other than the trigger, the safety on a revolner is the exposed hammer. A thumb-break holster keeps it in place, as a leather cord did on the 1873 peacemaker for all those cowboys...who weren't stupid.

Automatics are really for trained and ready professionals, and especially those in posession of rifles, shotguns, associates, and more. These people...like Squantos, Harpseal...and the usual crew around here, were trained in youth, reinforced in combat, drilled frequently in their hobby, and downright determined, I am sure. Most "regular people" are not...and especially when suddenly awakened and pressed into performance. Even with pre-planning, autos are problematic. Ask Squeaky Frome, who squeezed off a shot at the president, with a magazine-loaded .45...and was immediately apprehended. No round in the chamber. This could happen during shooting too, as sometimes was the case with the famous Luger...which could fail to pick up a fresh round and reload. Click.

Also, unless it's a .45, police engagements have shown that even successfully emptying a magazine of 9mm's into an assailant when under mortal pressure is far from a guarantee of a stop.

Therefore, I very humbly suggest that you select a well-made .357, either snub or up to 4", and head for the range. Pass the word.

BTW...just to reinforce the point that y'makes yer choice an' y'takes yer OWN chances...what will I be packing on my next such engagement, before my planned healthy retirement ?....

...a Belgian made Browning High Power, loaded with Cor-Bon bonded JHPs. It usually works...is flat, and in this circumstance..5 or 6 of anything may not, tragically, be enough. No war...just survival, and work. Preparedness for personal survival goes well with my suit, too.
75 posted on 01/30/2003 11:49:23 AM PST by PoorMuttly ("Ask not for whom the Muttly digs under the birdbath in the backyard...he digs for thee.")
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To: Squantos
I like Charter Arms and I often slip a Charter Arms undercover .38spl into a coat poscket just to have something handy for walking to the mailbox.
76 posted on 01/30/2003 11:54:37 AM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: PoorMuttly
In my original post I certainly did not mean to in any way imply that a .357 magnum could not be an ideal gun for home defense most especially at oh dark thirty when the dog has awakened one and the sounds of coming in the house put one into condition red will still bleary eyed. There is no safety to play with and one has the original point and click interface.

What I was trying ablbeit probably ineffectually to point out was that each person has unique needs, hands and eyes and no prescription from afar can possibly substitute for the individual getting the knowledge to make an informed judgement.
77 posted on 01/30/2003 12:03:49 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Squantos
Ahem! even Fuscia guns do not get laughed off the range up here in CT. No I do not know what color your sidearm is but as such it can't be worse than hot pink.
78 posted on 01/30/2003 12:05:57 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: harpseal
Your useful points were quite clear, and I hope I didn't imply any contradiction. It is always a personal choice....and one realizes this quite sharply once under pressure. This is why I pitched the .357...and chose the High Power !

BTW...I sure like the stage-show gun theory. Brilliant. I always learn so much, and discover so much about myself and my true position in life, here on FR.

The question is...do I pack the Powder-Muttly-Blue with Yellow/Purple Stars one and reveal the Chartruse-with-Orange-Lighteningbolts one at the range....
79 posted on 01/30/2003 12:26:18 PM PST by PoorMuttly ("Ask not for whom the Muttly digs under the birdbath in the backyard...he digs for thee.")
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To: PoorMuttly; Squantos
mine are all black. i feel so, um, yesterday.
80 posted on 01/30/2003 12:37:26 PM PST by glock rocks
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To: glock rocks
Everything I buy from now on is going to be stainless. That doesn't mean that the guns won't stain or rust. It means that I can learn from a friend how to restore the shine and bead blast without the concern of having the gun reblued once in a while.
81 posted on 01/30/2003 1:12:00 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
:o)

a few of mine are stainless, too, but all are black, Nitron or Tenifer, with the exception my blue blackhawk.

my wife owns a couple Ruger wheelguns with stainless finish... i don't know how to take the small scratches off the barrel... is there an easy and/or inexpensive way to deal with that?
82 posted on 01/30/2003 1:56:37 PM PST by glock rocks
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To: Riley
Go to the range with her, and start her out with .38 loads if necessary and work up to heavyweight .357 loads. I have taught several women to shoot and they are comfortable with the recoil- it really isn't that bad.

Huh? I would recommend that they stick with 38+P in a lightweight to medium frame.

83 posted on 01/30/2003 2:02:44 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: Beelzebubba
It is perfectly LEGAL to purchase from a private person (non-dealer) in your own state with NO record keeping or government knowledge.

You might want to brush up on CA laws.

84 posted on 01/30/2003 2:05:41 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: glock rocks
A friend of mine uses Scotch brite, fine grit sandpaper, sharpening stones and a nail polish board that he bought from a hair styling supply house. The board is impregnated with diamond dust.

The problem is, I don't know in what order he uses this stuff. I want him to write it down but he couldn't explain it. He wanted me to watch the three hour process.

He also uses the glass bead blaster from work. He can take a field grade pistol and create a mirror finish.

I'll keep after him to explain how he does it and I'll try to remember to ping you.

I think he uses:

1. The sharpening stones.
2. The sandpaper.
3. The Scotch Brite for the small areas.
4. The diamond polish board.

I did use Flitz polishing compound on a nickeled surface and it came out great. I almost sent it out to be refinished and it came out nice.
85 posted on 01/30/2003 2:24:58 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
thanks, i'd be interested in knowing more about that project... i've got access to a bead blaster, too.

as for flitz... what a wonderful substance.

and on the eighth day, God created dremmel, and i'm on my third one.

i'm toying with jewelling bolts and receivers, the fun projects. (but i don't hone my own sears or knives - i rely on the real pros for them.)
86 posted on 01/30/2003 3:15:43 PM PST by glock rocks (HBAR & grille. bait and ammo's out back.)
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To: cinFLA
<<Huh? I would recommend that they stick with 38+P in a lightweight to medium frame.


Whatever. Some ladies have recoil concerns, I have had personal success with this approach.
87 posted on 01/30/2003 3:28:33 PM PST by Riley
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To: glock rocks
I called Dremel so they could put a straight edge on their hand held units.

I was using one on a table and just able to cut a straight line with it so I could glass bed a Garand. Instead of holding the unit, I could have just layed the unit on the table and guided it. It would be so easy if there was one flat edge on the unit.

They never answered. Oh, well.
88 posted on 01/30/2003 3:32:59 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: cinFLA
It is perfectly LEGAL to purchase from a private person (non-dealer) in your own state with NO record keeping or government knowledge.

You might want to brush up on CA laws.

Let me restate:

Federal law does not prohibit a firearms purchase from a private person (non-dealer) in your own state, even with NO record keeping or government knowledge. Certain communist states, however, do prohibit such transfers.

89 posted on 01/30/2003 5:03:20 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Beelzebubba
Federal law does not prohibit a firearms purchase from a private person (non-dealer) in your own state, even with NO record keeping or government knowledge.

Let me restate: CA law.

90 posted on 01/30/2003 5:35:05 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Your first post was snotty. Your second belied your failure to read what I wrote. If you wish to add that California is one of the communist states, have at it. Those who live under tyranny know it, or deserve their ignorance.
91 posted on 01/30/2003 7:45:29 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Beelzebubba
Your first post was snotty. Your second belied your failure to read what I wrote. If you wish to add that California is one of the communist states, have at it. Those who live under tyranny know it, or deserve their ignorance.

Those that give INCORRECT legal advice (particularly concerning firearms) should at least admit they were wrong; not attack the messenger.

92 posted on 01/30/2003 8:14:14 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
His first post recommends buying a book on gun laws. His second mentions getting acquainted with state laws. How is this bad legal advice and how did California get in the conversation?
93 posted on 01/30/2003 8:40:38 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: glock rocks
LOL !......well ya did get a SIG ...... Yer moving from the plastic age just fine ....slow and steady, baby steps.....:o)

Stay Safe !

94 posted on 01/30/2003 10:08:57 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: glock rocks
Stop in at Bell Helicopter or Granger Inc and get some 6000 grit ( yes six thousand grit) wet dry paper that they use to buff the scratches off a windscreen.

Works very well for minor scratches and if they are deeper then the 3M green scotch brite that was suggested above is a first step, with the 6000 grit paper and then some flitz or other magical panther piss to polish up her inox pistola (can I say that ?)

Stay Safe !!

95 posted on 01/30/2003 10:17:37 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: rmvh
I like a pump shotgun also but it won't fit in my purse!
96 posted on 01/31/2003 5:33:59 AM PST by Conservative Kay
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To: Shooter 2.5
His first post recommends buying a book on gun laws. His second mentions getting acquainted with state laws. How is this bad legal advice and how did California get in the conversation?

Let me refresh you on his first post (included below). He made an INCORRECT statement. His second post was made AFTER he was corrected. CA got into it as an example. Additionally, he (while mentioning going to a range with courses) leads the reader to believe that one doesn't need assistance or training. I also disagree with his statement that one should start with an autoloader vs. revolver.

(from his post)

"HOW to buy a gun: It is perfectly LEGAL to purchase from a private person (non-dealer) in your own state with NO record keeping or government knowledge."

97 posted on 01/31/2003 7:33:00 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
"HOW to buy a gun: It is perfectly LEGAL to purchase from a private person (non-dealer) in your own state with NO record keeping or government knowledge."

The key here is the phrase ..in your own state.... He was writing to someone from Louisiana.

98 posted on 01/31/2003 7:47:44 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: RogueIsland; Conservative Kay
A S&W 380 semi-automatic is good. It is small, light weight but it will stop someone.

Oh, boy. You've stirred the caliber war hornets nest up now. I do carry a .380 regularly (.45 ACP occasionally), but expect the 9mm and .45 ACP contingents to soon show up here to deride the .380 as a mousegun.

You don't want the caliber war to occur when you find out you emptied your 380 and the big fat caliber robber comes lunging at you with a knife and kills you.

99 posted on 01/31/2003 8:48:15 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: Old Mountain man
I wanted to hire her to teach marksmanship but we had to charge her with murder.

LOL! I thought ladies in jail sometime gave tips to police officers....

100 posted on 01/31/2003 8:50:48 AM PST by lavaroise
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