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U.S. to join international fusion project
The Washington Times ^ | January 30, 2003

Posted on 01/30/2003 4:24:57 PM PST by Indy Pendance

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:00:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PRINCETON, N.J., Jan. 30 (UPI) -- The United States will join negotiations to build and operate a major international fusion research project, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham said Thursday.

Known as ITER -- from the Latin word meaning "the way" -- the project is intended to build on previous fusion concepts involving magnetic containment of high-temperature plasma, a state of matter so hot that even atoms cannot hold together.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energylist; fusion; realscience; techindex

1 posted on 01/30/2003 4:24:57 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
I've been following our fusion program for several years now. including ITER. The reason is that they're at the "burning plasma" stage, which means that they now need to investigate how the plasma behaves when it's over the break-even point--when the energy from the fusion is keeping the plasma heated more than the energy from the electrical grid. That is, more energy coming out than going in. I read a report from some scientists last year and everyone is unanimous; this is the next step in the research chain, and it's absolutely necessary.
2 posted on 01/30/2003 4:28:51 PM PST by Windcatcher
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To: Indy Pendance

3 posted on 01/30/2003 4:31:29 PM PST by pabianice
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To: Indy Pendance
The next thing you know, we'll be told we can just pop some food into a container and bombard it with some kind of waves, using no gas or heat. Just silly!(/humor)
4 posted on 01/30/2003 4:41:02 PM PST by Mark
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To: Windcatcher
Were we not originally in ITER in the early '90s?
5 posted on 01/30/2003 4:54:26 PM PST by CasearianDaoist
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6 posted on 01/30/2003 5:04:33 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: CasearianDaoist
We were, but Congress backed out in 1998. Since then it's undergone something of a redesign, due to some breakthroughs that have been found since then. It was originally going to use a purely (old-style) toroidal design, but now they're looking at newer techniques like the spherical torus. Also, we had a team at Princeton doing our own research which was yielding some terrific results. Now that they're looking into "burning plasma" which by its nature requires a much larger apparatus, it makes sense to join forces with other countries to spread around the cost.
7 posted on 01/30/2003 5:17:00 PM PST by Windcatcher
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To: Indy Pendance
This is the project the president should have touted in his SOTUS, not the hydrogen car.
8 posted on 01/30/2003 5:17:39 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: Windcatcher
the spherical torus

Got a schematic diagram or verbal description of this? I'm okay up to the doughnut shape concept and even the twisted doughnut--cruller.

9 posted on 01/30/2003 5:25:15 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
Here's Princeton's homepage for the NSTX (National Spherical Torus Experiment):

http://www.pppl.gov/projects/pages/nstx.html

Basically a spherical torus is a sphere, with the center cut out. I'm not a fusion expert, but it seems that changing the aspect ratio makes it a lot more efficient--the ratio of magnetic field strength to plasma temperature/pressure is lower (you don't need as much energy to maintain the plasma pressure).
10 posted on 01/30/2003 5:30:43 PM PST by Windcatcher
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To: Indy Pendance
U.S. to join international fusion project

Hmmmm...are we joining a new jazz band?

11 posted on 01/30/2003 5:34:09 PM PST by wimpycat (Managed to get through highschool and college without taking Physics)
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To: Indy Pendance
"Science in the 21st Century is often a global effort," Abraham said. "Time and again, homegrown scientific discoveries turn out to be not so homegrown after all. Often, international cooperation is indispensable to achieving results."

Typical "let somebody else lead the way" globalist doubletalk.

12 posted on 01/30/2003 5:35:22 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Windcatcher
I've followed it a little, but probably not as much as you. It's a fascinating concept. (Old college physics)
13 posted on 01/30/2003 5:37:08 PM PST by Indy Pendance (They're not left, they're East)
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To: Moonman62
The hydrogen car concept, I believe, was aimed strictly for the liberals and envirowackos. This is a harder concept to understand.
14 posted on 01/30/2003 5:40:46 PM PST by Indy Pendance (They're not left, they're East)
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To: Windcatcher
Thanks for all the information!
15 posted on 01/30/2003 5:41:24 PM PST by Indy Pendance (They're not left, they're East)
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To: Windcatcher
The cored apple. Thanks. Supposedly I've had enough math to deal with this, so I'll see what I might find in the literature.
16 posted on 01/30/2003 5:43:08 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Indy Pendance
I have a Master's in Physics, in 1994, but I made the choice to get out. I had a part-time job as a software developer, and I decided I liked doing that a lot more (it's also turned out to be lucrative). I was TERRIBLE at nuclear physics :)
17 posted on 01/30/2003 5:48:12 PM PST by Windcatcher
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To: Windcatcher
I liked studying nuclear physics. I agree about the pay in any science field. I'm an engineer and we get the shaft compared to less demanding degrees. I know our chemists do as well. I wish I would have known back then what I know now. The harder the degree, the less pay..... So, I got an MBA to compensate. It helped.
18 posted on 01/30/2003 5:55:38 PM PST by Indy Pendance (They're not left, they're East)
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To: Indy Pendance
"The hydrogen car concept, I believe, was aimed strictly for the liberals and envirowackos. This is a harder concept to understand."

What's so hard to understand? We've all seen Mr.Fusion in action in a Back To The Future movie! The plasma container better be real strong to take a hit, if it's in any car I drive.

19 posted on 01/30/2003 5:55:56 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Indy Pendance
Go for the less glamorous jobs, like the power utility company. It's for life and the pay is good.
20 posted on 01/30/2003 5:59:02 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
Less glamourous than plastics manufacturing? How boring is that?
21 posted on 01/30/2003 6:01:36 PM PST by Indy Pendance (They're not left, they're East)
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To: RightWhale
Yup. One of my closest friends works for PECO. He'll have his twenty put in a few years from now, and me makes great money...But I work indoors :)

Of course, he didn't have to go through college and grad school... :/
22 posted on 01/30/2003 6:02:19 PM PST by Windcatcher
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To: Windcatcher
I also seem to remember that Boeing is a contractor for ITER. Some structure in the containment wall/blanket, I think. I thought ITER got bogged down with the usual Euro infighting crapola - They have been "negotiating" for years. Do you think something will actually happen now? Also, wasn't the Euro site in Spain?

What I really like about all of this is that it shows a deep intellectual sophistication on the part of Bush and his people. I truly doubt that the Clintonistas, Gore or the Eco-nazis have ever heard of ITER. There was a rumor about 8 months ago that we were going back into the deal. I told my leftie techno, eco-geek buddies (I live in NYC, so you can imagine what I go through) that Bush was hip to fusion; of course they had never heard of ITER. BTW, are you a physicist?

23 posted on 01/30/2003 6:11:18 PM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: Indy Pendance
Material science ?, Polymers & ceramics ? (sigh)...I work as CADD op.
your sounds exciting...grass always greener... :)
24 posted on 01/30/2003 8:38:10 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just be because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: CasearianDaoist
I have a Master's in Physics, but I work as a software developer. I decided to do what I like more (and to go where the money was).
25 posted on 01/30/2003 8:40:34 PM PST by Windcatcher
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To: pabianice
Is that 1701,-A,-B ?
26 posted on 01/30/2003 8:41:23 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just be because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: Indy Pendance
Fuel cells for cars; fusion for the power grid.

traitorrapist42 was fixated on thongs.

Which is the limited intelligence in this picture?

27 posted on 01/30/2003 9:08:29 PM PST by PhilDragoo
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To: skinkinthegrass
It's NX-01, actually, from the new "Enterprise" TV show.
28 posted on 01/31/2003 8:30:20 AM PST by pabianice
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