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The Cat in Ancient Egypt
Tour Egypt ^ | FR Posts 1-30-2003 (April 1st, 2001) | By Ilene Springer

Posted on 01/31/2003 2:29:42 PM PST by vannrox

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To: AnAmericanMother
NONE of my girls will let me clip their claws. They're too spoiled and know they can make me stop. The groomer or vet does it and they just hang there like your Blue boy. They're all brats and it is amazing that all the strays who wandered in here are feisty females. Maybe if we had a male or two it wouldn't be so much of a zoo.

Two girls want to dominate, one is feral we got around 10 weeks old, and one is a loner who defends her two-room territory, which is okay because that's where I work and play.

151 posted on 03/12/2003 8:00:47 PM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: sciencediet
I'm afraid I run a pretty tight ship. The cats will fool around, but they know when I'm serious and they straighten right up. When I first started clipping the middle girl's claws she would get completely hysterical (now she's just pretending to be hysterical on purpose) so I wrapped her in a beach towel. I think it's in "All Creatures Great and Small" that somebody tells the vet, "Herriott, you have your limitations, but by God you can wrap a cat." I really CAN wrap a cat. Zip-zip-zip, and they look like an ancient Egyptian cat mummy from Bubastis before they can say meow. She finally decided that it was such a blow to her dignity to be trussed like a turkey that she would rather sit wriggling and complaining for the minute or two it takes to clip . . . ;-)

Siamese are easy to claw-clip because their nails are clear. Clipping my dog's nails makes me very nervous because she's a Chocolate Lab and her nails are jet black, so I can't see the quick and have to judge length by the angle of the claw. Fortunately she is a very energetic dog and wears her own nails down to a decent length.

Exactly how many cats do you have?

152 posted on 03/13/2003 5:55:37 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . cat convention has adjourned for morning nap time . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
We have two kitten/cats. We let them stay out all day last Saturday for the first time. When they came in that night their paws were filthy from all the dirt romping. We took them in the bathroom and washed their feet with washcloth and you should have seen them enjoying the foot wash. Sheeeesh! They even spread their toes so we could get in between. It was so funny! They haven't been interested in going outside since then. I love my kitties.
153 posted on 03/13/2003 6:01:02 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: AnAmericanMother
Four stray cats looked us up and moved in when we were down to one who was 22 years old. So we have four unique females now who all showed up in less than a year. The first one actually came from the ASPCA to keep the 22 year-old company because she'd lost a buddy. Then the most emaciated cat in the world showed up and we just had to feed her. Then the poor helpless feral gray tabby tiny kitten - couldn't say no to her. Finally the most gorgeous cat in the world came into our lives, Sam "don't call me Samantha" Siames.

Never did get that wrap right though I always clipped my cats claws. Circumstances are different now and I need to have the vet do it.

154 posted on 03/13/2003 7:48:49 AM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: sciencediet
Wow! You must have a very attractive four star establishment for felines! Probably the Lab patrolling the yard discourages any applicants at our house -- although she would never hurt a cat. She doesn't even hurt birds that she finds in the yard (she once caught one and brought it to me alive and unhurt.) Now, as for squirrels . . . I wouldn't warrant a squirrel's safety at our house. :-D
155 posted on 03/13/2003 7:58:11 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . cat convention is STILL adjourned for late-morning nap time . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother
There are a lot of woods where we live, but we never had an onslaught like that year when four showed up within about 9 or 10 months. You turned on a lightbulb with your mention of dogs; dogs don't populate this neighborhood like they used to, although we do have fox.

We have found homes for strays in the past and we found the owners of a couple of them; one cat who went home to his owner had been missing six months and the other nearly a year, and seeing the reunions made it all worthwhile.

My cats have three birdseed feeders and two suet feeders which they observe through windows and sliding doors that open onto a deck. Squirrels like the cats and vice versa, and they play through the glass.

156 posted on 03/13/2003 8:14:03 AM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: AnAmericanMother
And the feral tabby is the only hunter. She's a stocky tabby and, though she loves mice, we try to keep them away from her because she makes such a gawd awful mess with them. I'd hate to see her with a squirrel. She is so strong she throws shoes, heavy leather shoes, for fun.
157 posted on 03/13/2003 8:19:24 AM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Very interesting article. I liked this quote in particular: My personal theory is that Siamese with clear coats have the ticked tabby pattern in their genotype, which of course is invisible. Those with body markings and patches, to a greater or lesser degree, on shoulders, hips, flanks, stifle, belly, or groin, have mackerel or blotched tabby patterns. Fortunately we are given a clue, as kittens briefly show ghosting between 2-4 weeks and this is how I selected my Benwell Seal Points for good colour - they were well known for their cream coats.

Never heard that one before.

I can't say I agree that coat colors were better in the old days, when I look at the photos in books like Marge Naples book and Phyl Wade's book, I see quite a few seals with a nice clear cream-colored coat but I also see a LOT of body splotches, along the back and shoulder, which you rarely see today. One of the problems today (as I'm sure it was back then) is you don't see cats or photos of cats over 2 years of age. When I'm at shows I always try to sit through premier judging just because so often that is the only opportunity to see older cats from todays lines.

I do think that across the board profiles were much better 30 years ago. What did you think of Singa cats? Jeanne being the legend that she is, were they long-lived and healthy? Good temperments? Did they hold their color into old age? I don't think I've ever seen any but black and white photos and to the best of my knowledge there aren't any in active breeding anymore.

Sin-Chiang had a cat, Sin-Chiang Brandie of De Vegas that had a very unique look, very almond shaped eyes and huge ears for her time (though too closely set by todays standards). I'm always looking to find her in a pedigree.

158 posted on 03/13/2003 9:06:07 AM PST by HetLoo
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To: sciencediet
My lilac Siamese purrs while I clip her claws :) 'Course she also purrs while you stick a thermometer up her butt, give her shots, manhandle her, pet her, talk to her, look at her... She loves attention. All her kits and the rest of our cat family (including the studs) tolerate claw clipping very nicely, though they prefer to be alone in the room while its done; I think they feel vulnerable while their claws are temporarily not under their control. And one boy had to be bribed with treats, but he soon figured out that claw trimming meant he got food so then it was good.
159 posted on 03/13/2003 9:20:24 AM PST by HetLoo
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To: HetLoo
The Singa and Thai-Bok lines are very intertwined. Chantara also had a lot of Singa back of it. So my "middle cat" has significant Singa breeding on both sides. She is healthy except for bad teeth and slightly reduced kidney function at age 12.

My other two current cats, my former kitties and the sires I bred them to do not have a lot of Singa blood, other than what was outcrossed into Thaibok 5 generations back in one of my late queens line. Really don't know much about Singa from personal experience, although Blue Minstrel was a handsome kitty. Hatcher had an extremely pretty Minstrel daughter, a sealpoint, Singa Waltz Time of Rich-Hat, and also a New Moon Eclipse grandson, but I was interested only in blues and lilacs so I stuck to her other two stud cats, Apache and Hot Shot. (My Blue queen so definitely preferred Apache that even while she was confined with Hot Shot she would languish against Apache's side of the stud cage and make eyes at him. This annoyed Hot Shot so much that he expressed his displeasure into Apache's water dish . . . :-D )

I have heard of In Lieu although that cattery doesn't crop up anywhere in my lines. I was prowling on a couple of pedigree websites, and In Lieu has a lot of Maloja as well as New Moon and Elo-Yse (for whom I have a soft spot on account of Hi-Soks, my parents' Lilac's grandsire).

160 posted on 03/13/2003 9:53:45 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . cat convention has risen from morning nap time and is taking lunch . . .)
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To: HetLoo
All previous cats were pretty easy to clip their claws. I don't know what it is with these. When it got to the point I could clip one or two nails and they'd escape, they held such grudges toward me that I ceded. There's nothing worse in my mind than a feisty female feline feeling funky toward their mommy so I let the groomer or vet do it, then the cats can blame someone else.
161 posted on 03/13/2003 11:38:05 AM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Sandn'Sea had some nice cats. I am curious about your blue/lilac program. It seems that 30 years ago people who wanted to breed lilacs had a blue and lilac program, and nowadays people who want to breed lilacs have a chocolate and lilac program. Were blues just more popular back then? Or is there some advantage to combining blues and lilacs v. Chocolates and lilacs?
162 posted on 03/13/2003 2:23:01 PM PST by HetLoo
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To: HetLoo
It was the "received wisdom" at the time that mixing chocolates and blues was not a good idea. The idea was that putting the seal gene into the mix by having the chocolates in the breeding program might "muddy" the tone of the blue gene. Genetics isn't like simple math, recessives aren't always totally recessive, and it was thought that some of the seal coloring might give the blues a brownish cast instead of the desired slate blue. I can vouch for this, because one of my current cats is almost exclusively blue and lilac breeding, and his coat is the true straight blue, while the other has a lot of seal and chocolate in her pedigree and her tone is indeed more brownish than the other cat's. (Obviously, it wouldn't affect the lilacs one way or the other since they're two doses of double recessives . . .) I'm sure the reasoning behind breeding chocolates and lilacs is that then you have a better chance of getting the "dilute" gene in 100 percent of every litter.

The goal at that time was to breed "true blue" and lilac only in five generations. My old Blue queen was 100 percent BP until you got back to the fourth generation, where there was ONE chocolate and ONE lilac. (I just went digging in my old files and found out that she had Blue-Iris back of her as well in the sixth generation - I had forgotten but that's probably why I bought her. She was my first cat after we got married and that bloodline was a strong recommendation. She was a bit undersized with a bad nose break, but she was one of those cats that throws kittens superior to herself.) My Lilac girl was about 3/4 Lilac once you got back 5 generations (it was a little harder to stick to that hard and fast rule with Lilacs as rare as they were then.)

I'm very interested in the theory about the difference in body markings between the various underlying tabby patterns. I did always check for "ghost" markings on my kittens before they shed their kitten coat, but again the "received wisdom" was that the cats with the dirty-looking kitten coats had the clearest coats as adults. So I don't know.

163 posted on 03/13/2003 3:53:13 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . the cats are conferring about whether they will allow the dog to have dinner.)
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To: NEWwoman
Actually I think cats are very interesting animals. I have one of my animals. your wrong. If a robber tried to come in then It would help you! I love cats. I start My own magazine of cats and kittens. I started alot of Egyptian cat stuff!
164 posted on 03/28/2005 2:16:37 PM PST by chelsearieh4
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To: JRandomFreeper

people would worship cats in Egypt. They thought that if you died then a women would come back as cat women! People in Egypt think that because they have cats there that stay alive for so long and worship cats.


165 posted on 03/28/2005 2:21:38 PM PST by chelsearieh4
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To: vannrox

Yes, I agree!


166 posted on 03/28/2005 2:22:39 PM PST by chelsearieh4
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To: chelsearieh4

Its still me. I was wrong some people in egypt dont beleive! Reaallly soorry!


167 posted on 03/28/2005 2:25:26 PM PST by chelsearieh4
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To: vannrox

If you find out anything a bout cats tell me!


168 posted on 03/28/2005 2:30:39 PM PST by chelsearieh4
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To: chelsearieh4
Welcome to FR, chelsearieh4.

I wonder ... how did you find this thread? There have been no posts to it in 2 years, then you sign up today to post to it. I see that occur occasionally, where a long dead thread is suddenly alive again at the hands of a new member, and always wonder how it happens. Please tell me.

Here is a picture of my 'divine creatures':


169 posted on 03/28/2005 2:37:26 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: SamAdams76

Egypt...


170 posted on 03/28/2005 2:42:09 PM PST by Axenolith (The 23rd Century will be here sooner than you think...)
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To: vannrox
Interesting.

It is funny, there is this tune still going through my head and it is 24 years old - from Boy Scout Summer Camp at Camp Ransburg near Bloomington IN by Lake Monroe. The lyrics always start with , "The Cat Came Back....." I wonder if they still sing of it today.
171 posted on 03/28/2005 2:42:28 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: spodefly

how cute are your littles creatures!!!!!!


172 posted on 03/29/2005 4:35:52 PM PST by chelsearieh4
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To: chelsearieh4

Thank you, chelsearieh4 ... they are the best kitties in the world.

Are you going to tell me how you found this 2 year old thread? I am curious as to how that happens ...


173 posted on 03/29/2005 5:02:47 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: spodefly

spodefly, I'm obviously not the OP, but I've done it once or twice myself. Both times it was because I did a search to avoid posting a dupe, found a related thread and posted to it without realizing that it was fossilized. I've always assumed that most of these get bumped up the same way.


174 posted on 03/29/2005 5:18:06 PM PST by Arthalion
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To: Arthalion

They joined and then made their first post to this thread, and it was the first post to the thread in 2 years. I have seen that happen before a time or two and wondered about it. I can see joining and jumping on one of the existing threads obviously, but it seemed like they joined just for this thread.

Just one of those curiosity sort of things us cat people are known for.


175 posted on 03/29/2005 6:29:00 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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176 posted on 07/18/2005 8:18:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Pretty good article...


177 posted on 07/19/2005 6:57:33 AM PDT by technochick99 (firearm of choice: Sig Sauer)
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To: vannrox

Mmmmmmmuuuuummm - stir fried with snow peas and bamboo shoots.


178 posted on 07/19/2005 7:05:04 AM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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To: vannrox

I am highly offended with the aspect of non understanding of Sekhmet. Sehkemt is one of the Origional 8 who made Atlantis. Those 8 moved out wards and settled in the 4 corners of earth. Sehkmet and her Husband Made Egypt...Sehkemt isn’t a Cat Goddess nor a Rival...She is the Mother of All Egypt...I am very very highly Offended on all lack of understanding of the True Ancient Egyptians...Cat’s are the Gaurdians of the Underworld. Do more research before posting your assumptions of something that you do not understand in the near future.


179 posted on 05/08/2007 10:34:30 PM PDT by Sehkmet
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180 posted on 01/18/2010 10:06:54 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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