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AMA outraged over mandatory biker organ-donor bill
AMA ^ | jan 30 2003 | AMA

Posted on 02/03/2003 3:00:57 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod

Jan. 30 – The AMA has expressed its outrage at a proposed law in New Mexico that could make some motorcyclists into forced organ donors. The proposal, introduced in the New Mexico Legislature by state Sen. Allen Hurt (R-Waterflow), would allow the harvesting of organs from any motorcyclist who doesn't wear a helmet and is declared brain dead as a result of an accident. Hurt's bill, designated Senate Bill 239, specifically states that: "a person operating a motorcycle without a helmet and who, as the result of an accident, is pronounced brain dead pursuant to Section 12-2-4 NMSA 1978 by a licensed physician shall become an organ donor regardless of whether the person made an anatomical gift by completing the organ donor statement…"

If the bill becomes law, it would take effect on July 1.

The AMA, which represents more than 250,000 motorcyclists across the country, said that Hurt's proposal represents a new low in the relationship between anti-motorcycling government officials and riders

"Organ donation is a noble cause that truly can represent the gift of life for people faced with some terminal illnesses," noted Sean Maher, AMA director of state affairs. "But making the commitment to become an organ donor must remain a private decision left to each person. "Classifying an entire group of citizens as nothing more than organs to be harvested isn't just demeaning to motorcyclists, it's offensive to all Americans," he said.

The AMA is organizing opposition to the Hurt proposal. New Mexico motorcyclists can help by going to the StateWatch section of the AMA Rapid Response Center. There, they can send letters of protest to their state lawmakers.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: ama; ghouls; motorcycle; organ; organdonor
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1 posted on 02/03/2003 3:00:58 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: KneelBeforeZod
update...

Victory in New Mexico!
Feb. 3 – New Mexico state Sen. Allen Hurt (R-Waterflow) has informed the AMA that he will withdraw Senate Bill 239, which could have forced some motorcyclists to become organ donors.

AMA leadership learned of Sen. Hurt's intentions this afternoon in a message which read, in part: "You win ... I'm pulling New Mexico SB 239."

Late last Thursday, the AMA had expressed its outrage at SB 239, which, if it had passed, would have allowed the harvesting of organs from any motorcyclist who didn't wear a helmet and was declared brain dead as a result of an accident.

"This victory demonstrates how powerful our voice can be when American motorcyclists speak together," said Sean Maher, AMA Director of State Affairs. "When New Mexico state officials received more than 1,100 e-mails opposing SB 239, they got the message, and Sen. Hurt acted quickly to withdraw his proposal."

The AMA organized opposition to the bill, urging motorcyclists to use the AMA Rapid Response Center—part of the Association's website, AMADirectlink.com—to send a message to Hurt and the New Mexico Legislature's leadership.

© 2003, American Motorcyclist Association

2 posted on 02/03/2003 3:01:58 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: KneelBeforeZod
Bozos.....yes I am a biker and a donor.
3 posted on 02/03/2003 3:06:03 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: KneelBeforeZod
Mandatory sterilization for politicians!!
4 posted on 02/03/2003 3:06:30 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: KneelBeforeZod
This guy was on the local talk station 770. He is a comlete idiot, and couldn't defend his bill against questions from either the host or the callers. If being brain dead is what it takes, he's first in line.

Shoei RF 700, Aerostich Roadcrafter, and I'm a donor too, but that's MY choice and MY business.

5 posted on 02/03/2003 3:08:08 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: KneelBeforeZod
Ride fast !! Leave no usable organs.
6 posted on 02/03/2003 3:08:28 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: martin_fierro
Unleash the Hooligan Biker Ping List!
7 posted on 02/03/2003 3:08:49 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: AdamSelene235
Geez, and the guy's a Republican, too. Usually, these specific punishment kind of laws are crafted by Dems.

That being said, I'm getting a kidney transplant in two days. 20% of people waiting for kidney transplants die every year, and the average wait is between 3 and 5 years. I support the automatic presumption of organ donation for everybody. Then, instead of putting an "I do" sticker on your license, you'd have the option of an "I don't" sticker.

Belgium and Spain do this, and have no need of live donors for kidneys, and have no waiting list for transplants.

(N.B. I've been a motorcyclist, too.)

8 posted on 02/03/2003 3:08:57 PM PST by MoralSense
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To: KneelBeforeZod
The immediate harvesting of "brains" from legislators proposig asinine laws would be more appropriate. Much knowledge of mental disturbance could be gathered from close study of such brains.
9 posted on 02/03/2003 3:09:42 PM PST by per loin
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To: MoralSense
A grabby atitude like that is likely to turn decent folk away from donations altogether. No one has a right to another's organs. They are gifts, given or not at the doner's pleasure.
11 posted on 02/03/2003 3:14:09 PM PST by per loin
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To: MoralSense
. I support the automatic presumption of organ donation for everybody. Then, instead of putting an "I do" sticker on your license, you'd have the option of an "I don't" sticker.

Tricky property rights question. Of course, once I'm dead, I assume my self-ownership has expired. I could see some families getting awfully touchy about it.

12 posted on 02/03/2003 3:15:24 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: KneelBeforeZod
This guy might as well become a democrat; he sure thinks like one.
13 posted on 02/03/2003 3:15:47 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: MoralSense
I sympathize with you but disagree. It's my body and I want all of it to go with me. I don't want an automatic presumption on the part of some doctor that he can harvest my organs at will if he can't find my "please leave me alone" card in the mangled wreck. Sorry, I just want to go out with what I came in with.
14 posted on 02/03/2003 3:21:03 PM PST by Arkie2
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To: KneelBeforeZod
This is what I hate about the Republicans.

When they get away from the Constitution and basic right and wrong they become just as tyranical as any democrat who ever rolled down the pike.

Once they're off the plantation, there's no difference between these two groups who never met a civil liberty they liked or a person or group who didn't need to be "controlled" somehow.

I hope the voters remember this idiot come election time and toss him by the wayside.

15 posted on 02/03/2003 3:21:58 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (A Shrubbery!)
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To: Arkie2
Not until Dr. Frankenstein is done with you...
16 posted on 02/03/2003 3:23:30 PM PST by observer5
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To: KneelBeforeZod
But what about braindead politicians?
Hearts good! Never been used!
Lungs good! Blowhard exercise!
Eyes good! Never used vision potential!
17 posted on 02/03/2003 3:23:55 PM PST by G Larry ($10K gifts to John Thune before he announces!)
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To: G Larry
But what about braindead politicians?

The good news is that we found you a liver...
The bad news is that it's Teddy K's.

18 posted on 02/03/2003 3:28:02 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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BFL
19 posted on 02/03/2003 3:28:37 PM PST by HighRoadToChina (Never Again!)
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To: G Larry
And they're already brain dead so there's no waiting!
20 posted on 02/03/2003 3:28:59 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: observer5
Hmm( visions of Madeleine Kahn ). Let me think about it!
21 posted on 02/03/2003 3:29:43 PM PST by Arkie2
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To: KneelBeforeZod
The State owns you while you are alive (income taxes, property taxes, what you can eat and drink) ... so of course the State owns you when you are dead.
22 posted on 02/03/2003 3:35:19 PM PST by ikka
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To: KneelBeforeZod
The proposal, introduced in the New Mexico Legislature by state Sen. Allen Hurt (R-Waterflow), would allow the harvesting of organs from any motorcyclist who doesn't wear a helmet and is declared brain dead as a result of an accident. Hurt's bill, designated Senate Bill 239, specifically states that: "a person operating a motorcycle without a helmet and who, as the result of an accident, is pronounced brain dead pursuant to Section 12-2-4 NMSA 1978 by a licensed physician shall become an organ donor regardless of whether the person made an anatomical gift by completing the organ donor statement…"
I believe the good people of New Mexico should see to that the organs of Sen. Allen Hurt are removed and put to good use, immediately!
23 posted on 02/03/2003 3:42:13 PM PST by TightSqueeze (From the Department of Homeland Security, sponsors of Liberty-Lite, Less Freedom! / Red Tape!)
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To: KneelBeforeZod
Damn. I'm a biker and a donor but that's cause I wanna be.
24 posted on 02/03/2003 3:44:16 PM PST by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: KneelBeforeZod
This sonofabitch needs his organs harvested immediately in public without benefit of an anaesthetic.
25 posted on 02/03/2003 3:53:55 PM PST by RLK
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To: KneelBeforeZod
Hey, why wait til they're dead??? Get 'em after 2 speeding tickets...They we can get "all" the organs...There is after all, a serious shortage of fully functional brains in the political spectrum...
26 posted on 02/03/2003 3:54:05 PM PST by Iscool
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To: KneelBeforeZod
I'm a biker and a donor both of with I choose to do.
As a matter of fact I just joined a biker club called His Laboring Few
27 posted on 02/03/2003 3:55:36 PM PST by Gone_Postal
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To: per loin
Naah. The harvest would be lousy every year.
28 posted on 02/03/2003 4:01:19 PM PST by SAJ
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To: KneelBeforeZod
We call them Donorcycles in the Emergency Room.
29 posted on 02/03/2003 4:07:01 PM PST by SC DOC
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To: SC DOC
I drive an older V-Max. You'd be lucky to harvest my teeth after an accident.
30 posted on 02/03/2003 4:41:55 PM PST by SandfleaCSC (Diplomacy is the art of saying, "Nice doggie", until you can find a large enough rock.)
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To: SC DOC
We call them Donorcycles in the Emergency Room.

A bit of "gallows humor," eh?

I imagine the majority of donors come to you as a result of motor-vehicle accidents; I survived a nasty one 40 years ago when the car I was in was struck by a strong crosswind (Corvair) running along the Gulf coast in Florida and I was thrown almost 100 feet into the brushy dunes.

I had a hemothorax and a pneumothorax that was treated by draining the pleural chamber, but it wasn't until 11/2 years later that the doctor performing my exit physical determined that the persistent stiffness of my left thumb was a result of the same wreck - I had a severed extensor pollex longus; now, I can flex it fine after they grafted a tendon from my left forefinger.

Amazing what a bit of stitching can accomplish.

As noble as organ donation sounds, I don't believe we are yet at the point where it is the purview of the state to designate the donor.

31 posted on 02/03/2003 4:53:17 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: AdamSelene235
Mandatory sterilization for LIBERALS
32 posted on 02/03/2003 4:55:47 PM PST by Mikey
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To: AdamSelene235
"Bozos.....yes I am a biker and a donor.

Yeah your a voluntary donor. How'd you feel if you didn't beleive in donating and you were forced to become a donor?

SCHMUCK

O'yeah I also ride and I don't believe in donating because you donate and then your organs go to the highest bidder.

What is someone doesn't believe in donating because of religeous reason's?

33 posted on 02/03/2003 5:03:11 PM PST by Mikey
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To: Tijeras_Slim
maybe teddy has had his own transplant already----what ever happened to steven speilberg's kidney failure episode?
34 posted on 02/03/2003 5:04:56 PM PST by Taffini
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35 posted on 02/03/2003 5:08:05 PM PST by martin_fierro (OK, SOMEBODY TURN DOWN THE "CARMEN BURANDA" MUSIC!)
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To: Mikey
Yeah your a voluntary donor. How'd you feel if you didn't beleive in donating and you were forced to become a donor?

I would be completely opposed. Isn't that clear from my posts? I was calling the sponsor a bozo.

PUTZ

36 posted on 02/03/2003 5:12:11 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
Tricky property rights question. Of course, once I'm dead, I assume my self-ownership has expired. I could see some families getting awfully touchy about it.

It would make an interesting court case if one were to will their entire remains to their heirs for proper burial or disposal. Would this be like a 'death tax'?

37 posted on 02/03/2003 5:12:59 PM PST by meyer
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To: per loin
Sorry, I don't see it as a grabby attitude. Remember, under that system, you'd have full rights to decline, or to have your family decline, organ donation. There are parallel situations. Suppose you were killed in an industrial accident or a crime? You would be autopsied -- no choice in the matter at all, because society presumes the right to information in matters of justice. It's not exactly the same, I admit. But there is a terrible societal cost to letting 80,000 people a year die for lack of kidneys.
38 posted on 02/03/2003 5:15:23 PM PST by MoralSense
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To: MoralSense
That being said, I'm getting a kidney transplant in two days.

Best of luck to you, partner. Please let your fellow freepers know when you are up and about. I'll keep you in my prayers.

39 posted on 02/03/2003 5:15:31 PM PST by meyer
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To: meyer
It would make an interesting court case if one were to will their entire remains to their heirs for proper burial or disposal.

Seems like that should be the default setting in absence of specific instructions.

40 posted on 02/03/2003 5:16:46 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
Seems like that should be the default setting in absence of specific instructions.

Oh, I agree! It generally is, unless someone passes some goofy legislation like this piece of work.

Hey, I just had another thought. Suppose you were related to someone that needed some specific organ and you lived in this state. Now, further suppose that you saw some biker riding alone on a country road with no witnesses. Do you suppose that the situation would ever arise where somebody decided to "off" a biker in order to get the organs? Do you suppose also that this might be looked at in a less punative manner, as if it were some kind of "choice"? Would a biker-killer be called "pro-choice"? Or is that a silly stretch.

41 posted on 02/03/2003 5:24:16 PM PST by meyer
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To: meyer
Do you suppose that the situation would ever arise where somebody decided to "off" a biker in order to get the organs? Do you suppose also that this might be looked at in a less punative manner, as if it were some kind of "choice"? Would a biker-killer be called "pro-choice"? Or is that a silly stretch.

Its a stretch...But people have done stranger things.

I'm simply offended by the "everything belongs to the State" mentality of the bill.

42 posted on 02/03/2003 5:32:20 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: KneelBeforeZod
I have been afraid of forcing people to be automatic donors for some time....
43 posted on 02/03/2003 5:32:49 PM PST by cherry
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To: MoralSense
. But there is a terrible societal cost to letting 80,000 people a year die for lack of kidneys.

I sympathize with those on waiting lists but think we should err on the side of the victim's family. People are not property of the State.

Why not put up posters of people saved by organ donors at the DMV and see if you can get the donation rate to increase?

44 posted on 02/03/2003 5:36:41 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: MoralSense
"But there is a terrible societal cost to letting 80,000 people a year die for lack of kidneys."

What cost? Seems both a savings and the will of G_d to me. Or is life extention yet more of the realm of the wealthy.

45 posted on 02/03/2003 5:56:54 PM PST by S.O.S121.500
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To: KneelBeforeZod
I live in "The Land of Entrapment", amd a biker and a donor, both by choice.

Aside from a blatant disregard for civil rights, this legislator should direct his concerns towards other, far more pressing and obvious issue in this state, especailly on the roadways: 1. NM has the highest incidence of DWI in tha nation...has had that dubious distinction for quite a few years. 2. NM has the second highest insurance rates in the nation 3. Actuary tables show that 60% of NM drivers are uninsured! 4. Repaet offenders (and I am amazed at the "driving withot a license, without registration and without insurance", yet these people are repeat offenders more often than not...one guy had 56 DWIs!!!!!!!!!!) 5. 40% of inner city kids in NM drop out of HS! 6. NM has one of the highest personaol income taxes in the nation, yet ranks second in median income Yeah...the legislature really needs to be concerned about the bikers and their organs!

46 posted on 02/03/2003 6:05:30 PM PST by NMFXSTC
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To: martin_fierro
It looks like some of those people weren't too far off the mark when they said harvesting of fetus body parts would soon transition into harvesting like this idiot proposes!
47 posted on 02/03/2003 6:53:32 PM PST by JudyB1938
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To: martin_fierro; SC DOC
Did someone say Donorcycles?


48 posted on 02/03/2003 8:14:38 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: AdamSelene235
Ride fast !! Leave no usable organs.

6 posted on 02/03/2003 3:08 PM PST by AdamSelene235

Love your nic. Think Mike would let us use the lunar mass driver for motorcycle stunts? :-D

49 posted on 02/03/2003 8:29:44 PM PST by Riley
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To: RLK
This sonofabitch needs his organs harvested immediately in public without benefit of an anaesthetic.

Anybody else remember the organ-donor scene in Monty Python's "The Meaning of Life", where they just show up at your house if they need your organs, pinion you to the kitchen table and take them?

50 posted on 02/03/2003 8:33:34 PM PST by Riley
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