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[VA} Republican sends Senate members plastic fetus doll [infuriating Democrats]
http://home.hamptonroads.com/supersearch/articles/print.cfm?id=49727 ^ | 2.5.03 | Justi Bergman

Posted on 02/05/2003 8:50:58 PM PST by victim soul

RICHMOND -- A Republican lawmaker infuriated Democrats Wednesday by sending members of the Senate pink plastic fetus dolls with a letter asking, ``Would you kill this child?''

Del. Richard Black of Loudoun County said the doll, which he described as a ``little Barbie doll baby'' in its first trimester, was intended to remind senators of the human side of abortion. It was accompanied by a message on official state letterhead in which Black graphically describes what happens to a fetus during an abortion.

``This is the size and shape of an actual first-trimester baby,'' the letter reads. ``Abortionists kill most babies at this stage of development.''

Both the Senate and House are considering several important abortion bills in the closing weeks of the session, with conservative legislators confident many will get through with veto-proof margins. The tide of conservatism in both chambers has so alarmed Democrats that more than a dozen lawmakers attended a news conference Wednesday where they railed against measures they say will set abortion rights in Virginia back to the days before Roe v. Wade.

But Democratic legislators saved their harshest comments for Black's letter, which Senate Minority Leader Richard Saslaw of Fairfax County said was one of the most inappropriate things he has seen in his 23 years in the Senate.

``Quite frankly, the people who saw this were pretty repulsed by it,'' he said.

Added Sen. Leslie Byrne, D-Fairfax County, ``It shocked me and, as a matter of fact, my secretary was frightened. She saw this thing in the envelope and didn't know what it was.''

``It hurts the decorum of the General Assembly,'' she said.

House Speaker William Howell, R-Stafford, also called it a bad idea. He said too much attention is being paid to hot-button issues like abortion this session.

``It does take the focus off the bigger, broader issues that we're doing, and I think that's regrettable,'' Howell said.

Saslaw pointed the blame for the ratcheted-up rhetoric at Republicans. He and other Democrats attributed it to Republicans trying to curry favor with constituents during an election year.

``I've never seen such an avalanche of this,'' he said. ``I think it's only a matter of time, hopefully sooner than later, that the women of Virginia wake up and realize what's happening.''

Black has said he believes this will be the year to pass legislation banning a late-term procedure abortion opponents call ``partial-birth abortion'' and requiring minors seeking an abortion to receive permission from a parent. But despite his strong lobbying efforts on these issues, Black maintains the fetus dolls were in good taste.

``We have these babies all around our office,'' he said. ``We're always handing them out to people.''

His message to legislators was clear: ``I want each one of them to know what they're talking about when we talk about killing children. ... It's my belief that abortion is going to end in America within 10 years.''

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: abortion; dickblack; loudoun; proliferepublican; vageneralassembly; virginia
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I wonder what would have happened if he sent a 4-D sonogram picture of a first trimester child?
1 posted on 02/05/2003 8:50:58 PM PST by victim soul
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To: victim soul
...``Quite frankly, the people who saw this were pretty repulsed by it,'' he said.

She meant that she was repulsed by having to be shown the reality that abortion is murder.

2 posted on 02/05/2003 9:00:52 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: victim soul
The one thing that infuriates democrats is the truth. To them the truth is whatever they want it to be. It's an offshoot of religious philosophies, where things like "the truth" is supposedly found in religious books.
3 posted on 02/05/2003 9:05:10 PM PST by thinktwice
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To: Sgt_Schultze
House Speaker William Howell, R-Stafford, also called it a bad idea. He said too much attention is being paid to hot-button issues like abortion this session.

``It does take the focus off the bigger, broader issues that we're doing, and I think that's regrettable,'' Howell said.

And there is the truly disgusting reality poor representative Howell is unable to fathom; our society has degenerated to the point that killing individuals in the womb is so blase that there are 'bigger, broader issues'.

blase \bla-za\ adj [F] : apathetic to pleasure or excitement as a result of excessive indulgence; also : sophisticated (C) 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary (C) 1994 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

4 posted on 02/05/2003 9:09:22 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: victim soul
Maybe we should organize and swamp congress with these dolls.
5 posted on 02/05/2003 9:21:16 PM PST by GrandmaPatriot
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To: Sgt_Schultze
I wonder if they would also be repulsed by pictures of "late term abortion" ?
6 posted on 02/05/2003 9:31:04 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: victim soul
Send it to them in an e-mail attachment: img src=http://www.gemedicalsystems.com/rad/us/4d/images/thennow/picture.gif


7 posted on 02/05/2003 9:36:01 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: victim soul
Maybe their outrage could be further enhanced by showing them these facts:

PREGNANCY OUTCOMES IN VIRGINIA

Live births:63%
Abortions: 23%
Miscarriages:15%

TEEN PREGNANCY
OUTCOMES
IN VIRGINIA

Live births:52%
Abortions: 34%
Miscarriages:14%

References for information contained above are available at

In Virginia, 147,310 of the 1,580,350 women of childbearing age become pregnant each year. 63% of these pregnancies result in live births and 23% in abortions.

Virginia's teenage pregnancy rate ranks 26th nationally. Of the 19,040 teen pregnancies each year in Virginia, 52% result in live births and 34% result in abortions.

8 posted on 02/05/2003 9:36:04 PM PST by Wolverine
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To: victim soul
``It does take the focus off the bigger, broader issues that we're doing, and I think that's regrettable,'' Howell said.

Legislators deal with very few true life or death issues ..... abortion is one of them ...... and there is no decision ever more important than one that has life or death consequences. This man's priorities are severely skewed.

9 posted on 02/05/2003 9:42:59 PM PST by kayak (God bless President Bush, God bless our military, and God bless America!)
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To: MHGinTN
Why are state republican speakers always little wimps. Here in Mn. ours is just as bad. Truth hurts deal with it.
10 posted on 02/05/2003 9:56:37 PM PST by Brimack34 (Mn. does not have a fare and balanced newspaper.)
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To: GrandmaPatriot; .30Carbine
Maybe we should organize and swamp congress with these dolls.

My thoughts exactly.

If there's nothing wrong with abortion then why were they so upset I wonder? Hmmm? Hypocrites.

11 posted on 02/05/2003 10:02:09 PM PST by TigersEye (Democrat - the abortion party. What else do they stand for?)
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To: victim soul
"I wonder what would have happened if he sent a 4-D sonogram picture of a first trimester child?"

There should be three mandatory places every congressman and senator should be required to visit and be briefed on the events that transpire at them (and the consequences of those events) - it should be a law - a requirement to serve in these offices:

#1: An abortion clinic to see an acutal abortion and view the aborted fetus.

#2: An aids clinic to see dying AIDS patients and the results of the homosexual lifestyle.

#3: A morgue in a large city that collects homeless unclaimed bodies so they can see the pitiful condition of a society that no longer cares about the value of life or the concept of loving one's neighbor as they would love themself.

14 posted on 02/05/2003 11:45:31 PM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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To: knightoftheoldrepublic; TigersEye; anniegetyourgun; Blue Collar Christian
``Quite frankly, the people who saw this were pretty repulsed by it,'' he said.

Senate Minority Leader Richard Saslaw of Fairfax County said this about a plastic model of a first-trimester baby, not about pictures such as you posted. The proponents of abortion are repulsed by pink plastic models of babies only because their minds can extrapolate the results of an abortion on such a perfectly formed human being. We are making progress, and I agree with the writer of the article above, that abortion will be a black mark on our history in 10 years or less, just as slavery and Nazi Germany now are.

We just need to keep speaking the truth in love, as Richard Black of Loudoun County is doing. God bless him and many more like him.

15 posted on 02/06/2003 2:34:24 AM PST by .30Carbine (Democrats=The Party of Death)
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To: victim soul
Great project.

Too bad the ones to the pro infanticide pols weren't soaked in cow's blood and wrapped in papers of legislation supporting such.
16 posted on 02/06/2003 2:55:15 AM PST by Quix (21st FREEPCARD FINISHED--going to get back to it soonish)
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To: victim soul
They should have included several photos of near birth infanticides! . . . in vivid color.
17 posted on 02/06/2003 2:56:19 AM PST by Quix (21st FREEPCARD FINISHED--going to get back to it soonish)
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To: Quix
Send Senate Minority Leader Richard Saslaw an email by clicking here

I recommend that you only include your name...no address unless you live in his district.

I just sent him this message:

Dear Senator Saslaw,

I understand from the news reports today that you were "repulsed" by the plastic fetus you and the other Senators/Delegates got in the mail from Delegate Black. I have no problem with him sending these.

Quite frankly, as a father of 2 children in Virginia, I am REPULSED by elected representatives in Richmond who continue to allow this pro-death, pro-abortion culture dominate our state and murder our children, the future of Virginia.

The people of Virginia are demanding that we STOP Virginia's policy of unlimited abortion on demand.

Just as the right to life dominated the previous November elections, Virginia families will be watching the abortion bills very carefully as we decide who to support and oppose in November.

Which side will you be on?

Sincerely,

18 posted on 02/06/2003 6:11:50 AM PST by Gopher Broke
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To: GrandmaPatriot
Sounds like an excellent idea.

We can start with the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Anyone with copies of their children's sonograms could do the same.
19 posted on 02/06/2003 6:15:08 AM PST by victim soul
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To: Sgt_Schultze
She was repulsed by a baby?
20 posted on 02/06/2003 6:15:53 AM PST by AppyPappy (Will Code COBOL For Food)
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To: victim soul; Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands
``Quite frankly, the people who saw this were pretty repulsed by it,'' he said.

Mission accomplished.

His message to legislators was clear: ``I want each one of them to know what they're talking about when we talk about killing children. ... It's my belief that abortion is going to end in America within 10 years.''

I hope and pray...

21 posted on 02/06/2003 6:37:34 AM PST by Coop
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To: Coop
Mission accomplished.

Yup. I hope he offended some good sense into them.

22 posted on 02/06/2003 6:44:45 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (I can hope can't I?)
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To: Coop
Roe v. Wade will be overturned within four years, IMHO...

Happy Birthday to the GREATEST POTUS in MY Lifetime--Ronald Reagan--although Dubyuh's startin' to give the Gipper a run fer his money!!

OTOH...My ol' man sent me this...

"An Open Letter to the EX-POTUS!!"

Dear Mr. EX-President Clinton:

I recently saw a bumper sticker that said, "Thank me, I voted for Clinton-Gore." So, I sat down and reflected on that, and I am sending my Thank you" for what you have done, specifically:

1. Thank you for introducing us to Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Willey, and Juanita Broderick. Did I leave anyone out?

2. Thank you for teaching my 8 year old about oral sex. I had really planned to wait until they were older to discuss it with them, but now they know more about it than I did as a senior in college.

3. Thank you for showing us that sexual harassment in the work place (especially the White House) and on the job is OK, and all you have to know is what the meaning of "is" is. It really is great to know that certain sexual acts are not sex, and one person may have sex while the other one involved does NOT have sex.

4. Thank you for reintroducing the concept of impeachment to a new generation and demonstrating that the ridiculous plot of the movie "Wag the Dog" could be plausible after all.

5. Thanks for making Jimmy Carter look competent, Gerald Ford look graceful, Richard Nixon look honest, Lyndon Johnson look truthful, and John Kennedy look moral.

6. Thank you for the 73 House and Senate witnesses who have pled the 5th Amendment and 17 witnesses who have fled the country to avoid testifying about Democratic campaign fund raising.

7. Thank you, for the 19 charges, 8 convictions, and 4 imprisonments from the Whitewater "mess" and the 55 criminal charges and 32 criminal convictions (so far) in the other "Clinton" scandals.

8. Thanks also for reducing our military by half, "gutting" much of our foreign policy, and flying all over the world on "vacations" carefully disguised as necessary trips.

9. Thank you, also, for "finding" millions of dollars--- I really didn't need it in the first place, and I can't think of a more well deserving group of recipients for my hard-earned dollars than jet fuel for all of your globe-trotting. I understand you, the family and your cronies have logged in more time aboard Air Force One than any other administration.

10. Now that you've left the White House, thanks for the 140 pardons of convicted felons and indicted felons-in-exile. We will love to have them rejoin society.

11. Thanks also for removing the White House silverware. I'm sure that Laura Bush didn't like the pattern anyway. Also, enjoy the housewarming gifts you've received from your "friends".

12. Thanks to you and your staff in the West Wing of the White House for vandalizing and destroying government property on the way out. I also appreciate removing all of that excess weight (China, silverware, linen, towels, ash trays, soap, pens, magnetic compass, flight manuals, etc.) out of Air Force One. The weight savings means burning less fuel, thus less tax dollars spent on jet fuel. Thank you!

13. And finally, please ensure that Hillary enjoys the $8 million dollar advance for her upcoming "tell-all" book and you, Bill, the $10 million advance for your memoirs. Who says crime doesn't pay!

14. The last and most important point - thank you for forcing Israel to let Mohammad Atta go free. Terrorist pilot Mohammad Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release so-called "political prisoners".

However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands. The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, "insisted" that all prisoners be released. Thus Mohammad Atta was freed and eventually thanked the US by flying an airplane into Tower One of the World Trade Center.

This was reported by many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified. It was censored in the US from all later reports. Why shouldn't Americans know the real truth?

What a guy!!

If you agree that the American public must be made aware of these facts, pass this on. God bless America and THANK YOU (once again) for spending my taxes so wisely and frugally.

SINCERELY, A U.S. Citizen

P.S. Please pass along a special thank you to Al Gore for "inventing" the Internet, without which I would not be able to send this wonderful factual e-mail.

23 posted on 02/06/2003 7:01:32 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (Sodom'sWormFood...MUD)
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To: TigersEye
I liked what Dennis Miller had to say on Hardball the other night.....he said that the anti-war Democrats might come on board if you just kinda said you planned to "abort" Saddam.
24 posted on 02/06/2003 7:04:47 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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To: victim soul
BTTT for pro-life!
25 posted on 02/06/2003 7:11:56 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: victim soul
**I wonder what would have happened if he sent a 4-D sonogram picture of a first trimester child?**

Like these pictures?

26 posted on 02/06/2003 7:13:20 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Corin Stormhands; Coop
"Mission Accomplished."

"Yup, I hope he offended some good sense into them."

We hope, and we pray, for nothing is impossible with God.

I have to be reminded of God's power constantly when it comes to the conversion of Satan's legion, the Democrats(and some Repubs? like Howell.)
27 posted on 02/06/2003 7:14:22 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: Gopher Broke
Good letter!
28 posted on 02/06/2003 7:14:59 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: MHGinTN
"Send it to them in an e-mail attachment."

How many weeks is this if you know?
29 posted on 02/06/2003 7:17:58 AM PST by Potemkin_village_idiot
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To: Salvation
Sweet Salvation!

Both these websites are good stuff to steer any friends to considering an abortion:

www.prolife.com

www.prochoice.com

I've seen it work.
30 posted on 02/06/2003 7:23:04 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: Mudboy Slim
Liked it Bump.
31 posted on 02/06/2003 7:25:06 AM PST by Kryptonite
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To: Kryptonite
"So did I" bump backatcha...MUD
32 posted on 02/06/2003 7:35:28 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (Sodom'sWormFood...MUD)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
Both these websites are good stuff to steer any friends to considering an abortion:

Great links!
33 posted on 02/06/2003 7:48:59 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: ErnBatavia
...you just kinda said you planned to "abort" Saddam.

Right, I read that too. "Just think of it as a choice..." I love Dennis Miller's sarcasm. I hope he keeps ripping on the left with it.

34 posted on 02/06/2003 7:49:30 AM PST by TigersEye (Democrat - the abortion party. What else do they stand for?)
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To: Potemkin_village_idiot
Around 20 weeks to 24 weeks judging by how much room the little one appears to have (just guess on the age though). After wk 30, the quarters are much more cramped.
35 posted on 02/06/2003 7:51:04 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: .30Carbine
Thanx for keeping me in mind.

With God's Love, BCC
36 posted on 02/06/2003 7:53:12 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: TigersEye
Dennis Miller is funny, but believe me, he's more left than right most of the time. Let's just enjoy his visit on the right.

RE: your tag line.

What else do they stand for? Socialism, no personal responsibility, no liberty.
37 posted on 02/06/2003 7:57:49 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: victim soul; iceskater; jla; Corin Stormhands; P8riot; maxwell; Bub
I was driving in downtown Richmond last week on one of those waaaaay cold days and ran accross 6-8 folks who had blanketed the one-way trek up 9th Street from Grace (the vehicular entry into the VA State Capitol) to Broad (accross from Richmond's City Hall) with that cut-up fetus poster. My first reaction was disgust, of course, and then I thought as I sat at the light, "I sure am glad I don't have to explain this to the mudrats", but then I realized that this was a perfect location for a Morning FReep since almost all the cars were inhabited by folks heading to work, and this handful of folks was linking two governmental entities with their mini-FReep, so I rolled down my car window, honked my horn, and gave these brave folks a big thumbs-up and an early morning WOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!"

Pro-Life libertarian FReegards...MUD

38 posted on 02/06/2003 8:00:14 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (Killing the Unborn is Mean-Spirited...MUD)
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To: Mudboy Slim
I was driving in downtown Richmond last week on one of those waaaaay cold days...

That was the morning of the Commonwealth Prayer Breakfast. They were probably seen by a lot of people who share their views (and mine).

39 posted on 02/06/2003 8:08:29 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (HHD)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Well, it left an impression on me...MUD
40 posted on 02/06/2003 8:22:35 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (Killing the Unborn is Mean-Spirited...MUD)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
Miller is a comedian, he rips on anything that gets a laugh. His gun-control cracks p#ssed me off for years. Perhaps his look at national defense will cause him to rethink his views on personal self defense.

RE: your tag line. What else do they stand for? Socialism, no personal responsibility, no liberty.

Oh yeah. But those are concepts, a bit more vague, and Democrats are all over the map on them. Abortion is an act and "a woman's choice" is the issue that is the glue that holds the Democrat party together. They can hem and haw and dissemble and make reasonably credible arguments to support their positions on the things you cite. But arguments for abortion are all patently hollow because the act itself is an objective reality.

The left is imploding and abortion is their achilles heel. They can't let go of it. They can't abandon it. It's like standing on a land mine that only goes off when you remove your foot. It's the biggest hypocrisy of a party of hypocrisy. Keep the heat on!

41 posted on 02/06/2003 8:22:43 AM PST by TigersEye (Democrat - the abortion party. What else do they stand for?)
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To: TigersEye
Hear, hear, TigersEye!

ROTM.
42 posted on 02/06/2003 8:26:55 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: Blue Collar Christian
The short answer is - it's not a question I was looking for conservatives to answer. LOL I have a hard time being concise.

NUKE THE BLUE ZONES! There. Short and sweet.

43 posted on 02/06/2003 8:31:41 AM PST by TigersEye (Pro-life libertarian.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
ROTM? rolling on the mat? right on true master? read only technical manuals?
44 posted on 02/06/2003 8:34:20 AM PST by TigersEye (Pro-life libertarian.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
"``Quite frankly, the people who saw this were pretty repulsed by it,'' he said."
``It shocked me and, as a matter of fact, my secretary was frightened. She saw this thing in the envelope and didn't know what it was.''

GOOD. Maybe the truth that abortion is nothing less then MURDER will finally wake up these liberals that believe that murdering an innocent child is the way to go instead of owning up to one's responsibility for any mistakes one makes.

45 posted on 02/06/2003 8:45:46 AM PST by Mikey
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To: Happy2BMe
How about:

#2A: A San Francisco bath house on Friday night.

#2B: An aids clinic to see dying AIDS patients and the results of the homosexual lifestyle.

46 posted on 02/06/2003 8:57:42 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Gopher Broke
AGREE.

But I and some others hereon have decided in all our communications to remove "abortion" and use "infanticide" instead. It is much more accurate.

God's best to you.

47 posted on 02/06/2003 9:06:08 AM PST by Quix (21st FREEPCARD FINISHED--going to get back to it soonish)
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To: victim soul

Feb 06, 2003

Anti-abortion tactics lead to complaints

BY TAMMIE SMITH
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER

Some state senators were not happy to receive a plastic fetus with a letter asking, "Would you kill this child?"
(BOB BROWN)

Some Virginia state senators are complaining about an anti-abortion letter from Del. Richard H. Black that included a small plastic doll Black said was the size of an 11-week-old fetus.

"Would you kill this child?" asked Black in the accompanying letter dated Feb. 3 sent to all 40 senators.

Black, R-Loudoun, is sponsor of a number of anti-abortion bills that are poised for passage in a General Assembly session that has dealt with an unprecedented amount of legislation on that issue.

"Abortionists kill most babies at this stage of development," Black wrote in the letter. "The struggling infants are chemically scalded or slashed apart with jagged knives. They receive no pain killers and experience excruciating pain and terror during the final moments of life."

Black's "in your face" anti-abortion tactics were not sitting well with some legislators who feel he crossed the line.

"I think this is an assault on the decorum of the General Assembly," said Sen. Leslie L. Byrne, D-Fairfax.

"I could send around gory photos of women before Roe v. Wade. I am not going to do that. I think this creates a hostile work environment for the people who have to open this."

Roe v. Wade is the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion. Before then, say abortion-rights supporters, women sometimes died or were maimed by illegal, botched abortions.

Byrne said she had filed complaints with the chairman of the Senate Rules Committee and with the Senate clerk about Black's letter and doll. An employee in the Senate clerk's office confirmed getting complaints from two senators.

"This is the most inappropriate thing I've seen since I've been in the General Assembly," said Senate Minority Leader Richard L. Saslaw, D-Fairfax. He showed reporters the doll and letter during a news conference by Democratic legislators who support abortion rights.

"It's unfortunate that this is where this thing has gone to," Saslaw said. "The people who saw this were pretty repulsed by it. I don't know any other way you can describe it."

Black, asked later about the letter, said his office sends out the little plastic babies all the time.

"What I did was take a little model of a baby - it's a first-trimester baby - and I sent that because I want each one of them to know what they are talking about when they talk about killing children," said Black, surrounded by reporters when he walked into the state Capitol yesterday.

The abortion discussions can get clinical, he said. "But you see the child, and all of a sudden you say, 'This is what we are doing. We are killing children like this,'" he said.

He was unapologetic about his efforts to see abortion outlawed, with Virginia leading the way, and compared the anti-abortion drive to the civil-rights movement.

"Years ago, I was involved as a teenager in trying to break down segregation," he said. Segregation was accepted, then the tide started to turn.

"You can see, at a certain point, it was all coming unglued," he said. "I am sensing that on the abortion issue."

He said there was nothing improper about his use of state letterhead, which Saslaw questioned.

With Republican majorities in the House and the Senate, legislators this session have approved anti-abortion measures that have been defeated in years past.

Approved bills include legislation that would ban what abortion opponents call "partial-birth infanticide" and legislation that would require girls younger than 18 to get a parent's consent before they could get an abortion. Virginia already has a law requiring minors to notify a parent or other responsible adult before getting an abortion but does not require permission.

Bills approved by the House or Senate are now before the other body for consideration.

The infanticide and parental-consent bills appear to have enough votes to withstand a veto by Gov. Mark R. Warner, who has expressed concerns about the legislation. He vetoed a parental-consent bill last year.

Democratic critics of the bills say legislators who in the past have been more moderate on the issue, are switching sides out of fear of election-year losses. All seats in the House and Senate are up for re-election this year.

"A great deal of what is going on is due to redistricting," said Sen. Mary Margaret Whipple, D-Arlington.

"There are very few competitive districts. If you don't have a competitive district, then the biggest threat is from somebody in your own party wanting to get a nomination."

Women are not up in arms over the legislation, Saslaw said, because they erroneously feel they have protections in the courts.

"That is one vote away in the Supreme Court from being yanked," Saslaw said.


Contact Tammie Smith at (804) 649-6572 or tlsmith@timesdispatch.com


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Also posted here: Republican sends Senate members plastic fetus doll

48 posted on 02/06/2003 3:06:12 PM PST by Ligeia
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To: Ligeia
Click here to send a THANK YOU to Delegate Black for having the COURAGE to stand up for Life in Virginia!
49 posted on 02/06/2003 3:26:01 PM PST by Gopher Broke
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To: Gopher Broke
Okay, done. I got a reply back last time from Attorney General Jerry Kilgore's office thanking me for my thank you. :^)
50 posted on 02/06/2003 3:49:25 PM PST by Ligeia (Haven't I commanded you be strong and courageous)
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