New findings put Noah's epic story to the test

Newsday ^ | 3-5-03 | By Robert Cooke

[rmvh]

Re your # 10

It does seem strange that not one of the Gods worshiped by the ancient greek population is worshiped today.....Of course, the same goes for Thor and his elite compatriots as well as Jupitor and Zeus with theirs....Then there are the Incas and the Myans and their Gods.

Where in the world did all these Gods and their follower go?...The world keeps loosing Gods, one after another.

[LiteKeeper]

There is just too much evidence for the Flood to take this liberal rag's word. Who do you trust?

[LiteKeeper]

Just remember Job 38:4

[Blueflag]

But we still have Buddha and now Allah. Only one true God, however.

[Blueflag]

That's right. we weren't there when it happened, were we. If this guy has trouble with the Flood, he should try to scientifically explain Genesis 6:2-4.

[LiteKeeper]

Yes, most probably. Remember, the average size of a dinosaur was the size of a German shepherd dog. And mature adults did not have to be taken aboard.

Read here

[HitmanLV]

Stories about vampires, succubi, incubi and similar creatures of the night also exist in most cultures, having arisen independently of one another. Does that mean vampires exist?

I haven't ruled it out. Anything is possible.

[af_vet_rr]

Let us not forget that the flood stories are GLOBAL and every religion has them (maybe one or two out of ten million don't..but that's another argument).

People tend to forget that. Yes, a lot in the Bible is metaphorical, but when you have something so large, that so many civilizations/religions have mentioned it all around the world, long before they came in contact with one another, there has to be some thought and weight given to it. You simply don't have all of these civilizations and religions all remembering a large flood if it didn't happen.

[Thud]

I've read Pitman's book and there is just too much evidence for his flood theory, starting with a marine shelf well below the present level of the Black Sea. Just one shelf, not a succession of them. And there are village sites down there.

Note this Newsday article's last sentence: "Ryan pointed out that Aksu's team did most of its work outside the Black Sea, mapping the flow of water, the build-up of sediments and other evidence beyond the southern end of the Bosporus."

A two-year event is a geologic blip. The only effective way to discredit the Ryan/Pitman theory is to develop plausible other explanations for their geologic and archaeological evidence underneath the Black Sea.

[webstersII]

Yak about flood stories all you'd like, the fact there is not a shred of evidence to support a global flood of those proportions in recent geological history cannot be talked away.

The people who penned the Bible didn't know anything about the world, as in the spherical globe. All they knew was that THEIR world was flooded, i.e., the known world at the time. It doesn't necessarily mean a global event.

[Junior]

Just about every society has formed around waterways, and waterways flood on occasion. It doesn't mean there was a global flood. Indeed, there is absolutely no evidence for a global flood at any time, period.

[balrog666]

Woo-hoo! Another rip-roaring, state-of-the-art, science thread here.

[Diverdogz]

Just about every society has formed around waterways, and waterways flood on occasion. It doesn't mean there was a global flood. Indeed, there is absolutely no evidence for a global flood at any time, period.

I hope Noah never found out! Else he'd be pissed at wasting so much time building the Ark instead of just moving to higher ground.

[PatrickHenry]

What Would We Expect to Find if the World had Flooded?.

[Diverdogz]

All they knew was that THEIR world was flooded, i.e., the known world at the time. It doesn't necessarily mean a global event.

Can you suggest an area where this 'localized' flooding could have occured? It would have to be a 'bowl shaped' area to contain the water without mountain peaks that Noah could see....since he floated around his flooded world for such a long time without seeing any mountains.

[Junior]

Ever think that maybe the Noah story as told now is an exaggeration of actual events? Maybe some guy, his family, and a bunch of farm animals escaped a local flood aboard a small boat a few thousand years ago and it's gotten bigger in the retelling...

[vannrox]

Junior,

I am not talking about geologic evidence. What I am referring to the the global myths concerning flooding. They are two different subjects.

However, if you want to debate the issues associated with geologic flooding. Let's just look at what happenned in the Middle east. (I know you want to think about the Bible and that refers...at first glance...to be about the Near east.)

Everyone knows that the Giza Plateau was under water 10,000 BP. Given the geologic processes, we can only deduce that the surrounding area was under water as well, afterall, the geologic process is of the same site. This is verified by the Sumerian culture. Look at the layers of mud at their own cities...

But I digress.

You are discussing GLOBAL issues. My friend, we know that the pole shifts. We also know that the magnetic field shifts along with the pole. We also know that the strong magnetic field of the sun, keeps the pole IN LINE with that of the rotational axis of the the SUN.

So, if the pole shifts, the earth crust shifts long side it so that the two poles (earth and sun) at at the point of minimum entropy...IE aligned.

The atmosphere being fluid, will change as well. But it will be an awful adjustment. So what wa one in the tropicsmoves to another location.

We know that in the last 75,000 years that we have had three major pole displacements. The greatist being on the order of 45 degrees.

Since the earth bulges at the equator then we can deduce that the difference from the angular displacement be such that were the change to at 90 the would would and could experience not just an entire change in the earth crustial shelf shape, but also in the height of the water. Currently, the difference is 12 miles.

The last crustrial displacement was within neolithic times...possibly within the recorded if not historical memory of our race. Perhaps that is what all this is about.

Honestly...can't ever happen...go and prove it...need more inspectors...etc...etc...You don't have to believe this. OK with me.

It's ok with me.

[Junior]

My friend, we know that the pole shifts. We also know that the magnetic field shifts along with the pole. We also know that the strong magnetic field of the sun, keeps the pole IN LINE with that of the rotational axis of the the SUN.

We know the magnetic poles shift. It takes a whole lot of energy to flip a planet over. I don't know if what you are saying about the Sun's magnetic poles is accurate or not. I have a feeling it isn't because I'm pretty sure the Sun's magnetic field does not extend this far out.

[PBRSTREETGANG]

New findings put Noah's epic story to the test

They've found unicorns?

[plain talk]

But you really don't know, do you? The first step is admit how clueless we all are, assume some humility and admit that a soveriegn God COULD have done everything just as it says in the Bible - OR - it's possible that the Noah's ark episode was a myth that well meaning people passed down and Moses put it down believing it was what happened. We'll never know for sure until we die, will we? Proving the episodes in Genesis probably can't be proved one way or the other. What IS important, however, is that you accept Christ as your Lord and Savior. But until you can let go of the typical man-centered scoff about Christianity you can't accept Christ. Remember, the greatest sin of all is human pride. Peace.