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PRO-LIFE ACTIVIST SAYS SHE GOT KOPP OUT OF U.S.
The Buffalo News ^ | February 8, 2003 | Matt Gryta

Posted on 02/08/2003 5:42:49 PM PST by Marianne

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To: dennisw
Murders happen every day in the USA. If I were a DA the murder of an abortionist would not be my top priority to prosecute.

And so it goes -- friends and supporters of abortion provider murderes simply don't make it their top priority to turn them in if they have them hidden in their homes, or make it their top priority not to sneak them out of the country, or not provide them with weapons and ammo.

Clinton couldn't have parsed it better.

21 posted on 02/09/2003 6:32:38 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: Catspaw
Am I aware of the Buffalo interview?

Certainly!

But there are confessions and then there are confessions. So far Koop has provided no additional information that was not previously reported in the public press.

Down here in the DC area we recently had the two roving Moslem assassins whose MO was identical to that of the shooters up in Buffalo and Toronto. Interestingly enough Mr. Muhammad had only recently brought Mr. Malvo into the picture, and some here guess that this was because Mr. Muhammad wasn't a very good shot (the Buffalo/Toronto shooter succeeded only in killing 1 out of 5 targets! He definitely needed a marksman, eh?!)

There's enough evidence out there to suggest "he didn't do it" that we really do have to start examining Atomic Dog's motives in this. One thought is that this puts fear in the hearts of the abortionists. After all, there could be more folks out there like Atomic Dog. Another thought is that Atomic Dog is a head-case.

Another thought is that the FBI is made up of a passel of fools and poltroons who are unable of noticing that their target is deranged. At the same time they ignore the evidence before them concerning the identity of criminals.(/end sarcasm)

22 posted on 02/09/2003 6:57:08 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: jlogajan
Hey, wasn't the first abortionist killed after it's legalization here a former Nazi SS officer? Are you suggesting that someone like that became someone whose death I should mourn simply because his second career involved killing babies?

Seems to me the NARAL and Planned Parenthood people ALWAYS include him in their body count of "abortion providers murdered" in order to have a decent number. They certainly know who's on their side, eh?!

At the moment there really haven't been all that many abortionists killed - certainly many less than the Fairfax County Virginia total body count in any given year, and that's one of the lowest murder rates in America!

Frankly, I don't know any abortionists or their little buddies and if they get killed somehow, whether in an auto accident, a robbery, or by other means, I am not going to be terribly moved. People die all the time from a variety of causes, and some deaths are tragic and other deaths less so. Abortionists and their friends, when they die, do not do so tragically.

23 posted on 02/09/2003 7:12:37 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Marianne
Pro-life bump. Prayer is the solution!
24 posted on 02/09/2003 7:16:05 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: muawiyah
So why did Kopp say he shot Slepian in a voluntary interview to the Buffalo News?

You mean he voluntarily confessed to a murder because he enjoys the prospect of going to jail for life so he can use the trial as a platform for the pro-life movement, rather than using the tactic of a vigorous defense of the actual charges (as his previous lawyer did) in an attempt to have Kopp acquitted and he walk free? And he's taking credit for the murder that you claim (without evidence, I might add) either the Buffalo al Qaeda cell or Muhammed and Malvo did it? At best, your logic, if any, is convoluted.

You are really going to have to accept reality. The fact is that Kopp killed Slepian. He said he did it. He said how he did it. The trial, or at least his defense, is about why he did it. Why isn't that good enough for you?

25 posted on 02/09/2003 7:57:46 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: jlogajan
Killing "abortion providers" - you mean the guys that tear apart the unborn babies? Well, no. I don't think they should be killed - just arrested and imprisoned. Until the point in time that abortion becomes an illegal practice just as murder is - until then, anything short of killing these unfortunate bastards should be done: awareness campaigns, changing the laws, electing pro life legislators and increasing the number of pro life judges, etc. You know the incremental approach.

I can understand however the desperation that drives some to kill infanticide practitioners. In that case, juries should show sympathy just as they do to women who kill abusive spouses for example. And terminating innocent life is so much more horrible.

26 posted on 02/09/2003 10:28:53 AM PST by eleni121
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To: eleni121
Perhaps, Mr. Kopp's jury will not be Pro-Life will find him guilty and sentence him to Death!
27 posted on 02/09/2003 10:35:06 AM PST by Station 51
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To: Catspaw
We still need Kopp to say something about something that the police never passed on to the news media up there concerning the Slepian shooting.

BTW, Mr. Mohammad and Mr. Malvo were apparantly not affiliated with AlQaida, nor is the division of Sunni with which they are most closely allied affiliated with AlQaida.

Intriguingly that particular religious group had a beef with the New Black Panther Party and Mr. Mohammad shot the man who had been most responsible for putting that group into business. I think that pretty well demonstrated a linkage between those two shooters and a group of dangerous folks in the Buffalo/Toronto area.

Why those guys in Buffalo/Toronto were bringing in a shooter like Mohammad to target abortionists is the next issue to address. No doubt some FBI analyst is doing exactly that!

So, just what kind of evidence do you need? So far all the FBI has on Koop is a confession, and rest assured that Koop is more interested in pleading the cause of his ideological affiliates than he is in pleading his innocence. He knows the FBI ultimately has to fail to keep him (Koop) in jail simply because he (Koop) knows that somebody else did the job. It might take a few years.

If I were you I wouldn't put all my faith in confessions of any kind, particularly during this time of heightened anxiety.

28 posted on 02/09/2003 12:13:35 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
So far all the FBI has on Koop is a confession

What more do you need? Kopp killed Slepian. He admits it and if convicted, he's going to jail for life. The rest of your argument is just silliness.

29 posted on 02/09/2003 12:19:11 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
I cannot believe I am reading a fellow Freeper argue that an admission of guilt is always true.

Sometimes people lie. They do so for many different reasons. Very often mentally disturbed individuals are readily coerced into admitting all sorts of things. By now after having been in the hands of the cops for several months Atomic Dog would probably confess to disposing of Judge Crater.

We know that the FBI these days is virtually incapable of catching the right guys else they would have made a real investigation into the anthrax attack in Florida. Why should we believe them concerning the Slepian matter? All Atomic Dog has done is allowed you to overlook the fact that the FBI ignored a home-grown terrorist orgtanization in the Buffalo/Toronto area and that their lack of action allowed two of those terrorists to run around the WashDC metro area in October killing a bunch of people - including an FBI analyst!

When the FBI is done with Atomic Dog this particular terrorist problem is going to still be there and the FBI will have done nothing about it.

I hope you also notice that the first trials of Muhammad and Malvo are taking place in Virginia under the authority of the very same prosecutor (Horan) who decided that Kansi, the guy who killed those folks at the CIA several years ago, was NOT A TERRORIST. This decision was made by the FBI. Most folks think the deal was to prosecute these two terrorists in a jurisdiction with the death penalty. Actually, it's to allow the FBI's little buddy, Horan, to make very sure the terrorist affiliations of these two guys never come to light.

I am going to guess that your interest here is to protect the FBI (your friends, colleagues perhaps). Your namecalling will not work.

30 posted on 02/09/2003 12:45:05 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
You need help.
31 posted on 02/09/2003 1:04:01 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Station 51
Because Kopp was extradited from France to the US, he cannot face the death penalty. Ditto if the US would've caught him in Ireland.
32 posted on 02/09/2003 1:05:22 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: jlogajan; Catspaw; The South Park Republican; Hildy; APBaer; marajade
Once again, I find myself wishing that some people would at LEAST learn that just BELIEVING, though it be with all heart and soul, that a medical procedure constitutes "murder", and therefore justifies a premeditated shooting of an unarmed physician, does NOT make it so. "Murder" has a legal definition which in NO WAY includes an elective abortion. Thus, shooting a provider is NOT, in any way, considered the "defense" of anyone.

Let's be clear here. Kopp is a MURDERER, confessed. He did what he did out of psychosis, not any altruistic motives. he was encouraged to believe that, in performing his murder, he would be praised by the prolife fanatics he so enjoyed being reinforced by. He is NO "hero" at all, as if sneaking up on an unarmed doctor and backshooting him could EVER be considered "heroic" by anyone with a lick of humanity and decency.

The strongest BELIEF in the world does not justify murder, regardless of what it is. We all must follow the law. Even if abortion was banned (and it will never be, folks), killing a provider of it would STILL constitute murder, just as killing ANY criminal in cold blood, without a threat to yourself would be.

Though it may sound tired, it is also true that to condone this psychopathic behavior is to begin treading a road that ends in places NO American wants to go. It also does irreparable harm to the conservative movement as a whole.

35 posted on 02/09/2003 1:58:52 PM PST by Long Cut (Daddy-To-Be)
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To: Long Cut
These people are not conservatives. Kopp confessed to murdering Slepian. He refused to work within the the Constitution and the laws, but chose a lawless path. He will be facing justice soon and I suspect it will be harsh.
36 posted on 02/09/2003 2:12:41 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: muawiyah
He knows the FBI ultimately has to fail to keep him (Koop) in jail simply because he (Koop) knows that somebody else did the job. It might take a few years.

You're delusional. But, then, you often are.

37 posted on 02/09/2003 2:14:39 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Catspaw
"He will be facing justice soon and I suspect it will be harsh."

I hope you are correct. I have no more mercy for him than I would have for Berkowitz, Manson, or Malvo.

My only regret is that those who ENCOURAGED him will face no penalty. At the least, they should, if identified, be made to support Slepian's family for the rest of their lives. They are right up there with mullahs who encourage terrorists but who NEVER dirty THEIR OWN hands for their "convictions".

Money and publicity grabbing con artists is all they are.

38 posted on 02/09/2003 2:21:57 PM PST by Long Cut (Daddy-To-Be)
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To: Conservative Druze
There is no justification in taking life to save life.

I am glad I do not live in your house.

39 posted on 02/09/2003 2:34:33 PM PST by don-o
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To: Long Cut
I believe two people who assisted Kopp have been in jail for the past year or so, but they've cut a deal. It does nothing to compensate his widow and children for his murder. Any apology Kopp could make to them would ring hollow.

Rationalizing what Kopp has done, or coming up with wildly paranoid conspiracy theories doesn't negate the fact that Kopp said he shot and killed Slepian, and did so intentionally. It would be the same as if a member of ALF or ELF killed someone, then tried to rationalize it. I wouldn't buy it from them and I don't buy it from Kopp or his supporters.

40 posted on 02/09/2003 2:35:47 PM PST by Catspaw
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