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60 minutes: Glock VP supports ballistic fingerprinting
60 minutes ^ | February 9, 2003 | self

Posted on 02/09/2003 7:48:07 PM PST by Mulder

I didn't watch 60 minutes tonight, but according to several folks who did watch, one of the Vice Presidents of Glock stated he supports ballistic fingerprinting on a national level.

If true, this is a total sellout of gun owners in America.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ballistic; banglist; betrayal; bushmaster; fingerprinting; glock; guncontrol; sw
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1 posted on 02/09/2003 7:48:07 PM PST by Mulder
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To: *bang_list
bang
2 posted on 02/09/2003 7:48:45 PM PST by Mulder (Guns and chicks rule)
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To: Mulder
Well the additional receivers and barrels they'd sell would add to their income nicely.
3 posted on 02/09/2003 7:49:25 PM PST by Bogey78O (It's not a Zero it's an "O")
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; Inspector Harry Callahan; Jefferson Adams; Shooter 2.5; ...
FYI
4 posted on 02/09/2003 7:50:17 PM PST by Mulder (Guns and chicks rule)
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To: Mulder
"If true, this is a total sellout of gun owners in America."

Well, it wouldn't be the first time...or the last.

This topic is also found here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/839476/posts
5 posted on 02/09/2003 7:56:49 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Mulder
if true, all I can say is
what a fool
6 posted on 02/09/2003 7:57:32 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Mulder
The heck with what Glock did. I'm burning with curiosity to know if Michael Jackson appeared to defend himself. I won't be able to sleep until I know.

(/sarcasm)
7 posted on 02/09/2003 7:58:40 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: phasma proeliator
Glad I didn't go Glock.... hopin the new Springfield takes their market shares.
8 posted on 02/09/2003 7:59:21 PM PST by da_toolman (Vivat Jesus)
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To: da_toolman
hopin the new Springfield takes their market shares

Me too. I'm about to pick up a new XD40.

They are cheaper, but better than Glocks, IMHO. And I thought that before 60 minutes.

9 posted on 02/09/2003 8:05:07 PM PST by Mulder (Guns and chicks rule)
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To: Mulder
Dang, and I was thinking about buying one. Oh well.

Maybe they should ask S&W if this strategy works.
10 posted on 02/09/2003 8:06:08 PM PST by FreeInWV
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To: Mulder
Maybe he is the VP for a reason. Are you sure this is the position of Glock or just the opinion of some guy who makes management decision? BTW glocks are wonderful firearms.
11 posted on 02/09/2003 8:06:16 PM PST by Noslrac
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To: Noslrac
Are you sure this is the position of Glock or just the opinion of some guy who makes management decision?

We'll see by Glock's response in the next few days.

12 posted on 02/09/2003 8:10:04 PM PST by Mulder (Guns and chicks rule)
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To: Mulder
Doesn't Glock have a mfg. plant in MD - which has a ballistic fingerprint requirement? Sounds to me that they are geared to comply and are looking to squelch the competition.
13 posted on 02/09/2003 8:24:03 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Mulder
What is that weird angled cut on the each side by the muzzle? Is that to grip the sides like finger grooves?
14 posted on 02/09/2003 8:30:38 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: WorkingClassFilth
I guess he didn't pay attention to what happend to S&W....
15 posted on 02/09/2003 8:35:26 PM PST by TheBattman
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To: Shooter 2.5
What is that weird angled cut on the each side by the muzzle?

Good question.... you'd have to have pretty long fingers for that though.

It does have an accessory rail, and maybe the cutout was simply for looks to make the rail blend with the gun better?

16 posted on 02/09/2003 8:37:21 PM PST by Mulder (Guns and chicks rule)
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To: Mulder
A couple of things: 1) There are millions of hand guns they will never "fingerprint". 2) The smarter crooks who use autos have a habit of picking up their brass anyway. 3) Revolvers don't eject the casings.
17 posted on 02/09/2003 8:44:07 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Religion of loons...)
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To: isthisnickcool
There are millions of hand guns they will never "fingerprint"

Ballistic fingerprinting is nothing more than the next step to registration and confiscation.

First, the traitors will try to pass a ballistic fingerprinting bill covering new guns.

Then, they'll pass a law making it illegal to modify an existing gun (new barrel, new bolt, etc....) without fingerprinting the modified weapon. In other words, you'll have to go through an FFL to get a replacement barrel.

Finally, they'll enact a law requiring all guns to get fingerprinted.

18 posted on 02/09/2003 8:50:03 PM PST by Mulder (Guns and chicks rule)
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To: TheBattman
"I guess he didn't pay attention to what happend to S&W..."

Maybe, maybe not. There are others too:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/824084/posts

The good news is that there are fine manufacturers and firms that are 100% on the side of our 2A freedoms as well. Brownell's and Midway are two that come to mind, but there are WAY too many companies that simply see the profits from gun owners and will betray Americans at the first sign of government pressure. It is important to know who really is on board as crew and who is just along for the ride.

When I worked in construction I used to marvel at the guys who had 'tool-religion.' What I mean is guys that liked their [blank] brand cordless drill a lot and so believed that every product that [blank] brand makes had to be the best thing since sliced bread. Many times I've seen embarrassed tool-religionists when [blank] brand's substandard tools fail at critical times or screw up a job because of light duty or inaccurate abilities. I always tried to find out what tool does what the best and what other hard-users think about it. As a result, I have a range of brands in my tools and have never been disappointed.

In a similar way, the gun owning public cannot afford to have silly notions of who their friends are because, in the end, we will live (and possibly die) by the strength of the unified front we are able to muster.
19 posted on 02/09/2003 8:57:02 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: isthisnickcool
.. Dremmel tools and lots of practice tend to change the "fingerprint".

Exactly what kind of felon purchases their tools from a reputable dealer anyway? So honest Joe buys a firearm to protect his home. The gun gets stolen, and that same firearm is used to commit a crime...

So the "fingerprint" helps how?

Why don't we just pass a law that requires the perp to leave his driver's license at the scene of the crime? According to some reports, no one has been caught on the basis of a fingerprint, but some idiot criminals have accidently left ID behind...

Government... (sigh)
20 posted on 02/09/2003 9:05:41 PM PST by Dr Warmoose (Just don't leave any brass with your fingerprints on it behind, OK?)
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To: Mulder
You may recall that Glock and Ruger were ready to go lock-step with Smith & Wesson to sell out our rights -- until they heard the fan motor loading up . . .
21 posted on 02/09/2003 9:08:41 PM PST by Crowcreek
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To: Crowcreek
I recall Bill Ruger having some funny notions...
22 posted on 02/09/2003 9:11:38 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Mulder
Must be fate. I busted my Glock today for the second time - the "indestructable" Glock, right? Trigger return spring. Crap.

Well, Mr. Kimber hasn't let me down yet.

23 posted on 02/09/2003 9:13:26 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Mulder
I'm not a gun nut, and don't even own any guns at the moment. (I also live in a densely populated suburb, Greenwich, CT, where most murders are done with golf clubs by Kennedy cousins, but I digress). Anyway, how hard is it to change the "fingerprint" of a barrel. Could you do it with a coat hanger? just ham it down the barrel to make new striations? Or would it require more?
24 posted on 02/09/2003 9:24:05 PM PST by Koblenz (There's usually a free market solution you know)
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To: isthisnickcool
Here's how a liberal hears what you just said;

Ears plugged, "la la la la la la la la la..."

It's not the fingerprints they want, it's names, addresses and serial numbers. It's called a gun owner registry.
25 posted on 02/09/2003 9:47:45 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Okie by proxy)
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To: Mulder
Next "they'll enact a law requiring all guns to get fingerprinted."

Finally, they'll come knocking at your door at 3 am to confiscate your fingerprinted, registered firearm.
26 posted on 02/09/2003 9:52:00 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Okie by proxy)
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To: Mulder
Knowing this, I'll stick with my 1911.
27 posted on 02/09/2003 9:57:38 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Yippee Kai Aye......")
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To: Mulder
It's a shame to see this. S&W, Ruger, Glock...who's next?

I don't own or would not by a Glock. They might well be excellent guns, but uuuuuglyyy!

I do own lot's of S&Ws, Rugers, Colts, Brownings, Remingtons, Winchesters etc., and would hate to see more treacherous behavior like what S&W is now trying to rectify. That's just not good customer relations.
28 posted on 02/09/2003 10:04:15 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Okie by proxy, raised by Yankees, temporarily Californian)
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To: AdamSelene235
FYI.
29 posted on 02/09/2003 10:13:02 PM PST by coloradan
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To: Mulder
Rule 3, line 4 , paragraph 12, subsection b......Vote withs yer money ! Worked on Short & Whimpy Inc.......:o)

Stay Safe !

30 posted on 02/10/2003 12:02:31 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
"That's just not good customer relations."

I would say that actions like that are just not good for the survival of America. In my opinion, another dangerous and unreliable manufacturer (not in terms of product quality) is Bushmaster, maker of an AR-15 variant in Maine. For reasons, read the details in the link below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/824084/posts
31 posted on 02/10/2003 4:37:18 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
The Glock plant is in Marietta, Georgia. Beretta has a plant in the People's Republic of Maryland.
32 posted on 02/10/2003 4:41:54 AM PST by Jonah Hex
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To: Squantos
Vote withs yer money !

Or perhaps we will eventually have to vote this way!!


Stay safe; stay armed.


33 posted on 02/10/2003 4:50:10 AM PST by Eaker (64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday. Somehow, it didn't make the news.)
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To: Mulder
Very old news. A couple of years back the Glock annual had a thing about ballistic fingerprinting and how they worked to prove that it could be effective.
34 posted on 02/10/2003 4:53:31 AM PST by zx2dragon
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To: Mulder
Some information about Glock and S&W and ballistic 'fingerprinting' from the 'Americans for Gun Safety' organization (written, no doubt, by a fifth columnist):

http://w3.agsfoundation.com/s_finger1.html

35 posted on 02/10/2003 5:57:23 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Mulder
Didn't Glock hear about what happened to Smith & Wesson when they turned their back on the Second Amendment?
36 posted on 02/10/2003 6:12:55 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: WorkingClassFilth
I remember you on that thread. Very valid opinion.

The safety of a free America depends on the private ownership of the same arms a foot soldier carries at whatever given point in time as to be competitive in the overthrough of a tyranny; up to and including sniper rifles, combat rifles(or whatever it is they call assault rifles)shotguns, sidearms, hand grenades and light machine guns(M-60?).

I believe that was the intention of the 2nd Ammendment by the founding fathers.

The advance of a gun owner registry is solely designed to allow for the incrimental dissarming of the citizens. When an arms manufacturer cooperates with gun registration, whether to financially proffit, or just to survive, they must be boycotted by the consumers in order to befuddle the effort.
37 posted on 02/10/2003 7:54:40 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Okie by proxy, raised by Yankees, temporarily Californian)
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To: Eaker
LOL.....hey I thought you died ! BTW I love that tag line and the pic. Consider it stolen as of .................now !

Stay Safe

38 posted on 02/10/2003 8:25:55 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
Thanks.

Gun owners and others truly interested in civil-rights are often lulled by persons or agencies that are related to their industry and cause do not offer direct opposition to the rights they seek to protect. The sloppy thinking is roughly along the lines that since a company is in the business of making firearms, then surely they must side with the citizenry on issues of firearm ownership...

This is a critical mistake.

It may seem extreme, but I would rather spend my dollars with firms that clearly demonstrate commitment to 2A rights with memberships or funding of the NRA or GOA or in support of legislation to protect 2A rights, build shooting ranges, fund training camps or programs for kids, etc. Simply putting an American flag on your promotional literature doesn't cut jack with me.

Through consumer pressure, the Left has managed to put many businesses on the rather shakey ground of proving their commitment to environmental goals like 'sustainability' or 'greeness' or whathaveyou. Freedom loving Americans ought to do the same for the sake of future freedom with the industries and vendors that make their living from the 2A, because the unscrupulous among them will gladly make the machine guns needed to do away with the same 2A and individual freedom.
39 posted on 02/10/2003 8:28:43 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Glock Inc makes BIG BUCKS from law enforcement sales. They probably think cops support this "crime fighting" initiative, and may view it as socially responsible.

Glock is less sensitive to consumer pressure because of their enormous law enforcement presence.

Still, they can't afford to irritate gun owners in the S&W fashion.

I would not be surprised if the VP's comments were used OUT OF CONTEXT, given the reputation of CBS and 60 Minutes.

40 posted on 02/10/2003 8:46:02 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Mulder
The worst part about the (hit) piece was the "experts" who laughably tried to assert that violent criminals wouldn't bother going to the trouble to alter their weapon's ballistic signature.
41 posted on 02/10/2003 8:50:16 AM PST by jpl
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To: xsrdx
Off the cuff I would say that...

Glock is Austrian and has no cultural sympathy for the American Constitution. We are a market. Period.

Glock has military contracts all over the world. Big dollars.

Glock is diversified into other areas. Cushioning dollars.

Glock is nearly ubiquitous these days as cops militarize their weaponry. Even Barney Fife would carry a Glock today.

American firearms owners are a lucrative segment market, but hardly bread and butter.
42 posted on 02/10/2003 8:52:16 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
You know, most people do not even contemplate the effects of their purchases. We can't even get half of the voters in this country to vote!

I am a small businessman, and I watch the consumers flock to WalMart to buy their shotshells for $3.95 a box instead of paying $4.95 a box at their local gun shop, then crying when that local gun shop closes because the guy at the WalMart sporting goods counter cannot show them how to field strip their Remington.

These same types come to our motorcycle shops to try on helmets and then buy them on the internet at just about our cost, then want us to exchange them if they don't fit right. You can imagine where I'd like to fit that helmet!

This type of consumer greed has all but removed the "service" from retailing, and has destroyed the manufacturing strength of this country.
43 posted on 02/10/2003 8:52:33 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Okie by proxy, raised by Yankees, temporarily Californian)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
"This type of consumer greed has all but removed the "service" from retailing, and has destroyed the manufacturing strength of this country."

Another benefit of integrating globalization some might say.

Not me, though.
44 posted on 02/10/2003 8:55:38 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Mulder
The VP of Glock has nothing to say unless it is that they have hair triggers, that they are not law enforcement weapons (and are suitable only for military use), and that those little trigger thingies ARE NOT SAFETIES!!!!

Until then, he can just STFU.

45 posted on 02/10/2003 9:02:00 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Mulder
A sorry sad day for glock if this is true. Talk about your revenue loss. Are you listening Glock ?!?
46 posted on 02/10/2003 9:24:24 AM PST by ezoeni
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Attaboy.

Me niether.
47 posted on 02/10/2003 9:41:15 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Okie by proxy, raised by Yankees, temporarily Californian)
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To: Mulder
After what gunowners did to Smith & Wesson and Colt for this crap haven't the other manufacturers learned anything?
48 posted on 02/10/2003 9:43:44 AM PST by and the horse you rode in on (Republican's for Sharpton)
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To: Mulder
Your #18 is right on target.
49 posted on 02/10/2003 9:44:15 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Mulder
http://flashbunny.org/content/fingerprint.html

This is a funny way to explaine why BF does NOT work.
50 posted on 02/10/2003 9:47:35 AM PST by OXENinFLA (Piss off a liberal: BUY A GUN and learn to use it.)
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