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NATO calls emergency meeting after France blocks Turkey defense plan
CNN | February 10, 2003

Posted on 02/10/2003 12:40:02 AM PST by HAL9000

Per Richard Quest on CNN International -

NATO calls emergency meeting after France blocks Turkey defense plan

Meeting to begin in one hour (4:30 EST)

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1 posted on 02/10/2003 12:40:02 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

France blocks start of NATO military planning to protect Turkey from Iraqi missile attack

By PAUL AMES Associated Press Writer  

BRUSSELS, Belgium, Feb 10, 2003 (AP WorldStream via COMTEX) -- France blocked the start of NATO military planning Monday to protect Turkey against the threat of Iraqi missile attack, further accentuating the deep divisions in the alliance over the Iraq crisis.

NATO officials said France formally blocked the move an hour before NATO procedures would have started the military planning automatically at 10:00 a.m. (0900 GMT).

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2 posted on 02/10/2003 12:43:58 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
Thanks for the heads-up. That will give me something to watch while FR is down.
3 posted on 02/10/2003 12:44:47 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: HAL9000
As expected, Belgium backed the French move. Foreign Minister Louis Michel said Sunday it was too early for the alliance to enter into a "war mind-set."

It was unclear if Germany, which had previously backed French and Belgian hesitation had also supported the latest the delay of the planning to send surveillance planes, anti-missile batteries and units specialized in dealing with germ warfare and poison gas attacks to Turkey.

The French move is a blow to the United States which has lobbied hard for more than three weeks for the alliance to start the military planning, backed by 16 of the 19 NATO allies.

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4 posted on 02/10/2003 12:44:57 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: PhiKapMom
FYI
5 posted on 02/10/2003 12:45:15 AM PST by Mo1
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To: HAL9000
The French and Belgian foreign ministers talked on the telephone early Monday and said they would continue to block the automatic start of military planning.

"They had their talks and they will continue to block," said Belgian government spokesman Didier Seeuws of the phone conversation between his minister Louis Michel and his French counterpart Dominique de Villepin.

Faced with the latest delay, Turkey was widely expected to call for urgent consultations under NATO's mutual defense treaty. A meeting of NATO's policy making North Atlantic Council was possible later Monday, officials said.

Diplomats said they expected France and the other holdouts to drop their objections to the military planning faced with a direct request from the Turks under the treaty.

The dispute over the planning has dragged on for three weeks, causing increasing acrimony among the allies.

At a stormy weekend meeting in Munich, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld warned continued delays in responding to Turkey's request were "inexcusable" and risked undermining the credibility of the alliance.

Rumsfeld intensified his criticism in an interview Sunday with Italy's La Republica newspaper. "Shameful, for me it's truly shameful," Rumsfeld was quoted as saying. "Turkey is an ally. An ally that is risking everything ... How can you refuse it help?"

In France, officials countered that it was too early to start military preparations while diplomatic efforts continued to avoid war. However they stressed they would help the Turks if they judged it necessary.

"If Turkey was really under threat, France would be one of the first at its side," French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie told reporters in Munich. "Today we don't feel that threat is there."

Other NATO allies expressed confidence the doubters would rally if Turkey asked for help.

"I trust the alliance will stick together and we will help Turkey," Norwegian Defense Minister Kristin Krohn Devold said Sunday. "I have a strong belief in common sense."

As well as trans-Atlantic differences, the deadlock has highlighted deep divisions among European allies with the majority, led by Britain, Spain and Italy, backing the tough line against Iraq taken by the United States against France and Germany.

NATO's military commanders say the planning for the limited support for Turkey can be wrapped up within a few days once they get the go-ahead, but actual deployment of the NATO units will need further approval from the 19 allies.

All NATO decisions require unanimous support from the allies.

Copyright 2003 Associated Press, All rights reserved


6 posted on 02/10/2003 12:46:45 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
NATO web site - www.nato.int
7 posted on 02/10/2003 12:47:30 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
I'd love to wake up tomorrow morning and find out this was all a big rope-a-dope (er, rope-a-Saddam) plan.
8 posted on 02/10/2003 12:48:42 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: HAL9000
AP added this sentence in their last dispatch -

A meeting of NATO's policy making North Atlantic Council called for 10.30 a.m. (0930 GMT).

9 posted on 02/10/2003 12:49:56 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
There once was a man named Chirac
Who stabbed his old friends in the back
He behaved like a jerk
'Cos the Viagra didn't work
And now all he can please is Iraq

Regards, Ivan

10 posted on 02/10/2003 12:50:00 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: HAL9000
Time to kick the Frogs and Krauts out of NATO.
11 posted on 02/10/2003 12:54:08 AM PST by Smile-n-Win
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To: MadIvan
We may invite you to the next WH poetry conference...
12 posted on 02/10/2003 12:54:38 AM PST by woofie
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To: MadIvan
LOL!! So true, so true.

13 posted on 02/10/2003 12:54:39 AM PST by whadizit
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To: HAL9000
In France, officials countered that it was too early to start military preparations while diplomatic efforts continued to avoid war. However they stressed they would help the Turks if they judged it necessary.

Gee France, when will that be .. after Iraq attacks them?

14 posted on 02/10/2003 12:54:41 AM PST by Mo1
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To: MadIvan
Outstanding!!!
15 posted on 02/10/2003 12:55:37 AM PST by Mo1
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To: HAL9000

NATO to Meet After France, Belgium Block on Iraq

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - NATO called a special meeting of its 19 nations' envoys for 4:30 EST on Monday after France and Belgium blocked planning for steps to defend Turkey in the event of a war against Iraq, an official said.

"The Belgians have just broken too," an alliance official said, minutes after France "broke the silence" in a procedure under which each of the allies had until 4 a.m. EST to raise objections.

France, Germany and Belgium have argued that preparations for war, even the defense of Turkey, could undermine diplomatic efforts to avert a conflict in Iraq.

Had no member voiced opposition, the 19-member alliance would have started planning to reinforce Turkey's defenses with AWACS surveillance planes, Patriot missiles and special anti-chemical and biological warfare teams.

There was no word on whether Germany had also raised an objection ahead of the deadline, though diplomats had said over the weekend that it was likely to fall into line with the majority of allies.

© Copyright Reuters 2002.


16 posted on 02/10/2003 12:57:42 AM PST by HAL9000
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Belgium and France to Block NATO Help to Turkey

Feb. 10

— PARIS (Reuters) - Belgium and France will block on Monday a NATO plan to boost Turkey's defenses in case of a war with Iraq, Belgian Foreign Minister Louis Michel said.

Michel said two countries, among the staunchest opponents of U.S. plans to launch an attack on Iraq soon, would voice their objections to the plan before a 4 a.m. EST deadline the Atlantic Alliance had set for a decision.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, speaking in an interview published on Monday, denounced this opposition as "a disgrace" and said countries blocking the plan to reinforce Turkey's defenses would be condemned by their own people.

"We have decided to break the procedure of silence this morning," said Michel, referring to the NATO procedure by which the plan would go ahead if no member "broke the silence" and voiced objections before the deadline.

Michel said he had just spoken to French Foreign Dominique de Villepin and they had agreed that boosting NATO's defenses would send the signal that war with Iraq had already started.

A NATO official said the alliance had not yet received confirmation of the Belgian or French position.

If they did object, NATO ambassadors would probably meet later on Monday and Turkey could take the unprecedented step of invoking clause IV to call for mutual assistance for a member country under military threat.

"All bets are off -- it's difficult to predict what will happen," he said.

France, Germany and Belgium refused to go along last week with NATO efforts to boost defenses in Turkey, which could be one of the staging points for an attack on neighboring Iraq.

"Certain member countries have blocked this request (to help Turkey). I think this is a disgrace," Rumsfeld said, according to the French text in Le Figaro.

"These countries will be judged by their own people and the other members of the Alliance," he said.

Rumsfeld said Turkey had asked NATO to give it protective measures such as AWACS planes and equipment against chemical and biological weapons.

Diplomats said the standoff at NATO, in itself of little substance, is a glaring symptom of the malaise in relations between the United States and countries that Rumsfeld has labelled "old Europe."

From Washington, Secretary of State Colin Powell told "Fox News Sunday" he found the move "inexcusable."

"I hope they will think differently by the time that they have to make a judgment tomorrow," Powell said.

"This is the time for NATO to rally and to stand behind one of our NATO colleagues that may be put at risk, not by the United States but by Iraq. And so I hope that the Germans and the French and the Belgians will think differently about this over the next 24 hours."

17 posted on 02/10/2003 1:00:33 AM PST by kattracks
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To: Travis McGee; SLB; Fred Mertz; Jeff Head; pocat
FYI........french fried ?..........Stay Safe !
18 posted on 02/10/2003 1:01:03 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: HAL9000
The FROGS have CROAKED!
19 posted on 02/10/2003 1:03:59 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: HAL9000
AFP via Babelfish translation -

Double Franco-Belgian veto with the American requests on Iraq

The secretary-general of NATO George Robertson on February 6 in Brussels

France and Belgium opposed Monday morning to NATO their veto with the American requests for support in the event of conflict in Iraq, by formally notifying their dissension with the secretary-general of Alliance George Robertson, one learned from official sources.

Following this double veto, the ambassadors of NATO were to hold a meeting of crisis in Brussels with 10h30 local (09h30 GMT), announced Alliance.

"the French have just broken silence", declared little after 09H00 (08H00 GMT) a person in charge for NATO, in reference to the procedure known as of "silence" set in motion last Thursday by Lord Robertson to force a decision of Allied on the requests of the United States. A spokesman of the Belgian ministry of the Foreign Affairs confirmed on his side of information of diplomatic source according to which Belgium had made in the same way.

The "procedure of silence" implies that the Member States notify by letter their opposition to a decision, or else this one is automatically regarded as accepted. The head of the Belgian diplomacy Louis Michel had announced as of Sunday that its country, "with France" and perhaps also Germany, would oppose its veto to the American requests for support in the event of conflict in Iraq, which relate in particular to the protection of Turkey.

The American Secretary of State Colin Powell had immediately denounced such a veto like "inexcusable".


20 posted on 02/10/2003 1:05:07 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: Mo1
When Iraq attacks France they will...oh, we know what they will do...
21 posted on 02/10/2003 3:02:04 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: HAL9000
Not only does France not want to defend itself, it wants its "allies" to be defenseless also. How can someone be so stupid to equate defenseless with peace when dealing with someone like Iraq?!
23 posted on 02/10/2003 3:05:18 AM PST by American in Israel (Hey, I may be a "rightist" but it beats being wrongest...)
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To: HAL9000
France stabs us in the back...

They need to pay a heavy price!!!!!!!!!

24 posted on 02/10/2003 3:07:07 AM PST by Dog (How is my posting 1-888-ITS GOOD)
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To: Dog
This is just unbelievable; I have no words (that can be typed in this forum).
25 posted on 02/10/2003 3:09:46 AM PST by Peach
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To: Peach
I echo that sentiment. Been trying to compose a post that expresses my feeling without using numerous four-letter words. I can't do it.
26 posted on 02/10/2003 3:19:37 AM PST by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: Peach
We are seeing the realignment for probable WWIII. BTW, Iran has entered the frey now, as has the Vatican. Fasten your seatbelt .
27 posted on 02/10/2003 3:20:02 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Lion's Cub
probable WWIII

It's a bit too early to say that, yet...*possible*, I would amend that to.

28 posted on 02/10/2003 3:23:30 AM PST by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: HAL9000
UR#4).................................

It was unclear if Germany, which had previously backed French and Belgian hesitation had also supported the latest the delay of the planning to send surveillance planes, anti-missile batteries and units specialized in dealing with germ warfare and poison gas attacks to Turkey.

Right!

...batteries and units specialized in dealing with germ warfare and poison gas attacks to...

........but,............Iraq does NOT have any WMD........?

Sure,......

/sarcasm

29 posted on 02/10/2003 3:25:02 AM PST by maestro
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To: MacDonald14
The war party in Washington

Er, lets see -- that would be the Democrats, no??

World War I -- under Wilson, Democrat

World War II -- under Roosvelt, Democrat

Korean War -- under Truman, Democrat

Vietnam -- under Kennedy/Johnson, Democrat

Somalia -- under Klintoon, Democrat

Kosovo/Bosnia -- under Klintoon, Democrat

You are basing calling the Republican the War Party

because of them trying to oust your hero and protector of the World Socialist vanguard Saddam?

30 posted on 02/10/2003 3:25:46 AM PST by chilepepper
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To: HAL9000
What gall! Now they're trying to make Turkey surrender before the battle. I am SO tired of their self-important delusions of grandeur. Hey, France...you're irrelevant! Go home!
31 posted on 02/10/2003 3:26:50 AM PST by shezza (who made France the moral compass of the world?)
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To: HAL9000
OK guys, looks like it's time to reaarange the deck chairs again!
32 posted on 02/10/2003 3:29:05 AM PST by t4texas
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To: chilepepper
Nice zing, chile. ;-)

I'm so sick of this crud that I believe I may just have to shut down the screens...turn off the computers...shut down the cell phone...pull the landlines out...and watch "Gilligan's Island" on tape all day.
33 posted on 02/10/2003 3:29:35 AM PST by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: Kip Lange; Peach
Speechless that these ungrateful SOB's who we saved from Hitlers death camps would be this stupid...

Don't worry about Turkey we will take care of them....nothing will happen to them..

34 posted on 02/10/2003 3:29:58 AM PST by Dog (How is my posting 1-888-ITS GOOD)
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To: Dog
Great New York Post article posted on FR called How Dare the French Forget. Contained in the article are the names of just a few of the 10,000 American soldiers who died on French soil defending their sorry butts. We need to be able to do something to hurt them for this - $$ talks.
35 posted on 02/10/2003 3:34:51 AM PST by Peach
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To: Lion's Cub
I pray you're wrong about WWIII, but the news all around the globe is ominous
36 posted on 02/10/2003 3:36:46 AM PST by Peach
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To: Kip Lange
Perhaps the little weenies wish they were speaking German all these years. I so wish a few of our WWII soldiers were in a position to organize and make a big spash at a press conference reminding the world of our contribution to the saving of all of Europe.
37 posted on 02/10/2003 3:38:34 AM PST by Peach
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To: HAL9000
France quite NATO and now wants NATO to quit!
38 posted on 02/10/2003 3:39:50 AM PST by Jumper
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To: Kip Lange
Know what you mean about turning it all off. It's good to take an occasional break as many of these events are beyond our control anyway. But, I always get pulled back in by FR...
39 posted on 02/10/2003 3:41:02 AM PST by Peach
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To: MacDonald14
What perfect BS
41 posted on 02/10/2003 3:43:27 AM PST by Peach
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To: MacDonald14
MacDonald14 where are you coming from? Are you some kinda Libertarian?

This isn't some 'media induced war frenzy' Are you a DUh escapee?

42 posted on 02/10/2003 3:46:11 AM PST by Aaron0617
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To: MacDonald14
Your comment sounds very much like a New York Times propoganda piece. Where is your evidence? Your source?
43 posted on 02/10/2003 3:46:44 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Peach
Oh, I always get pulled back; I just think it *will* (now have decided) be very healthy to just pull the plug on everything for a few hours and watch the Professor build WMDs out of coconuts, cuz you're right on target -- it's beyond our control. Let's hope it's being dealt with by wiser/calmer heads than ours -- or at least mine, hehe ;-) (read: Let's hope Rumsfeld has calmed down enough and there is now a plan in the works that involves stuffing various sharp objects in several of Chirac's & Schroeder's orifices).
44 posted on 02/10/2003 3:48:31 AM PST by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: Dog; Kip Lange
You probably saw/heard this exchange on Fox News yesterday re the French and ANOTHER thing they're hiding:


Why The French Are So Scared & Link To Al Qaeda/Iraq
Fox News




IJAZ: Exactly. But there is another more important and more dangerous thing that is at hand. In my judgment, tomorrow Secretary Powell is going to go in front of the United Nations and make a case.

The case that he makes forensically is fairly clear now, that is that he is going to bring in intercepts and he's going to show exactly what it is we know the Iraqis have been moving around to violate the spirit and the letter of 1441. But what he may not be able as to easily talk about is the connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq, because that is not as much of a forensic connection.

HUME: In other words, that is not the kind of thing revealed in intercepts and photographs?

IJAZ: Exactly right. Because now al Qaeda has reduced itself to carrying all if its messages and all the most dangerous things that it does by hand carriage, if you will, by hand messengers.

Now, that is where we come back to what President Bush said in October of last year when he identified a senior al Qaeda leader who had gone to Iraq, received medical treatment to have a leg amputated that was blown up in the Afghan bombing campaign and then proceeded to a northern Iraqi terrorist outfit. What we have not yet heard and this is what my sources are telling me over the past two or three days, is that that leader was in fact, transported through southern Turkey using Albanian mercenaries to transport him into...

HUME: What is his name, by the way?

IJAZ: Abu Masab al-Zawkawi. He was transported through southern Turkey into the Balkans and then ended up in Paris sometime just before Ramadan started...

HUME: Last fall?

IJAZ: ... in 2002, last fall.

Now, the thing that is the most important about this is that when they uncovered the cells in Paris two weeks ago, in the apartment where they uncovered those cells, they found traces of ricin. And those traces of ricin are linked directly to this man Zawkawi.

HUME: These are al Qaeda cells?





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MANSOOR IJAZ, FOX FOREIGN AFFAIRS ANALYST: Thank you for having me here in Washington.

HUME: What's your -- what are your sources telling you what France might be nervous about here?

IJAZ: Well, there are two separate things. One is what would be uncovered if we were going to go to war with Iraq and essentially obliterate without French help the system that Saddam has set up. And there, what you have to worry about -- let's not forget that the French provided nuclear reactors to Iraq once upon a time.

And there may be a lot more in terms of information that could be brought out about what the French help has been quietly behind the scenes to the Iraqis during the ensuing years thereafter. That is, thing that is could be technically in violation of existing United Nations resolutions.

HUME: And sanctions, right.

IJAZ: Exactly. But there is another more important and more dangerous thing that is at hand. In my judgment, tomorrow Secretary Powell is going to go in front of the United Nations and make a case.

The case that he makes forensically is fairly clear now, that is that he is going to bring in intercepts and he's going to show exactly what it is we know the Iraqis have been moving around to violate the spirit and the letter of 1441. But what he may not be able as to easily talk about is the connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq, because that is not as much of a forensic connection.

HUME: In other words, that is not the kind of thing revealed in intercepts and photographs?

IJAZ: Exactly right. Because now al Qaeda has reduced itself to carrying all if its messages and all the most dangerous things that it does by hand carriage, if you will, by hand messengers.

Now, that is where we come back to what President Bush said in October of last year when he identified a senior al Qaeda leader who had gone to Iraq, received medical treatment to have a leg amputated that was blown up in the Afghan bombing campaign and then proceeded to a northern Iraqi terrorist outfit. What we have not yet heard and this is what my sources are telling me over the past two or three days, is that that leader was in fact, transported through southern Turkey using Albanian mercenaries to transport him into...

HUME: What is his name, by the way?

IJAZ: Abu Masab al-Zawkawi. He was transported through southern Turkey into the Balkans and then ended up in Paris sometime just before Ramadan started...

HUME: Last fall?

IJAZ: ... in 2002, last fall.

Now, the thing that is the most important about this is that when they uncovered the cells in Paris two weeks ago, in the apartment where they uncovered those cells, they found traces of ricin. And those traces of ricin are linked directly to this man Zawkawi.

HUME: These are al Qaeda cells?

IJAZ: These are al Qaeda cells run by Algerian operatives, who are then responsible for going and giving it to the London cell, to the Barcelona cell, to the Milan cell.

And the point I'm trying to make to you is if the French have not publicly acknowledged that they found ricin in that apartment, that is a major breach of what this international war against terrorism is all about. Now, there can only be two reasons for that. One reason is that the French are afraid that there may be 50 other cells like this and don't want to cause a panic inside of France, which is a valid domestic reason.

But I think the more likely reason is that they are deeply concerned if they put that information out there, that then makes the case of al- Zawkawi tied to Iraq, getting recipes from making ricin from Saddam Hussein and bringing those to western Europe to commit terrorist acts.

That is where we sit with the French today, that lying and obfuscation is unacceptable. They need to be called on the mat about this and I hope the secretary will, at minimum, mention the recipe books being moved around inside of Iraq so we can clearly see what the intent of these people are through this process.

HUME: You mean the intent of al Qaeda.

IJAZ: The intent of al Qaeda working with Saddam inside of Iraq.

HUME: Now, in what sense though, would a revelation of this kind other than the fact that this information hadn't been given to western intelligence agency, if it hasn't, embarrass Franc? Very quickly.

IJAZ: It embarrasses France in a very important way. It showed that they are not -- when they had the intelligence -- and by the way, German intelligence is the one that confirmed that Zakawi had gone back to Iraq into Iran. That means the French and the Germans, the two people that are complaining the loudest are the ones with the best intelligence and not sharing it with the world. This is absolutely unacceptable.

HUME: Monsoor Ijaz, very interesting. Thank you, sir.

IJAZ: Thank you for having me.

45 posted on 02/10/2003 3:49:03 AM PST by Peach
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To: Kip Lange
We have our hands full in this country and sometimes mindless activity is what one needs to escape from worry. Gilligan's Island sounds good. I watch The Dick Van Dyke show when I need some great laughs. Anyway, no more French wine for me - buy Australian!
46 posted on 02/10/2003 3:52:13 AM PST by Peach
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To: Peach
Sorry for that double post, folks. Haven't done that in a while. Although, if I were to chose something to double post, it would be the exchange on Fox yesterday regarding the French. Jaw dropping read.
47 posted on 02/10/2003 3:53:57 AM PST by Peach
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To: Peach
Wasn't Ijaz on later, as well? Thought I saw him again. But yep, saw the exchange. Key word: LYING. The French are *lying*.
48 posted on 02/10/2003 3:55:11 AM PST by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: Kip Lange
And endangering their own people. Liars, weenies, insert every swear word I know here. The day just HAS to get better. Regards, Peach
49 posted on 02/10/2003 4:01:25 AM PST by Peach
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To: Peach
And the point I'm trying to make to you is if the French have not publicly acknowledged that they found ricin in that apartment, that is a major breach of what this international war against terrorism is all about. Now, there can only be two reasons for that. One reason is that the French are afraid that there may be 50 other cells like this and don't want to cause a panic inside of France, which is a valid domestic reason.

I thought this was the most chilling part of the interview. Not only is France covering up for Iraq, but endangering its own people.

50 posted on 02/10/2003 4:34:06 AM PST by Catspaw
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