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Latinos bitterly debate Estrada nomination: Liberal racists on parade
page A1 of the Boston Globe on 2/15/2003 ^ | 2/15/2003 | Wayne Washington

Posted on 02/15/2003 7:25:12 AM PST by rface

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:09:07 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

ASHINGTON -- President Bush's nomination of Miguel Estrada for a federal judgeship has exposed sharp divisions among Latinos, who are weighing the possibility of having one of their own on a fast track to the US Supreme Court against a fear that the minority group's interests could be harmed if the Senate confirms the conservative lawyer of Honduran descent.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: estrada; judges
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Why didn't the 'Rats stay and filibuster all weekend?
1 posted on 02/15/2003 7:25:12 AM PST by rface
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To: rface
The Rats didn't stay and filibuster all weekend because the Republicans needed their time off. Any way you look at it, the first strategy of the REpublicans was to make sure they had their time off- principles come second. There is no other reasonable explanantion as this should be playing out now around the clock on C-Span for maximum advantage.
2 posted on 02/15/2003 7:30:41 AM PST by Faithfull
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To: rface
The Republicans were fools not to require them to filibuster all weekend.
3 posted on 02/15/2003 7:30:58 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines (Ithaca is the City of Evil)
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To: rface
President Bush's nomination of Miguel Estrada for a federal judgeship has exposed sharp divisions among Latinos, who are weighing the possibility of having one of their own on a fast track to the US Supreme Court against a fear that the minority group's interests could be harmed if the Senate confirms the conservative lawyer of Honduran descent.

So in the end it comes down to conservative versus the left wing in the Latino community as well as the non Latino community and the RACE should not be played by the GOP >

Latinos know what etnicity Estrada is
4 posted on 02/15/2003 7:35:42 AM PST by uncbob
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To: rface
The Constitution gives the President the right to choose federal judges, with the approval of the majority of the Senate. The Senate is supposed to decide whether or not the candidate is qualified. There is no requirement that he be a liberal, a Latino, or anything else; just that he be qualified, which, according to The American Bar Association, he clearly is. That nasty document that was created in 1789 always gives democrats fits, as they try to circumvent it.
5 posted on 02/15/2003 7:36:24 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (By George, I've got it!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
The Republicans were fools not to require them to filibuster all weekend.

The Republicans know that come next election, they could be in the minority again. Heck, all it would take is one car accident and they could be in the minority again. Memories are long in the world's most exclusive club, and they know that what goes around comes around.

6 posted on 02/15/2003 7:36:43 AM PST by RonF
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Latinos know what etnicity Estrada is.

Yes, he's Honduran. And if you think that a Mexican or a Puerto Rican or a Cuban-American all think that he and they are the same ethnic group, you're mistaken.

7 posted on 02/15/2003 7:38:20 AM PST by RonF
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To: rface
see the quote in the Globe "estrada has an hispanic name but has done nothing to help the hispanic community

No you ashole he was to busy helping himself to be sombody try it sometime.
8 posted on 02/15/2003 7:40:16 AM PST by TShaunK
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To: TShaunK
''He didn't come from a poor, disadvantaged background,'' LaRamee said

Apparently, the definition of Hispanic is:"poor, disadvantaged, and non-productive". Nice.

As I've said on other threads, this reminds me of the Hermann Goering quote: "I decide who is a Jew and who is not a Jew."

9 posted on 02/15/2003 7:45:39 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
The Constitution gives the President the right to choose federal judges, with the approval of the majority of the Senate. The Senate is supposed to decide whether or not the candidate is qualified.

Actually, the Constitution states:

... he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ... judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law:

Federal Appeals judges being an "other officer of the United States". Note that nowhere in this does it say on what basis the Senate shall make its advice or grant or withhold it's consent.

Your premise that the Senate is supposed to advise the President and grant or withhold it's consent based on whether or not the candidate is qualified is not backed up by the wording of the Constitution. There are no limits or guidelines in the Constitituion regarding the basis on which the Senate can exercise this power.

There are legitimate reasons for opposing the Senate's actions regarding this man, but none that I can see that are based on the Constitution.

10 posted on 02/15/2003 7:48:17 AM PST by RonF
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To: Faithfull
You obviously didn't read the other thread... You are spreading disinformation...
11 posted on 02/15/2003 7:50:32 AM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
They couldn't. The Republicans needed 51 senators present which constitutes a quorum. Bunning's wife is critically ill and needs to be with her. McConnell needs time off because he just recently had open heart surgery. That leaves 49 Republicans. There is no consequence for any Senator not being in session when compelled by the senate majority leader to do so...
12 posted on 02/15/2003 7:52:56 AM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: rface
There's nothing like a presidential appointment of a conservative member of an ethnic minority group to get the liberal democRats spontaneously and vividly to illustrate just what utter fools they are.

Their behavior is similar to the way chickens will behave if you feed them one kernel of corn at a time.

13 posted on 02/15/2003 7:58:59 AM PST by Marauder (Politicians use words the way a squid uses ink.)
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To: RonF
Yes, he's Honduran. And if you think that a Mexican or a Puerto Rican or a Cuban-American all think that he and they are the same ethnic group, you're mistaken.

I don't
I am against using the etnic card and wish the GOP would stay on course about his qualifiactions and forget all this Hispanic claptrap they are using. As I said Latinos know what Estrada is as you have pointed out
14 posted on 02/15/2003 8:17:42 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Over and over, in the Senate the operative phrase appears to be:

The Republicans were fools not to require them to filibuster all weekend.

15 posted on 02/15/2003 8:24:05 AM PST by Eala
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To: RonF
Yes, he's Honduran. And if you think that a Mexican or a Puerto Rican or a Cuban-American all think that he and they are the same ethnic group, you're mistaken.

Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Hondurans and Cubans are like Jamaicans, Canadians, Autralians and Yanks. You can gather the latter under the umbrella of "The English-Speaking World" but, beyond a very broad category such as that, they certainly don't consider themselves as part of the same ethnic group.

I must admit that I had never noticed that New Jersey Democrat Congressman Bob Menendez was of Cuban ethnicity. Since Menendez likes to play such games, I guess the rest of us Cuban Americans will have to claim that he is not "a real Cuban American".

Cuban American equivalents for the Southern term "scalawag" would be "infiltrado", "Comunista" and "Fidelista". So, Menendez is not "a real Cuban American" as he is simply a "Comunista infiltrado". There. I feel much better now.

But "real" or not, if Menendez were ever nominated for any high Court position, I would bitterly oppose him.

I would not care if he were "Latino", Hispanic", "Cuban American", my first cousin or my brother. I would oppose him because of his politics. Everything else is demogougic window dressing.

When it comes to politics, I don't vote color, religion, gender or ethnicity. I vote for who can best serve America.

16 posted on 02/15/2003 8:32:42 AM PST by Polybius
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To: uncbob
''There's a dirty little secret in the Hispanic community,'' said Jennifer Braceras, a member of the US Commission on Civil Rights. ''There's a real intra-Hispanic community rivalry. There's a real feeling in the Mexican-American community that the first Latino Supreme Court nominee should be Mexican-American.''

This could be a problem for Estrada and what they mean by him not being "hispanic" enough. I think the GOP should drop the race part, quit thinking that Estrada will get them sure elections and just get him in on his qualifications ---- they should turn it around on the democrats and emphasize that his race or ethnic background isn't a factor. They're letting the democrats get the upper hand when the democrats can say he's not hispanic enough and the GOP tries to prove he is ---instead they should say that is not a factor.

17 posted on 02/15/2003 8:32:47 AM PST by FITZ
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To: RonF
. . . Note that nowhere in this does it say on what basis the Senate shall make its advice or grant or withhold it's consent . . .

Not only that, the procedures that created the Federal Circuit Courts of Appeal, and that provide for filling vacancies, is not even in the Constitution, but are in 28 USC. The Constitution recites that "[the President] ... shall appoint ... all other Officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein provided for, and for which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments." (Article II, Section 2). The appointment of judges for the courts of appeal is not directly provided for in the Constitution.

Congress has the power "To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court" (Article I, Section 8). 28 USC 44(a) describes the procedure for appointing circuit judges, and happens to mirror the language of the Constitution. "The President shall appoint, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, circuit judges for the several circuits as follows: [list of circuit courts of appeal and the number of judges in each]

Implicit in the Constitution however, is that the default mode for the existence of Congressional consent is majority, i.e. 50% plus one vote. Some decisions require more than that (e.g., two thirds vote required to expel a member, or to over-ride a Presidential veto) and some require less (recording of yeas and nays requires one fifth of members present).

Without preparing a reasoned justification, my initial impression is that the Democrats in the Senate are abusing their procedural prerogative, by effectively asserting that 60% of the members are required in order to conclude that "consent" exists. I expect a court would find the matter non-justiciable, as being a political question.

The people have the power to choose Congress.

18 posted on 02/15/2003 8:36:35 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: rface
National Council of La Raza, a Latino group

For the record, "La Raza" is not a "Latino" group. It is strictly a Mexican group.

19 posted on 02/15/2003 8:39:46 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Eala
We have a mainstream newsmedia working for the DNC. WE CAN NOT GET OUR MESSAGE OUT. Schumer or Clinton can phone NBC or AP and Americans will immediately get the frontpage DNC lies.

Our guys are in the center of Rat country, surrounded by powerful leftist activists and a WH press corp as cruel and biased as we've ever had and yet OUR side dumps on those who are brave enough to run and serve in DC?

If we took half of the criticisms we directed at our own, and used that energy to help get our message out to the public, our guys in DC might find that they aren't so outnumbered while THEY fight the enemy on the front lines.

20 posted on 02/15/2003 9:14:16 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("The highest paid call girls in the history of the world." - Bob Dornan re. the UN)
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