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Democrat Targets .50 Caliber Revolver for Nationwide Ban
CNSNews.com ^ | February 17, 2003 | Democrat Targets .50 Caliber Revolver for Nationwide Ban By Michael L. Betsch

Posted on 02/18/2003 6:47:07 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants

A well-known gun maker recently introduced a powerful new hunting revolver that is said to have no equal in terms of firepower.

But within days of introducing the Smith & Wesson 500 Magnum at an industry-wide trade show in Florida, an anti-gun Democrat promised to seek a nationwide ban on the product.

"It's hard for me to rationalize any particular need or purpose" for the 500 Magnum, said Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.). "I think guns are made to kill people. That's my opinion."

Asked if he would seek a nationwide ban on the 500 Magnum, Davis replied, "Yes, indeed."

Billed as the "most powerful production revolver in the world today," S&W claims its new 500 Magnum cartridge produces nearly three times the muzzle energy of the .44 Magnum round, one of the most powerful sidearm cartridges available.

But Davis said the .50 caliber revolver, which weighs 72.5 ounces and has an overall length 15-inch has no purpose in society except to cause injury and death to humans, dismissing the manufacturer's claim that it is intended for hunting wild game.

He claimed handguns in general are specifically designed kill fellow human beings, whereas rifles and shotguns are typically relegated to hunting animals.

"You don't go out hunting deer with a revolver," Davis said. "Those of us who live in big, urban centers have a different fear and a different take than some people who may live in different environments."

Davis believes the 500 Magnum has a greater potential for becoming a lethal inner-city status symbol than an effective hunting tool, at least in his congressional district. He added that its high power combined with its concealability could make it the "weapon of choice" for urban gangs.

"If you live in a place like Chicago, and you know the amount of violence that is perpetrated by individuals who grow-up with the idea that having, handling and using a gun is a way-of-life in terms of establishing yourself on the streets or as part of the culture, then I'm afraid that many of these individuals will, in fact, acquire this weapon," Davis said.

"And, of course, the thing will be, 'I've got the most powerful piece on the block,'" he said.

Can a revolver be an assault weapon?

While Smith & Wesson's new five-round revolver is billed by the company as "the most powerful production revolver ever made," it's already being reclassified by some gun control advocates.

"If you've got something that masquerades as a handgun, but has the firepower of a major weapon, you're all at risk," said Illinois State House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie. "This is not the Wild West. It hasn't been for a long time."

Currie compared the 500 Magnum to "military-style assault weapons," although she had no information to base her claims on except for a "tip" received from a reporter.

"I'm not a weapons expert, but it sounded like pretty strong firepower to me," Currie said. "The description I heard was that from a significant range you could fell a large bear."

She dismissed the notion that the 500 Magnum is a hunting revolver, but did equate it with mob violence.

"My concern is whether this kind of weaponry -- it is a handgun as I understand it -- in a crowded, urban area downtown street corners in the midst of people who are angry about something and developing the kind of rage that means vandalism and mob action - whether this kind of weapon has any place," Currie said.

Like Davis, Currie said she would examine the prospects of making the sidearm illegal in the state.

"I'm going to look at the technology, as I say, and see if there is any way to specifically keep it from operating in the state of Illinois," Flynn said. "We are also working on efforts to ban military-style assault weapons, and, perhaps there is something about this technology that makes it possible to amend that legislation to include firepower like this."

Anti-gun message said to be flawed

Rifles are most commonly used for hunting, but many gun enthusiasts have also used smaller side arms for hunting, according to Gun Owners of America Executive Director Larry Pratt, who corrected the claim by Davis that hunters don't use revolvers to shoot prey.

"He's quite ignorant because there are people who do," Pratt said. "I do know for a fact that people take large caliber handguns with them to go hunting. And, I have no doubt that if you were lucky enough to get close enough, you could take a deer down with a .44 Magnum, which until now, was the biggest gun around."

As far as Davis' contention that any would-be criminal could easily conceal the 500 Magnum, Pratt said, "Yeah, if you have a trench coat or something like that."

Asked if the 500 Magnum's predecessor, the .44 Magnum faced the same criticisms and threats by politicians upon its introduction in 1955, Pratt said the controversy over Smith and Wesson's latest offering appears to be a sign of the times.

"It was all sort of good clean fun when it was introduced, but we're 20 years further along the gun-hating sensitivity training," Pratt said. "We're talking about the frame of mind that opposes concealed carry by private citizens."


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Davis believes the 500 Magnum has a greater potential for becoming a lethal inner-city status symbol

COMPLRTELY ignoring the fact that gang bangers simply don't carry 4 1/2 lb. $900 guns around. If having the most powerful gun was a status symbol amog gang bangers, then they would all be carrying .454 Casull's.

1 posted on 02/18/2003 6:47:07 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Blood of Tyrants; newgeezer
They should make a 20 mm magnum, then let the anti-gun nuts actually ban it so they can feel they are accomplishing something. Then they could leave us alone for a couple of years.
2 posted on 02/18/2003 6:50:20 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.). "I think guns are made to kill people. That's my opinion."

At least he got that point correct. Now if he can only figure out what the Bill of Rights means. People have a right to defend themselves. Superior firepower is a good means to do that. Statistically speaking, I don't think that the .44 Automag (ie. Dirty Harry's weapon of choice) makes a blip on the criminal weapon's radar screen. Why would this be any different?

3 posted on 02/18/2003 6:50:33 AM PST by Hodar
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To: Blood of Tyrants
If memory serves me $2 box cutters were ultimately responsible for more than 3,000 deaths on September 11, 2001. Why don't we have a ban on them?
4 posted on 02/18/2003 6:51:24 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"It's hard for me to rationalize any particular need or purpose" for the 500 Magnum, said Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.). "I think guns are made to kill people. That's my opinion."

You THINK??? You want legislation based ON WHAT YOU THINK???

OH, look for TV newscasts suddenly obsessed AGAIN with gun violence and the need for control of all thos nasty, evil, law-abiding gun owners AGAIN.

Democrats have brain damage...must be all the coke and opuim-laced Lebonese hash.

5 posted on 02/18/2003 6:52:59 AM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: biblewonk
Anything larger than a .50 cal (using modern smokless powder) is currently classified as a "destructive weapon" and is already highly regulated.
6 posted on 02/18/2003 6:54:39 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
He added that its high power combined with its concealability could make it the "weapon of choice" for urban gangs.

CONCEALABILITY...of a miniature cannon? What is this guy smoking?

7 posted on 02/18/2003 6:55:06 AM PST by Sangamon Kid
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"You don't go out hunting deer with a revolver," Davis said.

Well the buck I shot with my .44 last last fall would disagree.

These people are hysterical.

8 posted on 02/18/2003 6:55:41 AM PST by MileHi
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To: cake_crumb
Democrats have brain damage ...and some of them appear to have a suicidal disregard for the country's founding documents.
9 posted on 02/18/2003 6:56:50 AM PST by Noumenon
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Great, I imagine they will go after these next...
10 posted on 02/18/2003 6:57:27 AM PST by SirFishalot
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To: Blood of Tyrants

http://www.magnumresearch.com/

11 posted on 02/18/2003 6:57:52 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Sangamon Kid
What is this guy smoking?

My guess would be that it is opium laced hashish from his buddy's, Saddam's private stock.

12 posted on 02/18/2003 6:58:03 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
bump ..... A 12 guage revolver would be kinda nice
13 posted on 02/18/2003 6:59:03 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Take charge of your destiny, or someone else will)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Danny Davis - confirmed card carrying member of Democrat Socialists of America.
14 posted on 02/18/2003 6:59:06 AM PST by Commiewatcher
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To: Centurion2000
Yea! In 3 1/2" magnum, too!
15 posted on 02/18/2003 6:59:58 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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To: Centurion2000
Magnum Research makes the same revolver this idiot is trying to ban in .45 Long Colt/.410. Its not 12 gauge, but its a start.
16 posted on 02/18/2003 7:03:45 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Blood of Tyrants


Specifications
Model: 500
Product Code: 163500
Caliber: 500 S&W Magnum®
Capacity: 5 Rounds
Barrel Length: 8-3/8”
Frame Size: X-Frame
Action: Single Action/Double Action
Front Sights: Interchangeable Black Blade
Rear Sights: Micrometer Click Black Blade
Grips: Hogue Rubber-Energy Absorbing
Material: Stainless Steel
Finish: Satin Stainless
Overall Length: 15”
Weight: 72.5 oz.
Other Features:
  • Most Powerful Production Revolver in the World Today
  • Massive 500 S&W Magnum® Cartridge 2600 ft/lb. Muzzle Energy
  • A Hunting Handgun For Any Game Animal Walking
  • Recoil Tamed with Effective Muzzle Compensator
  • Hoque Sorbathane® Recoil Absorbing Grip
  • Internal Lock
UPC: 022188635003

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Specifications
Product Code: 170231
Caliber: 500 S&W Magnum®
Capacity: 5 Rounds
Frame: X-Frame
Barrel Length: 10.5"
Front Sight: Orange Dovetail Ramp
Rear Sight: Adjustable White Outline
Grips: Hogue Dual Density Monogrip
Material: Stainless Steel
Finish: Glassbead
Overall Length: 18"
Height: 6.5"
Weight Empty: 82.0 oz.
Other Features:
  • Recoil Compensator for Increased Muzzle Control
  • Tuned Performance Center Action
  • Integral Weaver Base for Easy Optics Mounting
  • Increased Velocity and Energy with 10.5" Barrel
  • Flash Chromed Hammer and Trigger for Smooth, Crisp Action
  • Internal Lock
  • Performance Center Gun Rug and Sling included
UPC Code: 022188702316



17 posted on 02/18/2003 7:06:34 AM PST by WSGilcrest (R)
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To: Centurion2000
How about this:

This is a LE MAT two-barrel Revolver. This gun is a transitional model having all features of the first model, with the exception of the loading lever mounted on the left side. Girard & Co., Paris, France manufactured it. It was produced circa 1860. The inventor of this unusual weapon was Dr. Jean Alexander Francois Le Mat of New Orleans, Louisiana. He and P. G. T. Beauregard tried to manufacture this revolver in America. Their efforts were unsuccessful. Le Mat then went to Paris where Dr. Girard became a partner and manufactured the revolvers. They have a 9 shot cylinder of .42 caliber and a .63 caliber shotgun barrel.
-Civil War Preservations
18 posted on 02/18/2003 7:07:11 AM PST by Garegaupa
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To: Commiewatcher
"Danny Davis - confirmed card carrying member of Democrat Socialists of America."
In other words, a certified dirtbag.
19 posted on 02/18/2003 7:07:41 AM PST by wjcsux
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To: WSGilcrest
Obviously, this is an easily concealed firearm.
20 posted on 02/18/2003 7:08:55 AM PST by wjcsux
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Since these two bozos "think" that the weapon will be used destructively in their districts, the law should specify that NOBODY IN THEIR DISTRICTS MAY PURCHASE THE WEAPON.

There.

Perhaps the gang-bangers will sue under the 14th Amendment. Let them.
21 posted on 02/18/2003 7:09:12 AM PST by ninenot
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To: Polycarp
Correction: Magnum Research makes a revolver similar to the one this idiot is trying to ban in .45 Long Colt/.410. Its not 12 gauge, but its a start.
22 posted on 02/18/2003 7:09:24 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Blood of Tyrants
What has happened to Illinois? These two dim bulbs couldn't even function as UN weapons inspectors. "Well I don't have any real information and haven't even seen a picture of one, and I admit I don't know anything about weapons but this reporter said you could kill a large bear with one, and that scares me. Because I'm a lot smaller than a bear, you see. And anything that scares me is a military-style assault weapon. And everyone knows they're bad. We'll just ban them even before we come up with a catchy nickname like 'Friday-night fifty' or something. Yeah, that's it."
23 posted on 02/18/2003 7:10:36 AM PST by Sender (-A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. -WOPR-)
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To: Centurion2000
How about a Derringer in 45-70
24 posted on 02/18/2003 7:11:38 AM PST by SirFishalot
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.) = Enemy of the People
25 posted on 02/18/2003 7:12:50 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: MileHi
"You don't go out hunting deer with a revolver," Davis said.

I don't know what planet this guy lives on.
I've hand gun hunted for a lot of years. Both small and large game!
26 posted on 02/18/2003 7:13:27 AM PST by b fair
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To: Sangamon Kid
The specs on the two revolvers listed above (below your post) show weights of greater than 4.5 pounds to 5 pounds. That is WITHOUT ammunition in them. Add more for 5 rounds of kick a$$ and you you go even higher...concealability my a$$.
27 posted on 02/18/2003 7:13:57 AM PST by IYAS9YAS
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To: Blood of Tyrants
You don't go out hunting deer with a revolver,"

I personally know three people who do just that. This guy is an idiot.

28 posted on 02/18/2003 7:15:05 AM PST by AUgrad (We filled his head with cannonballs and powdered his behind.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
...said Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.). "I think guns are made to kill people. That's my opinion."

You got a problem with that, fascist?

29 posted on 02/18/2003 7:20:57 AM PST by Sloth (I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I would pay cash money to watch some gangbanger bust off a cap from his new "fiddy" caliber while using the one-handed sideways gangsta grip. Do these blissninnies understand that most of the mayhem done on the street is inflicted by small caliber Lorcins, Jennings, etc.?
30 posted on 02/18/2003 7:21:32 AM PST by AngryJawa (Warning! Grumpy Gen-X Capitalist Pig With Firearms)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The 500 Magnum sounds like a good gun to take with you to the back country of Wyoming or Alaska. Somehow, I can't see convenience store robbers or drug dealers bothering to hoist one of these around in their daily activities.
31 posted on 02/18/2003 7:24:45 AM PST by arm958
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Too much idiocy contained within the story to comment about.

I think I'll get one for the hell of it. A friend of mine went to the trade show in Orlando where they unveiled this. They were giving out(maybe selling) the cartidge on key chains. Its HUGE.

32 posted on 02/18/2003 7:25:14 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: AngryJawa
Concealability ?
In what ? A '62 Buick ?
33 posted on 02/18/2003 7:27:25 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The arrogant ignorance of the anti-gunners never ceases to amaze me. Like when they deny that this gun's primary use will be hunting, versus self-defense. Like when they assert that this will become the goblins' weapon of choice.

Personally, I'm waiting for S&W to come out with a version with a 3 inch barrel for concealed carry - whether you believe Fackler or Marshall and Sanow, it'll take care of any goblin you hit.

34 posted on 02/18/2003 7:29:03 AM PST by white trash redneck
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To: Blood of Tyrants
My darker side would like to see the counterpoint of the title: ".50 Caliber Revolver Targets Democrats for Nationwide Ban".
35 posted on 02/18/2003 7:29:57 AM PST by Dionysius
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To: Garegaupa
I've seen those before ... they are nice but would shatter under the pressures that I put my guns through ....

Now a good idea would be a 45/454 revolver with a 12 gause (or even a long 50 cal shtogun shell) center barrel has some very interesting possibilities

36 posted on 02/18/2003 7:30:55 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Take charge of your destiny, or someone else will)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"It's hard for me to rationalize any particular need or purpose" for the 500 Magnum, said Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.). "I think guns are made to kill people. That's my opinion."

That's right... and the 500 Magnum is made to kill really BIG people.

37 posted on 02/18/2003 7:36:08 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"Those of us who live in big, urban centers have a different fear and a different take than some people who may live in different environments."

Sounds like the problem is one of living in the wrong place, or so he thinks.

He added that its high power combined with its concealability could make it the "weapon of choice" for urban gangs.....
"If you live in a place like Chicago, and you know the amount of violence that is perpetrated by individuals who grow-up with the idea that having, handling and using a gun is a way-of-life in terms of establishing yourself on the streets or as part of the culture, then I'm afraid that many of these individuals will, in fact, acquire this weapon," Davis said.

This guy's problem is the same as most of these gun grabbers. They simply project their own weaknesses and inabilities to cope on to others, and think that others will blow up in rage and grab the nearest gun and start blasting away, therefore others would do the same. In a nutshell, they are fearful of themselves.

It is they who need to get a grip, and realize that the majority of gun owners are not psychotic, weak willed, temper tantrum throwing liberals.

38 posted on 02/18/2003 7:40:11 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: cake_crumb
"It's hard for me to rationalize..."

Yeah, we could tell, Dan. Try deep breathing and humming quietly for 10 minutes... let your mind go blank. You'll feel much better.

39 posted on 02/18/2003 7:42:05 AM PST by Gargantua (Are you with U.S. or against U.S.?)
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To: Noumenon
" ...and some of them appear to have a suicidal disregard for the country's founding documents."

Absolutely. ESPECIALLY when misquoting those founding documents to further their personal agendas.

40 posted on 02/18/2003 7:43:22 AM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: Centurion2000

QUOTE:
Now a good idea would be a 45/454 revolver with a 12 gause (or even a long 50 cal shtogun shell) center barrel has some very interesting possibilities

Indeed. Such a gun would be quite a sight...

41 posted on 02/18/2003 7:45:30 AM PST by Garegaupa
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Hark, the cry of the 'Morono Ignorante' gun grabbers rises in the crisp night air like the haunted call of the loon from the heart of the swamp! What a bunch of idiots! I'd like to see someone conceal one of those.Besides, you really don't take a five shot revolver to start a gunfight with these days.
42 posted on 02/18/2003 7:53:31 AM PST by angry beaver norbert
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To: SirFishalot
Now that's a nice handgun!
43 posted on 02/18/2003 7:54:51 AM PST by angry beaver norbert
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To: cake_crumb
Absolutely!What these idiots are afraid of is that the American people will realize the armed citizen was also intended as the ultimate check against politicians gone totally stupid!
44 posted on 02/18/2003 8:02:11 AM PST by angry beaver norbert
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"You don't go out hunting deer with a revolver," Davis said.

As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon!" That statement alone clearly demonstrates this political hack's total ignorance about firearms and hunting.

In fact, literally tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands, of hunters use handguns of all types and calibers for hunting game from squirrels and rabbits up to moose and Kodiak bears. Revolvers chambered for the .454 Casull, .476 Linebaugh, .45-70, and even the relatively puny .44 mag, have been used for many years to take dangerous game the size of Cape buffalo and larger. Not to mention single shot hand cannons like the TC Contender which are chambered for centerfire rifle rounds.

I haven't seen the ballistics of the new S&W .50, but I would bet it isn't any more powerful than the .476 Linebaugh which has been available in custom revolvers for over a decade. I would also bet that neither the .476, .454 Casull, .480 Ruger, or .45-70 (revolver), have ever been used to deliberately kill or injure a human being, nor to commit any crime period.

45 posted on 02/18/2003 8:16:12 AM PST by epow
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"If you've got something that masquerades as a handgun, but has the firepower of a major weapon, you're all at risk," said Illinois State House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie. "This is not the Wild West. It hasn't been for a long time."

Has she inadvertently found the problem?

46 posted on 02/18/2003 8:23:55 AM PST by upchuck (Sadamn: You are on the way to destruction...you have no chance to survive, make your time..ha ha ha)
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To: WSGilcrest
My wrist started hurting just looking at that picture.

I used to deer hunt exclusively with a Ruger SuperBlackhawk .44 Mag. When I broke my wrist in a motorcycle accident (navicular bone in center of the wrist) I had to start wearing a wrist brace when I shot the .44 or else it hurt to the point that I would flinch when firing.

Can't imagine what that thing would be like to fire.

BTW, the politicians listed in the article above represent the lowest common denominator el stupido leftist mentality. They have no idea what they are talking about, but they are willing to legislate it.
47 posted on 02/18/2003 8:44:35 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Five pounds and fifteen inches long, and this idiot is babbling about "concealability?" Yeah, just look for the gangbangah walking through South Central in July wearing a trenchcoat and listing twenty degrees to port. Riiight.

}:-)4
48 posted on 02/18/2003 8:56:51 AM PST by Moose4 (The game is over.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
For several years I've had this, from Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO), saved on disk...

ADL LIE: "Gun control" makes you safer, at the cost of "minor" inconvenience, e.g., permits, waiting periods, registration bans on, and confiscation of, some firearms and magazines.

JPFO FACT: The down-side to "gun control" is genocide, and mortal peril to those in the U.S. armed services, who have recently been deployed overseas thanks to "gun control".

In this century there have been at least seven major genocides in which at least 56,000,000 persons, including millions of children, have been murdered by officials of governments "gone bad". The seven cases are:

1915 - 1917 Ottoman Turkey, 1.5 million Armenians murdered;

1929 - 1953 Soviet Union, 20 million people that opposed Stalin were murdered;

1933 - 1945 Nazi occupied Europe, 13 million Jews Gypsies and others that opposed Hitler were murdered;

1948 - 1952 China, 20 million anti communists;

1960 - 1981 Guatemala, 100,000 Mayan Indians Murdered;

1971 - 1979 Uganda, 300,000 Christians and Political Rivals of Idi Amin murdered;

1975 - 1979 Cambodia, 1 million educated persons murdered.TOTAL VICTIMS: 56 MILLION!

In every case, there was on the books before the murdering began, at least one "gun control" law, sometimes the last of a series. In five of the seven cases, "gun control" was first enacted by a regime that came before the genocide regime -- sometimes decades before.

49 posted on 02/18/2003 8:58:50 AM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: AngryJawa
"Yo, G, check this out! I got me a fiddy!"

(draws S&W .500 and holds it in classic movie-gangbangah sideways grip)

*BANG*

(gun flies out of the playah's hand as his wrist pulverizes, and hits him in the nose, breaking it--the nose, not the gun. Then the gun hits the ground and discharges into the shooter's chest, thus helping to chlorinate the gene pool)

"daaaaayyyuummm"

}:-)4
50 posted on 02/18/2003 9:02:06 AM PST by Moose4 (The game is over.)
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