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Extra Dimensions Showing Hints Of Scientific Revolution
spacedaily.com ^ | 19 Feb 03 | staff

Posted on 02/19/2003 9:18:15 AM PST by RightWhale

Extra Dimensions Showing Hints Of Scientific Revolution

Chicago - Feb 19, 2003

The concept of extra dimensions, dismissed as nonsense even by one of its earliest proponents nearly nine decades ago, may soon help solve seemingly unrelated problems in particle physics, cosmology and gravitational physics, according to a panel of experts who spoke Feb. 15 at the American Association for the Advancement of Science annual meeting in Denver.

"It doesn't happen often that you get a confluence of ideas and experiments that come together and it's something that obviously would change your whole way of looking at the universe," said one of the panelists, Joseph Lykken, Professor in Physics at the University of Chicago and a scientist at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory. Even though scientists lack direct evidence of extra dimensions, "we have a number of hints from experiments and theoretical ideas that make us think they're probably out there. That's why we're so excited about looking for them," Lykken said. On the theoretical side, string theory, developed over the past two decades, requires that space-time has extra dimensions if it is to include gravity. "It's just built into the way that string theory works," Lykken said.

Experiments, meanwhile, have produced the standard model of physics to describe the most elementary particles and the forces that hold them together. Physicists have come to suspect that something is missing from the standard model. "There seems to be more particles and forces than we really need, and they operate in more complicated ways than they need to," Lykken said. But extra dimensions may ultimately help explain these data complications. "That standard model itself may be our biggest hint that there's this world of extra dimensions," he said.

New experiments at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory are producing data that just don't fit the standard model, said Maria Spiropulu an Enrico Fermi Fellow at the University of Chicago. "We have things in the data that leave our mouths hanging," she said. Whether extra dimensions or some other phenomenon emerges to clarify these murky data, scientists seem certain that they stand only a few years away from a scientific revolution. "What's going on right now in particle physics, gravitational physics and cosmology is like when quantum mechanics started coming together," Spiropulu said.

Quantum mechanics, developed in the 1920s, describes the physics of objects at the atomic level and dominates the concepts of modern physics. Spiropulu, who organized the AAAS session on the physics of extra dimensions, spoke at the session along with scientists from Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Harvard University and the universities of Chicago and Washington. Another panelist, Sean Carroll, Assistant Professor in Physics at the University of Chicago, said that extra dimensions could help solve two mysteries in cosmology: what were the initial conditions of the universe and what is the mysterious dark energy that is accelerating the expansion of the universe. The idea of an inflationary universe, one that expanded rapidly just moments after the big bang, has gained wide acceptance among cosmologists to explain how conditions in the early universe could be unexpectedly different from what they later came to be. But inflationary cosmology tells scientists nothing about the initial conditions of the universe. This is where extra dimensions come in, even though they might be microscopically small.

"If you had extra dimensions, then when the universe is very small at early times, the extra dimensions weren't small compared to the rest of the universe," Carroll said. "They must have played a big role. What was that role? Could the role have something to do how we perceive the initial conditions?" Extra dimensions may also explain dark energy. Physicists conjecture that dark energy is governed partly by occurrences in the familiar four dimensions and partly by occurrences in the extra dimensions, Carroll explained. "There is the tantalizing possibility that a complete change of perspective makes all of the problems collapse at once," he said.


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; darkenergy; darkmatter; gravity; origin; realscience; stringtheory
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At least one of the extra dimensions may not be small, may be the size of neurons in the brain, or larger.
1 posted on 02/19/2003 9:18:15 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
Michio Kaku had a book on this ("Hyperspace") in the mid-1990s.
2 posted on 02/19/2003 9:20:22 AM PST by TheAngryClam (Affirmative Action is Racism)
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To: RightWhale
Bump.
3 posted on 02/19/2003 9:21:58 AM PST by jimt
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To: RightWhale
As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:9
4 posted on 02/19/2003 9:26:53 AM PST by keats5
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To: *RealScience
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
5 posted on 02/19/2003 9:32:07 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: keats5
in the beginning there was this giant turtle...
7 posted on 02/19/2003 9:40:55 AM PST by Mr. K (all your (OPTIONAL TAG LINE) are belong to us)
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To: RightWhale
The Jatravartid People of Viltvodle Six, (a group of six armed beings distinguished in having invented the areosol deodorant before inventing the wheel) firmly believe that the entire universe was sneezed out of the nose of a being called "The Great Green Arkleseizure" and live in perpetual fear of the time they call "The Coming Of The Great White Handkerchief."
8 posted on 02/19/2003 9:41:26 AM PST by Mr. K (all your (OPTIONAL TAG LINE) are belong to us)
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To: Mr. K
[Snicker] It all comes back to 42.
9 posted on 02/19/2003 9:43:40 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: RightWhale
Really small dimensions? Playing a really big role? This is huge!!
10 posted on 02/19/2003 9:45:33 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Mr. K
... and it's turtles all the way down.
11 posted on 02/19/2003 9:47:17 AM PST by Lexington Green
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To: ClearCase_guy
It might be huge. Especially if everything is connected through these tiny dimensions. See? We found a use for tensors and quaternions after all.
12 posted on 02/19/2003 9:48:12 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale; betty boop; Phaedrus; RadioAstronomer
Thank you so much for this post, RightWhale!

But inflationary cosmology tells scientists nothing about the initial conditions of the universe. This is where extra dimensions come in, even though they might be microscopically small.

Bumping for discussion...

13 posted on 02/19/2003 9:48:50 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Mr. K
Personally, I can't wait until we discover some *lower* dimensions so I can have a go at Brockian Ultra Cricket.
14 posted on 02/19/2003 9:50:20 AM PST by Goodlife
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To: Dark Nerd
Maybe they can find where that one lost sock disappears to when I do the laundry...

GW
15 posted on 02/19/2003 9:52:13 AM PST by gregwest
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To: RightWhale
Physicists have come to suspect that something is missing from the standard model.

..hey, anybody seen the glue?

16 posted on 02/19/2003 9:53:36 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Nothing worse than an angry herd of hungry finches....)
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To: VadeRetro; PatrickHenry
Figured y'all might find this interesting.
17 posted on 02/19/2003 9:55:18 AM PST by Junior (I want my, I want my, I want my chimpanzees)
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To: Junior
Rod Serling voice:

Beyond this door lies another dimension. It's a dimension of sight. It's a dimension of sound. [Crash!] It's a dimension of mind.

Alright, I don't know what the heck dimension it is!


18 posted on 02/19/2003 10:02:31 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: RightWhale
I receive radio broadcasts from extra dimensions through my teeth... drives me crazy!
19 posted on 02/19/2003 10:02:54 AM PST by chilepepper
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; *crevo_list; RadioAstronomer; Scully; Piltdown_Woman; ...
Multi-dimensional ping.

[This ping list is for the evolution -- not creationism -- side of evolution threads, and sometimes for other science topics. To be added (or dropped), let me know via freepmail.]

20 posted on 02/19/2003 10:15:56 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas)
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To: RightWhale
Would this be something like the Fifth Dimension?

Sounds like the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius to me...


21 posted on 02/19/2003 10:18:32 AM PST by Paradox
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To: RightWhale
Oh yeah, did someone say something about extra "dementians"?


22 posted on 02/19/2003 10:21:13 AM PST by Paradox
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To: gregwest
Tumbolia, per Godel, Escher, Bach.
23 posted on 02/19/2003 10:21:58 AM PST by Hoosier-Daddy (Be careful what you wish for: you might get it.)
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To: All
Interesting article here: The search for extra dimensions.
24 posted on 02/19/2003 10:22:50 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas)
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To: PatrickHenry
Thanks for the link.
As Mr. Spock would say - "It's fascinating."
25 posted on 02/19/2003 10:25:39 AM PST by NEWwoman
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To: Mr. K
Physicists have come to suspect that something is missing from the standard model. "There seems to be more particles and forces than we really need, and they operate in more complicated ways than they need to," Lykken said.

Occam's razor is useless without Gillette's shave cream.

26 posted on 02/19/2003 10:31:14 AM PST by talleyman (All your belong to us are belong to us)
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To: Dark Nerd; Zack Nguyen
LOL!
(to Dark Nerd) I have that episode on tape. I love it!
(to Zack) And the answer to all of life's questions is...
28 posted on 02/19/2003 10:58:57 AM PST by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: RightWhale
Epicycles. But, hey, the math works.
29 posted on 02/19/2003 11:06:34 AM PST by js1138
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To: PatrickHenry
I'm an Aquarius!
30 posted on 02/19/2003 11:31:43 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Alamo-Girl
I'm still waiting to see the

HEAVENS ROLLED BACK LIKE A SCROLL.

What's behind the curtain, Lord?

Exciting times.

BTW, Angel-Gal,

have had a raft of emails and articles hit my inbox today which seem to indicate high probability (if not definite) of WAR by 3 Mar.

A) That's sobering given the noises from Taiwan/China; NKorea; India Pakistan and all the rest currently. PRAYER AT LEAST GREATLY STILL IN ORDER

B) Do you think if and when "festivities" get kicked of in really big ways in diverse points that some of this extradimensional stuff is going to enter in somehow--either in weapons, UFO stuff; God/Supernatural stuff vis a vis some cryptic prophetic Scriptures?

Curious about your great wisdom, insight AND GUESSES on such.
31 posted on 02/19/2003 11:31:55 AM PST by Quix (FREEPCARDS additions will be delayed until after birthday and Albuquerque trip)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
I'm an Aquarius!

This is not a sex chat room!

32 posted on 02/19/2003 11:36:08 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas)
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To: RightWhale
So where's Mr. Myxtlplyk?
33 posted on 02/19/2003 11:55:20 AM PST by Argus
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To: RightWhale; aruanan
Yes, reality must be made to conform to the mathematics rather than the mathematics conforming to reality.
****PINK MATTER ALERT*****
34 posted on 02/19/2003 12:00:52 PM PST by Gary Boldwater
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To: Quix; betty boop; Phaedrus
Thank you so much for your post and all the kudos!

With regard to Bible prophecy, by my reading, events have been converging rapidly: Prophecy related events during the Clinton administration. I recognize these and much more as "signs of the times" (Matthew 25, II Timothy 3.) On the geopolitical stage since Clinton, powers align closely to Daniel - war in Iraq could divide the world into the Daniel prophesy of ideological groupings with Israel at the geographic hub. Therefore, I am alert (Revelation 22) but not certain - since we can only know the signs, not the date and time.

With regard to the research of other dimensions and particularly, higher dimensional dynamics - I'm very glad for the work in progress. For too long science has limited itself to exploring only within the physical realm, i.e. that which can be observed is all that there is. Moreover, that "physical realm" has generally excluded space/time and extra dimensions except when it had to be considered, usually by physicists. But, the actual import of the physicists' findings reach to every corner of science. This is what I think they will appreciate!

I anticipate scientists will be astonished with what they find with regard to extra dimensions, super symmetry and the Higgs field/boson. I take these articles as clues of what they might find and hints of where it might lead:

Ultra early Universe
Time gives rays a break
Quantum Reality
Atom wave phenomenon
STM Publications
As to how Bible prophecy and science might converge, I do not know except that I'm confident God will not allow us to learn more than we are able to "handle."

I'm thinking of the Tower of Babel here. In Biblical prophesy there is always a current fulfillment and a future fulfillment. So if science reaches too far, the game will be over IMHO.

35 posted on 02/19/2003 12:42:46 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Mr. K
So long and thanks for all the fish!
36 posted on 02/19/2003 12:49:20 PM PST by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: Alamo-Girl
But, the actual import of the physicists' findings reach to every corner of science.

Yes, and this is really exciting! We live in totally amazing times....

37 posted on 02/19/2003 12:57:46 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
Thank you for your post!

We live in totally amazing times....

Indeed we do! And there is wide support for the research between the physicists writing books for the general public and the proliferation of information via the internet! It's very exciting watching all this happen ...

38 posted on 02/19/2003 1:05:22 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Evolution is the daRwIning of the black hole --- dark age !
39 posted on 02/19/2003 1:10:04 PM PST by f.Christian (( + God *IS* Truth -- love * DELIVERANCE* *logic* -- *SANITY* Awakening + ))
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To: f.Christian
Thank you for your post! Hugs!
40 posted on 02/19/2003 1:15:18 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: RightWhale
The real question is how much information can these dimensions hold. Are they "gnarly"?
41 posted on 02/19/2003 1:16:19 PM PST by techcor
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To: Alamo-Girl
``I was a communist for 30 years and I listened to so much of this . . . demagoguery (( link )) - - - that now, with my democratic views, I can no longer stand it,'' Itar-Tass news agency
42 posted on 02/19/2003 1:22:49 PM PST by f.Christian (( + God *IS* Truth -- love * DELIVERANCE* *logic* -- *SANITY* Awakening + ))
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To: RightWhale
There's another point of view in looking at the Initial, and Boundary Conditions of the Universe. This is based on Spin Networks, and Loop Quantum Gravity theories. Things are really heating up in Astrophysics, and High Energy Physics. There's also a seeming confluence of the Bible's Genesis, and Modern Physics, and Mathematics. "In the begining there was the Word.........". Could the Word be also the Laws of Modern Physics? Could this lead to a true understanding of the Nature of God?
43 posted on 02/19/2003 1:26:48 PM PST by desertcry
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To: Dark Nerd
can we use this technology you mention to develop an emotionally stable woman?
44 posted on 02/19/2003 1:29:14 PM PST by OldCorps
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To: Paradox
LOL, the best one yet!
45 posted on 02/19/2003 1:31:46 PM PST by desertcry
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To: f.Christian
Thank you for the link, f.Christian! Hugs!
46 posted on 02/19/2003 1:37:10 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: desertcry
I agree with you about the direction of science, per your post at 43! You might be interested in these:

Physics News 4/27/2000

The 36-member, international “Boomerang” (Balloon Observations of Millimetric Extragalactic Radiation and Geomagnetics) collaboration, led by Andrew Lange of Caltech and Paolo de Bernardis of the University of Rome, confirms that a plot of CMB strength peaks at a multipole value of about 197 (corresponding to CMB patches about one degree in angular spread), very close to what theorists had predicted for a cosmology in which the universe’s overall curvature is zero and the existence of cold dark matter is invoked…

The shape of the observed pattern of temperature variations suggests that a disturbance very like a sound wave moving through air passed through the high- density primordial fluid and that the CMB map can be can be thought of as a sort of sonogram of the infant universe. (de Bernardis et al., Nature, 27 April 2000.)

Big Bang Evidence Found – 5/2/2001

“The early universe is full of sound waves compressing and rarefying matter and light, much like sound waves compress and rarefy air inside a flute or trumpet,” explained Paolo deBernardis of the University of Rome La Sapienza, one of the members of the Balloon Observations of Millimetric Extragalactic Radiation and Geophysics (BOOMERanG) team. “For the first time the new data show clearly the harmonics of these waves.”

Harmonics in the Early Universe – 6/5/2001

The MAXIMA, BOOMERANG, and DASI collaborations, which measure minute variations in the CMB, recently reported new results at the American Physical Society meeting in Washington, D.C. All three agree remarkably about what the “harmonic proportions” of the cosmos imply: not only is the universe flat, but its structure is definitely due to inflation, not to topological defects in the early universe.

The results were presented as plots of slight temperature variations in the CMB that graph sound waves in the dense early universe. These high-resolution “power spectra” show not only a strong primary resonance but are consistent with two additional harmonics, or peaks.

The peaks indicate harmonics in the sound waves that filled the early, dense universe. Until some 300,000 years after the Big Bang, the universe was so hot that matter and radiation were entangled in a kind of soup in which sound waves (pressure waves) could vibrate. The CMB is a relic of the moment when the universe had cooled enough so that photons could "decouple" from electrons, protons, and neutrons; then atoms formed and light went on its way.

From the Word:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. – John 1:1

By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. – Psalms 33:6

And then there’s the harmony in DNA, too:

CBS

(AP) Imagine the human genome as music. Unravel DNA's double helix, picture its components lined up like piano keys and assign a note to each. Run your finger along the keys...

French-born composer Richard Krull turned DNA sequences - a snippet of a gene might look like AGCGTATACGAGT - into sheet music. He arbitrarily assigned tones of the eight-note, do-re-mi scale to each letter. Thymine became re, for instance. Guanine is so, adenine la and cytosine do.

Played solo on percussion, classical guitar or the other instruments used on the CD, the sequences would sound cute but rudimentary, the musical equivalent of PacMan in an era of Microsoft Xbox.

So the alphabet soup of bases served as just that, base lines to accompany melodies composed by Krull and his scientific colleague. They say the melodies were influenced, even dictated, by the mood and rhythm of the underlying genetic code.

US Patent Application

There is provided a method for determining the musical notes associated with an amino acid sequence, the musical periods of the sequence, the lengths of the notes, and the tone quality of the notes through the retroaction of the whole set of amino acids and using that information to regulate the biosynthesis of the protein. The amino acids that build a protein emit a signal of quantum nature at a certain frequency. Following the properties of this signal, the frequency is transposed into a musical note. This discovery has numerous applications since one can then deduce from the amino acid sequence of a protein a sequence of notes composing the melody that will act to stimulate or inhibit its synthesis inside an organism, wherefrom one can in addition delimit its biological functions.

I have predicted that an algorithm will be discovered which, at the inception – the Big Bang - would give rise to the fields via harmonics (wave phenomenon) - then geometry/dimensions, the particles – and of course the physical laws.

Just my two cents…

47 posted on 02/19/2003 1:47:25 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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Thanks much for the heads up. The dynamics of the very early Universe even before matter condensed form photonic energy, must have really been very interesting. Consider this: It apparently takes thousands of years for a photon created in the center of our sun to reach the surface due to photon-matter interactions. What really intrigue me though, is the subject of the SINGULARITY(the initial, conditions of the big bang). What is it, what are it's properties? Unfortunately these can't be answered with tools that invoke SPACE-TIME concepts. Now, SPIN NETWORKS, and LQG theories maybe able to go around the SINGULARITY to
discribe the Big Bang's Initial conditions. If this turns out tor be true, then perhaps, the Word is indeed God, as the bible said.
48 posted on 02/19/2003 2:17:59 PM PST by desertcry
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To: desertcry
Could the Word be also the Laws of Modern Physics?

Some think the Kabala is exactly the laws of modern physics, encoded.

49 posted on 02/19/2003 2:19:18 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: desertcry
the SINGULARITY

The only way avoid a solution of zero is to have a singularity inside the contour. Cauchy's formula.

50 posted on 02/19/2003 2:22:45 PM PST by RightWhale
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