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Illegal Aliens Eligible for Social Security Benefits
Fox ^ | 2/19/03 | Matt Hayes

Posted on 02/19/2003 8:55:02 PM PST by hoosierskypilot

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:35:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: B4Ranch
>>What is so difficult about considering a third party that won't turn America into a socialist slave of the United Nations? That is where the Dems and Reps are leading us.<<

Both the Clinton and now the Bush administrations have been leading our nation into a pure hell for the majority. They both support a most extreme form of free trade theory and social policies, which includes swelling our nation with the world's poor so we will be forced to work for cheap--the sole purpose is to enrich the US's top capital holders.

And it's going to get worse--unless the American people start to roll uptheir sleeves and take to the streets.
51 posted on 12/03/2003 8:56:53 PM PST by Risa
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To: B4Ranch
YOu know, I'd agree with your assessment about Clinton-Clinton is reported to have his eye on Koffi Anan's job, and he'd love to be king of the gobalized world--in fact, CLitnon pushed heavily for foot-loose capital, NAFTA, and the China partnership, and he publicly vilified labor for opposing NAFTA--he was a sleezy crook. George BUsh on the other hand seems not willing to concened any control to the UN--he serves solely his wealthy corporate backers--picked up the Clinton ball and expanded Clinton policies--George will go for the bilateral treaties--he and Cheney have their hopes for a western-hemisphere wide energy business--

What I detest about George Bush is that he uses 'surrogates' to carry out the policies he knows the people will protest, so he can manintain his electoral standing--and he keeps silent, so everyone will be confused and thinking up conspiracy theories. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine the reality that is George Bush is what we would get when he ran on a Republican platform. However, Gore would have been just as bad.
52 posted on 12/03/2003 9:44:48 PM PST by Risa
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I'm not understanding the point you are trying to make with your bolding in post 48. Bobvjerg disputes the SSA's estimates of cost and benefits because they don't take into account illegal immigrants. Clearly she believes that illegal immigrants must be included in the analysis.

I think the main points of the discussion are all internally consistent: 1) Bobvjerg criticizes the SSA estimate. 2) Barnhart states that under current law anyone receiving SS benefits must be a legal resident of the country being lived in at the time the benefits are paid. 3)The reporter summarizes lawmakers and witnesses as pointing out that under the law illegals working in the U.S. and then returning to Mexico are not excluded since they would be legally living in Mexico at the time benefits are received. (Note they are not claiming illegals living in the United States would receive benefits.)

If there is a source somewhere that documents that this agreement is definitely limited only to legal Mexican immigrants, I would consider it. FWIW, I don't buy the notion that there is a secret plan for this to be a big campaign surprise, but I think there is probably a problem here.

53 posted on 12/03/2003 9:45:05 PM PST by AzJohn
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To: B4Ranch
>>George BUsh on the other hand seems not willing to >concened< any control to the UN--<<

I meant to write 'concede' control.

I could be wrong about George Bush's intentions with respect to the UN; it just seems like he's not as world-wide-oriented as Clinton was. He's western-hemisphere oriented.

ALl the peasants are uprising though. They've had enough of the IMF, the World bank and the Washington consensus form of economics. I don't blame them at all.
54 posted on 12/03/2003 9:50:09 PM PST by Risa
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To: AzJohn
The claim you questioned, was about my statement of nearly ten months ago.

In that statement, I pointed out something I knew from reading the news reports at that time.

I don't haver the links to the story, but you are free to do some reserach and prove me wrong.

The very fact that the GAO points out that the cost of paying benefits to illegal immigrants is not factored in by the administration, proves that it has no plans to pay that money out.
55 posted on 12/03/2003 10:15:46 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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56 posted on 12/03/2003 10:18:24 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: hoosierskypilot
Conservative compassion, must mean it's doled out very stingily, American citizens don't qualify for it.
57 posted on 12/03/2003 10:19:30 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The claim you questioned, was about my statement of nearly ten months ago.

My mistake. I missed the date on your original post or somehow misread it. I was thinking yours was a recent post. It's quite possible we are talking apples and oranges here if the agreement has been under discussion all this time.

58 posted on 12/03/2003 10:33:25 PM PST by AzJohn
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