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Muslim council takes complaints to Bush (Grover Norquist Alert)
Washington Times ^ | February 21, 2003 | Ralph Z. Hallow

Posted on 02/21/2003 8:47:13 AM PST by Sabertooth

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:39:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Muslim council posted this call for action on its Internet site, together with praise for Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, who has worked with Islamic groups in behalf of the Republican Party (see below - ST).


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I don't see any racism in Gaffney's comments. I've listened to him once a week for two years on the Hugh Hewitt show. For those unfamiliar with him, he is a solid and measured analyst of foreign affairs.


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1 posted on 02/21/2003 8:47:14 AM PST by Sabertooth
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2 posted on 02/21/2003 8:48:17 AM PST by Sabertooth
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3 posted on 02/21/2003 8:49:06 AM PST by Sabertooth
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For those unfamiliar with him, he is a solid and measured analyst of foreign affairs.

Except he went medieval on two guys without offering rock-solid evidence in support of it.

Of course, I'm one of the politically-incorrect sorts who'd merely challenge Mr. Gaffney to put up, shut up, or name a second for the duel. I wouldn't have complained to Grover Norquist; I'd either speak for myself or retain the services of Pietro Beretta & Sons...

4 posted on 02/21/2003 8:55:20 AM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Sabertooth
He sounds like one of the good guys to me....this Frank Gaffney guy, I mean...not grover "nor-am-I-quite-so-bright"!!
5 posted on 02/21/2003 8:59:41 AM PST by crazykatz
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I don't see any accusation of treason in Gaffney's reported remarks.
6 posted on 02/21/2003 9:04:19 AM PST by aristeides
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Only a lawyer, trained in the lawyerly art of weaseling their way past the clear text of the US Constitution, would say that.
7 posted on 02/21/2003 9:05:47 AM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Sabertooth
Islamist 'enabler' threatens 'grave harm to Bush presidency,' Gaffney warns

A prominent conservative leader who allegedly has used undeclared foreign money and top political connections to promote terrorist sympathizers is an 'enabler' who threatens 'to do grave harm to the Bush presidency.'

Center for Security Policy President Frank Gaffney issued the warning in a letter to Grover Norquist, founding chairman of the Islamic Institute, after Norquist publicly accused Gaffney of 'racism and bigotry' and banished him from a weekly strategy group. Norquist's actions came in response to Gaffney's criticism of a White House official who allowed pro-terrorist Muslim groups access to the White House complex on January 16.

'People who afford terrorist-supporters or -apologists and their organizations entree into the White House deserve to be both challenged and criticized,' Gaffney wrote in response. Norquist, an anti-tax activist and Washington networker who often purports to speak in the name of President Bush, told Gaffney in a widely distributed letter that the Center for Security Policy leader was guilty of 'racial prejudice, religous bigotry or ethnic hatred' because the criticized official is a Muslim.

In response, Gaffney and American Conservative Union leader David Keene slammed Norquist for 'employing "Stalinist tactics" against those who disagree with Mr. Norquist's role in brokering access to the Bush White House,' the Washington Times reported on February 7.

Norquist has been criticized for promoting what is called the Wahhabi lobby, a Saudi-funded network designed to dominate and radicalize Islam in America, at the expense of other Muslim groups whose stand against terrorism is unequivocal.

'Why have you gone to such lengths to defend - to say nothing of legitimize and advance the agendas of - terrorist sympathizers and others hostile to everything for which American conservatives stand?' Gaffney asked Norquist in a responding letter. Gaffney listed his concerns:

* The Islamic Institute, which Norquist co-founded and houses in his Americans for Tax Reform office, received seed money from an avowed supporter of Hezbollah, the terrorist group that killed 241 US Marines in a 1983 suicide bomb attack.

* The Islamic Institute reportedly is 'predominantly funded by foreign governments, shady Saudi sources, and US-based groups raided by the Treasury Department-led Operation Green Quest Task Force for allegedly funding suicide bombers, al Qaeda and other terrorists' activities.'

* Norquist led conservative opposition to parts of the Bush administration's anti-terrorism legislation, without disclosing that his Islamic group was dependent on such funds.

* Norquist has affiliated himself with the radical National Committee to Protect Political Freedom (NCPPF), from which he received an award shortly before the September 11, 2001 attacks, despite the group's thirty-year public track record of promoting domestic and international terrorism.

* Norquist reportedly introduced Sami Al-Arian, whom federal law enforcement officials say is a leader of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, to then-candidate George W. Bush during the 2000 campaign. Televised videotape shows Al-Arian raising money in the US for terrorists.

Click here for the full text of Gaffney's letter.

One American Muslim group has warned for years about extremist and terrorist penetration of Islamic organizations in the US. Click here for its reports.
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/index.jsp?section=today&headline_id=149
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If President Reagan thought enough to of nominated Frank Gaffney when he was President, then that trumps Norquist any day in my book.
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In April 1987, Mr. Gaffney was nominated by President Reagan to become the Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy, the senior position in the Defense Department with responsibility for policies involving nuclear forces, arms control and U.S.-European defense relations. He acted in that capacity for seven months during which time, he was the Chairman of the prestigious High Level Group, NATO's senior politico-military committee. He also represented the Secretary of Defense in key U.S.-Soviet negotiations and ministerial meetings.


8 posted on 02/21/2003 9:08:54 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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Thanks for the ping....
9 posted on 02/21/2003 9:10:24 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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10 posted on 02/21/2003 9:21:10 AM PST by SAMWolf (To look into the eyes of the wolf is to see your soul)
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24738
11 posted on 02/21/2003 9:28:20 AM PST by Scholastic
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12 posted on 02/21/2003 9:29:12 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye SADdam. You're soon to meet your buddy Stalin in Hades.)
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Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform and Shari'a Law
13 posted on 02/21/2003 9:30:26 AM PST by xm177e2 (smile) :-)
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BTTT
14 posted on 02/21/2003 9:30:56 AM PST by Siobhan ( Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet )
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If Norquist had anything to do with Sami Al-Arian, he deserves to be condemned. Al-Arian's been on the FBI's radar for at least seven years.

Grover seems a bit naive, to me. I heard him on John Gibson's show a couple of weeks ago and he was overly defensive about his relationships with certain Muslim groups.

We now know from the Al-Arian episode that one must always maintain a certain reserve with these folks.

15 posted on 02/21/2003 9:39:10 AM PST by sinkspur
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Except he went medieval on two guys without offering rock-solid evidence in support of it.

Medieval?

Here is the Muslim Public Affairs Council's excerpt of Gaffney's CPAC comments. Presumably, these would be the most damning.

Frank Gaffney's Comments During Question and Answer Period at CPAP Conference:

"... I'm sure quite unintentionally the president of the United States has repeatedly been put in the position of seeming to embrace the Wahabbists who are trying to dominate this religion (Islam) in our own country.... I received a press release the other day from an organization that is one of the leading Wahhabist sympathizers and, I believe, (Wahabist) funded organizations in this country called the American Muslim Council. It is an organization whose radical anti-American screeds have been much in evidence for many years... (T)his same organization recently crowed that their executive director, a black Muslim radical, was invited to the White House for a session to hector the administration about this rounding up of their co-religionists.... (I)n this press release they credited one (name withheld) for having gotten them into the White House. It turns out that (X's) father is one (X), the treasurer of the Islamic Delwah (sic) Center, a prominent Wahhabi mosque in Houston. But the reason he was able to influence whether (AMC Executive Director) Eric Vickers and the AMC were present at this White House meeting was because he is also, I believe, the associate director for cabinet affairs in the Bush White House responsible, if you can believe it, for the state department, the defense department and the justice department. This is not how we win the hearts and minds of peace-loving, pro-American Muslims, it is a perilous path and I hope that it will be corrected."

Here's an excerpt from Gaffney's open letter to Norquist:

In an open letter to Grover Norquist on February 7th, Frank Gaffney wrote that “…[I]t appears that the leaders of Wahhabi-associated or -supported organizations have parlayed the access they enjoy with senior Administration and congressional figures towards another undesirable end: to validate and publicize their false claim to be the sole legitimate representatives of the American Muslim community. This purpose has been served both by ensuring, until very recently, that essentially no one but Wahhabi-approved individuals were included in Muslim ‘outreach’ meetings with the President, his Cabinet officers and other, senior subordinates and that Muslims who shun all forms of terrorism were long excluded from such meetings. …The Islamic Institute, and you personally, have for several years played an instrumental role in promoting and facilitating the Wahhabis' access to the executive and legislative branches of the U.S. government.”

“At least one former senior staffer emerging from the Bush White House and numerous commentators have said that policy in this White House is driven by politics to an unprecedented degree, and that this may be the most political White House ever. In this light, it’s particularly disturbing to read reports that Grover Norquist might be using his influence and his top-level White House connections to bring those with terrorist associations into the Bush White House, and to represent them as the legitimate and sole representatives of the US Muslim community,” said National Jewish Democratic Council Executive Director Ira N. Forman. “The war on terrorism is of paramount importance in America today, and it cannot be compromised by politics or the need to help ideological bedfellows. Any person with terrorist ties should obviously not be ushered into the White House and legitimized in this way.

“Americans on September 11th were faced with an historic wake-up call. President Bush himself has said that the stakes in this war on terrorism are huge, and he is right. But the president cannot unite the country behind a war effort while permitting political consideration to compromise it. Political friendships and alliances cannot be permitted to divert us from the war against terrorism, and they must of course not permit individuals with terrorist ties from gaining access to the Bush White House.”
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Are these unfair issues to raise? Is it medieval to do so?

Among Norquist's responses:

In an interview with NewsMax.com, Norquist said he wrote his letter because the two young White House Muslims whom Gaffney criticized were merely underlings carrying out decisions made by more senior White House officials.

“He decided to single out the kid who was a Muslim in both cases, even though the people making decisions are Presbyterians and Catholics, not Muslims,” the ATR president said.
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The point over how much the two Moslem White House aides had to do with the decision to allow terroist sympathizers access to the Bush Administration is a niggling one. It begs the questions of why such access was allowed, and at whose ultimate instigation.

Norquist is in Clintonian attack mode, and is using the race-baiting charge to deflect attention from the real issue:

Grover Norquist is culpable in allowing the highest level White House access to radical Islamists, like those mentioned in Gaffney's article of February 18th:

Frank J. Gaffney, Jr.

February 18, 2003

Who's with President Bush?

President Bush has characterized the choice to be made in this war on terror: "Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists." The stark clarity of this binary decision has served the United States well in marshaling a large number of nations in the fight against al Qaeda and a smaller, but still ample, number for the next phase of this war: the liberation of Iraq.

Regrettably, in the months since September 11, 2001, people who have made no secret of their sympathy for terrorists, provided them financial support, excused their murderous attacks and/or sought to impede the prosecution of the war against them have repeatedly been put in the company of the President. In other words, individuals and organizations who appear to be "with the terrorists" have time and again been allowed to be with the President in the White House and elsewhere.

For example:


  • On September 20, 2001 -- just nine days after the deadly attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon -- Shaykh Hamza Yusuf was the Muslim representative in a small ecumenical gathering held in the Oval Office. At the same time, FBI agents were trying to interview him at his house in California since he had declared two days before the attack: "This country is facing a terrible fate....This country stands condemned. It stands condemned like Europe stood condemned because of what it did -- and lest people forget that Europe suffered two world wars after conquering the Muslim lands." His wife told the incredulous agents Yusuf wasn't home, he was with the President.



  • Six days later, President Bush met in the Roosevelt Room with a Muslim imam by the name of Muzammil H. Siddiqi. Siddiqi is a long-time board member of several organizations in the United States funded by, and closely tied to, Saudi Arabia's radical state religion known as Wahhabism. Two of these groups, including one where Siddiqi still sits on the board, were raided in March 2002 by Federal authorities in pursuit of terrorist financing.

    This presidential meeting was all the more puzzling since the imam had shown his true colors by claiming, at a rally the previous October: "America has to learn...If you remain on the side of injustice, the wrath of God will come. Please, all Americans. Do you remember that? Allah is watching everyone. God is watching everyone. If you continue doing injustice, and tolerate injustice, the wrath of God will come."



  • On September 17, 2001, President Bush paid a visit to the mosque in Washington. There he was photographed flanked by Nihad Awad, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). CAIR has long been an admirer and public defender of terrorist organizations whose attacks against even innocent women and children it sees as legitimate acts of "liberation." Awad has personally declared, "I am a supporter of the Hamas movement."

  • Also in the picture with President Bush at the mosque was Khaled Saffuri, currently chairman of an organization called the Islamic Institute, which he co-founded with conservative activist Grover Norquist. Saffuri previously served as the development director of the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, a supporter of the Palestine Liberation Organization when it made no bones about using terrorism for political purposes. He went on to become deputy director of the radical American Muslim Council (AMC), under then-director Abduraman Alamoudi -- a publicly declared supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah, whose statements of solidarity with these groups prompted the Bush 2000 campaign to return his contributions.



    Under Saffuri's leadership, the Islamic Institute has attacked the Bush Administration's investigations of radical Muslim groups and closures of organizations suspected of funding terrorists. The Institute has been funded by groups raided in the above-mentioned terrorist financing investigations. It lobbied intensively against portions of the USA Patriot Act. And Saffuri has personally denounced the President's listing of the Holy Land Foundation as a charity that supported terrorist organizations. He has acknowledged sponsoring the children of suicide bombers through the Foundation, even after its closure by the government.

In addition to the President, a number of his senior subordinates -- including Cabinet officers -- have met, in some cases more than once, with members of the aforementioned and other organizations with troubling attitudes towards jihadist terrorists. A particularly bizarre instance was FBI Director Robert Mueller’s keynote address last year to the American Muslim Council.

The AMC has a long record of activities hostile to the Bush Administration’s prosecution of the war on terror. It has even urged Muslims not to cooperate with the FBI! Nonetheless, according to a press release dated last Thursday, Mr. Mueller has invited the AMC’s chairman, Dr. Yahya Mossa Basha, to attend an upcoming meeting with him and "leaders of major Muslim and Arab-American organizations."

It is very much in the President's interest -- and the Nation's -- that moderate, law-abiding, peace-loving and patriotic American Muslims be embraced and empowered by the Bush Administration and all those who support it in waging a war on terror, not on Islam. To do so, however, the Administration must not allow those who are "with" its enemies in that struggle to continue being with the President and his team.

Frank J. Gaffney, Jr., is President of the Center for Security Policy, a TownHall.com member organization.

©2003 Center for Security Policy

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More on Grover Norquist's friend, Khaled Saffuri:

Bush Challenges Terrorist Fronts


Posted April 29, 2002


Saffuri attended a closed luncheon with the treasury secretary to discuss the raids.
Media Credit: Roger Wollenberg/INSIGHT
Saffuri attended a closed luncheon with the treasury secretary to discuss the raids.
Federal agents raided more than a dozen homes and an Islamic institute in suburban Washington on March 20 as part of a continued sweep of organizations suspected of funding international terrorism. The raids were carried out by the U.S. Customs Service as part of the Treasury Department's "Operation Green Quest" to dry up terrorist finances. They targeted Muslim charitable foundations linked to extremist groups in the Middle East that financed political-influence operations in the nation's capital. Officials tell Insight some $1.7 billion was funneled through those organizations in recent years.

Instead of helping the FBI, Customs Service and other federal investigators, prominent Muslim groups — including one with close ties to the Republican Party — have protested the raids and accused the feds of insensitivity. They also have been putting the squeeze on the Bush administration to back off.

On April 4, according to an Islamic Institute bulletin, "Islamic Institute Chairman Khaled Saffuri and leaders of three Muslim and Arab-American groups attended a closed luncheon meeting … with Secretary of the Treasury Paul O'Neill to discuss the recent raids of Muslim organizations, businesses and homes in Northern Virginia."

The bulletin continued: "The meeting was constructive, and the leaders expressed their concerns to Secretary O'Neill regarding the insensitive actions of Treasury agents during the raids against the Muslim-American organizations, and concerns of the community that civil-rights violations occurred. Secretary O'Neill promised that these concerns would be investigated."

The day before, the Islamic Institute met with Justice Department officials to, in its own words, "seek clarification of offensive statements about Islam recently attributed to Attorney General John Ashcroft."

Following the meeting, Islamic Institute Executive Director Abdulwahab Alkebsi said, "The Muslim-American community perceives that it is targeted for abuse right now, and the perception in the community when they hear statements like those attributed to the attorney general is that they are true. Positive confidence-building measures by the Department of Justice are needed to clarify that the community is not a target. Muslim Americans are ready to help their country in the war on terror, but they must be treated as part of the solution, not part of the problem."

That's all well and good, counterterrorism experts say, but such groups complaining about "insensitive actions" and "positive confidence-building measures" have been slow to offer help as citizens in the ongoing counterterrorism investigations. While the Islamic Institute belatedly urged speakers of Arabic, Farsi and other languages to help the FBI as translators, it never publicly called for its friends to support federal antiterrorism investigations with information. Instead, such groups have been more concerned with promoting their victim status.

Yet not all Muslim groups agree with Saffuri's attempt to cast U.S. Muslims as victims. Some urge cooperation with federal law-enforcement authorities. Ironically, they believe that instead of being courted they have been frozen out of dialogue with the Bush administration. "We are concerned that some government staffers may be undermining the best interests of our president and his administration — either wittingly or not," says Dr. Hedieh Mirahmadi of the Islamic Supreme Council of America. "It is no secret that our organization has repeatedly been excluded from White House, State Department and attorney general events with the Muslim community."

For Mirahmadi and others, there's no room for impeding domestic antiterrorism investigations. "It is our patriotic duty as Americans and our duty as Muslims to speak up against any attempt by extremists to mobilize the Muslim community against our country," she says.

Longtime observers of terrorist support groups liken today's situation to the 1980s FBI investigations of U.S.-based groups, such as the Committee in Solidarity with the People of El Salvador (CISPES), that raised money and served as propaganda organs for Marxist-Leninist guerrilla forces in Latin America.

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More than 15 years later, the Muslim charities raided in Northern Virginia, and related campaigns in many U.S. mosques, are seen as CISPES equivalents on behalf of Hamas and Hezbollah, which the State Department classifies as terrorist organizations. The outcry against FBI and Customs investigations and raids is the same as that of the FMLN supporters.

Even some of the characters are the same. Ratner and the Center for Constitutional Rights again are litigating and making public statements on behalf of terrorists and terrorist support groups. Conyers again is using his House Judiciary Committee post as a bully pulpit against the FBI.

Most recently Conyers was a plaintiff with Michigan media outlets in a lawsuit against the Justice Department to force the government to identify alleged terrorist detainees rounded up since Sept. 11 and to reveal the sensitive information federal authorities had against them. In April, a federal judge ruled in favor of the plaintiffs. Conyers' client, the evidence showed, was tied to a terrorist organization in the al-Qaeda network.

No one is alleging an al-Qaeda link with the groups raided in Northern Virginia, which seem devoted only to support for Hamas and Hezbollah. But the tactics of the "Muslim community" leaders mirror those of the CISPES network: deny the allegations, claim victim status, seek political refuge with prominent politicians and intimidate federal investigators into backing off.

Not all American Muslims are buying it. "Rather than becoming beacons for America's ideals by showing a willingness to submit to questioning by federal law enforcement instead of grandstanding about racial profiling, we are hiding behind the guarantees afforded to us by the very Constitution the terrorists sought to dismantle on Sept. 11," Pakistani-American businessman Mansour Ijaz wrote recently in the Washington Post. "Our anger demonstrates an inability to put citizenship before religious and ethnic allegiances and U.S. national-security interests before dubious claims of civil-rights violations."

After all, shutting off terrorist financing through nonprofits, whether the charities know whom they are funding or not, "is a paramount objective in America's war on terrorism," Ijaz noted. "The repeated denials by Muslim nonprofits about foreign sources of funding to operate their diverse and often dubious agendas are no longer enough. Neither are simplistic claims they fund legitimate causes abroad when the U.S. government — which they increasingly lobby and help to elect — has clear evidence to the contrary. If these groups want to lead America's Arabs and Muslims, they must lead first by setting an example for transparency and scrutiny."

That means, Ijaz wrote, that "America's Arabs and Muslims bear a special responsibility at this moment not to play the role of aggrieved victims. Rather, we should offer ourselves as resources to federal law-enforcement agencies interested in learning more about the complexities of our religious and ethnic roots; we should police our communities for sleeper agents; and we should stop the flow of foreign money — and its corrosive influence — into our political and religious nonprofit organizations."




Congressman Was Warned of Lobbyist's Suicide-Bomber Link

A December 2001 congressional staff memorandum to a Republican member of the House of Representatives warns of a lobbyist's financial support for a group raided by U.S. authorities for allegedly funding suicide bombers. The identities in the document are redacted, but senior federal law-enforcement officials confirmed its contents. Excerpts follow:

"Yesterday [a Muslim lobbyist] came into the office and I held a brief conversation with him. The conversation was so disturbing that it is only right that I bring it to your full attention. …

"[The lobbyist] told me that he is quite upset with the president for freezing the assets of the Holy Land Fund [sic], which Mr. [George W.] Bush had just done a few days before due to the fact that the money raised here in the United States helps support terrorist groups. Upon further discussion, [the lobbyist] told me that he is a financial supporter of this fund — the fund whose assets were frozen by the president. I asked him what the fund does, specifically, and [the lobbyist] told me that it supports the families — orphans, widows — of suicide bombers.

"In fact, [the lobbyist] went on to tell me, he even sponsors an orphaned child of a suicide bomber. He receives pictures and reports on this child's progress, thanks to the money [he] sends. He said he sees nothing wrong with his support of these people, that he's helping a child who has no father, etc.

"In light of the information relayed to me by [the lobbyist], I strongly recommend that this office sever all ties with [him]. My reasons are as follows:

"1. Even if under the best circumstances that [lobbyist] is innocently financing the group for the sole benefit of helping a fatherless child, he is still giving money to an organization that makes it possible for suicide bombers to carry out their missions. That is why President Bush froze their assets. The president was right to do so.

"2. In the wake of the September 11 attacks, it is imperative that you, as a member of Congress, receive your information about the Middle East and the Arab world from a source whom we can be sure has the best interests of the United States at heart. I do not believe this is the case with [the lobbyist]. I believe that his loyalties are elsewhere.

"I know [the lobbyist] is your friend and that you think highly of him. I believe that as your friend, if he is a true friend, he will understand the reason that you would not want to receive further counsel from him in light of his financial support for this organization."

Postscript: The congressman maintains his relations with the lobbyist. The staffer has since quit.

J. Michael Waller is a senior writer for Insight.

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Who do you suppose wrangled that meeting for Khaled Saffuri, colleague of Grover Norquist and a supporter of suicide bombers, with the Secretary of the Treasury? Was it Grover Norquist? Are these not pertinent questions?






16 posted on 02/21/2003 9:48:41 AM PST by Sabertooth
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Grover Norquist has been a great defender of taxpayers and a solid conservative strategist for many years. he has written columns in American Spectator and has organized for tax relief and tax cut proposals and referenda. His group has pushed "tax pledges" tat helped win many races for the GOP - think Va.'s Governor race in 1998 (Gilmore) and many others.

He is a true conservative.

I cannot speak to these allegations specifically.
If he did get connected with an extremist group,
he made a big mistake.

But let's not confuse links to Muslims with links to extremists. it surely seems to me the Cheney view - of *not* wanting to engage in broad-brush prejudice, accusing muslims of being extremists, when we *know* that is not true - is far superior approach than jumping on a White House aide due to suspect family ties. And they should certainly not take the dirty laundry out in public.


JMHO.
17 posted on 02/21/2003 9:52:55 AM PST by WOSG
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To: Sabertooth
That's not a "niggling" issue. That's what started the whole mess.

Had Gaffney made similar allegations against me, with comparable evidence to support it, I would have demanded a public retraction. The staffers did so--and Mr. Gaffney told them to go take an airborne fornication at a rolling doughnut.

That, apparently, pissed off Mr. Norquist.
18 posted on 02/21/2003 9:59:07 AM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Sabertooth
Some more background on this...

GROVER NORQUIST'S STRANGE ALLIANCE WITH RADICAL ISLAM

Fevered Pitch - by Franklin Foer - Post date 11.01.01 | Issue date 11.12.01 - TNR

"On the afternoon of September 26, George W. Bush gathered 15 prominent Muslim- and Arab-Americans at the White House. With cameras rolling, the president proclaimed that "the teachings of Islam are teachings of peace and good." It was a critically important moment, a statement to the world that America's Muslim leaders unambiguously reject the terror committed in Islam's name.

Unfortunately, many of the leaders present hadn't unambiguously rejected it. To the president's left sat Dr. Yahya Basha, president of the American Muslim Council, an organization whose leaders have repeatedly called Hamas "freedom fighters." Also in attendance was Salam Al-Marayati, executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, who on the afternoon of September 11 told a Los Angeles public radio audience that "we should put the State of Israel on the suspect list." And sitting right next to President Bush was Muzammil Siddiqi, president of the Islamic Society of North America, who last fall told a Washington crowd chanting pro-Hezbollah slogans, "America has to learn if you remain on the side of injustice, the wrath of God will come." Days later, after a conservative activist confronted Karl Rove with dossiers about some of Bush's new friends, Rove replied, according to the activist, "I wish I had known before the event took place."

If the administration was caught unaware, it may be because they placed their trust in one of the right's most influential activists: Grover Norquist. As president of Americans for Tax Reform, Norquist is best known for his tireless crusades against big government. But one of Norquist's lesser-known projects over the last few years has been bringing American Muslims into the Republican Party. And, as he usually does, Norquist has succeeded. According to several sources, Norquist helped orchestrate various post-September 11 events that brought together Muslim leaders and administration officials. "He worked with Muslim leaders to engineer [Bush]'s prominent visit to the Mosque," says the Arab-American pollster John Zogby, referring to the president's September 17 trip to the Islamic Center of Washington. Says Zogby, who counts Norquist among his clients, "Absolutely, he's central to the White House outreach." Indeed, when Jewish activists and terrorism experts complained about the Muslim invitees to Adam Goldman, who works in the White House public liaison's office, Goldman replied that Norquist had vouched for them. (Goldman denies this, but two separate sources say they heard him say it.) "Just like [administration officials] ask my advice on inviting religious figures to the White House," says Paul Weyrich, another top conservative activist, "they rely on Grover's help [with Muslims]."

Norquist denies being involved in "micromanaging the specifics" of White House meetings, but admits "I have been a long time advocate of outreach to the Muslim community." In fact, the record suggests that he has spent quite a lot of time promoting people openly sympathetic to Islamist terrorists. And it's starting to cause him problems. Weyrich, echoing other movement conservatives, says he is "not pleased" with Norquist's activity. According to one intelligence official who recently left the government, a number of counterterrorism agents at the FBI and CIA are "pissed as hell about the situation [in the White House] and pissed as hell about Grover." They should be. While nobody suggests that Norquist himself is soft on terrorism, his lobbying has helped provide radical Islamic groups--and their causes--a degree of legitimacy and access they assuredly do not deserve."

(Con't at link....)

19 posted on 02/21/2003 10:06:12 AM PST by veronica
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To: Poohbah
That's not a "niggling" issue. That's what started the whole mess.

Had Gaffney made similar allegations against me, with comparable evidence to support it, I would have demanded a public retraction. The staffers did so--and Mr. Gaffney told them to go take an airborne fornication at a rolling doughnut.

That, apparently, pissed off Mr. Norquist.

No, what started this mess is the indefensible access Grover Norquist has provided to candidate and President Bush on the behalf terrorist sympathizers, supporters, and possibly co-conspirators, for years.

What's pissing off Norquist is that Gaffney is publicly calling him on it.

Notice that Norquist attacks the messenger and never addresses the heart of the charge, a sure indication that it's on the mark.




20 posted on 02/21/2003 10:06:13 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: justshe; Mo1; Howlin; ohioWfan; A Citizen Reporter
FYI: another opportunity, with plenty of sourced information, to discuss the substance of the charges that Grover Norquist has provided radical, terroist sympathizing Islamists with access to President Bush.



21 posted on 02/21/2003 10:10:55 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth; hellinahandcart; KLT; countrydummy; ned13
Screw Grover Norquist. I saw him at CPAC this year. He got all dewey eyed over the "we're all immigrants" issue.

Friggin' Neo-con.

22 posted on 02/21/2003 10:22:39 AM PST by sauropod (It's OK to drive an SUV if it helps you get babes.....)
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To: sauropod
Yeah, that was one panel discussion that got really testy.
23 posted on 02/21/2003 10:31:56 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: sauropod
Gaffney is also a neocon. He simply hasn't been co-opted (and paid for) by Islamists.
24 posted on 02/21/2003 10:53:12 AM PST by rmlew
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To: Sabertooth
Norquest doesn't deny it because he can't.
25 posted on 02/21/2003 11:01:26 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: TLBSHOW; Sabertooth
As if thed Al Arian connection is not enough to destroy Norquist this fact should have long ago:
Norquist has affiliated himself with the radical National Committee to Protect Political Freedom (NCPPF)

I.e. the national lawyers guild, a Communist front group.

Norquist is not just a neo-con, he's a mole.

26 posted on 02/21/2003 11:09:47 AM PST by flamefront
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To: Poohbah
Care to point out where, in Gaffney's words as quoted at the head of this thread, he said anything that anyone, lawyer or not, could construe as a charge of treason?
27 posted on 02/21/2003 12:09:24 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Poohbah; hchutch; mhking; sinkspur; dennisw; rdb3; veronica; RonDog; Victoria Delsoul; ...
More details:

In a letter sent yesterday to Mr. Gaffney, Mr. Norquist accused him of impugning the loyalty of Ali Tulbah, an American Muslim and an associate director of Cabinet affairs in the White House.

"There is no place in the conservative movement for racial prejudice, religious bigotry or ethnic hatred," Mr. Norquist wrote. "This is the second time that a Muslim working for President George W. Bush has been subjected to an attack by you because of his faith. You have made similarly dishonest allegations against [public liaison official] Suhail Khan while he worked inside the White House."
Washington Times LINK - February 6th, 2003

The AMC press release made a point of commending Ali Tulbah, an associate director of the White House's Office of Cabinet Affairs, for including their representatives (notably, executive director Eric Erfan Vickers) in the meeting. Mr. Tulbah similarly admitted another highly controversial organization, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), in this meeting. There appear to have been at least nine other meetings that these groups have attended with the White House and senior administration officials since September 2001, some at the invitation of a predecessor of Mr. Tulbah in the role of gatekeeper for the administration's Muslim "outreach" efforts, Suhail Khan.
Frank Gaffney Column LINK - February 11th, 2003

AMC Attends White House Briefing on Controversial INS Policy

WASHINGTON, DC, Jan. 17, 2003:
Yesterday AMC Executive Director Eric Erfan Vickers and Board Secretary Dr. Nedzib Sacirbey attended, along with other Muslim and Arab American leaders, a White House briefing on the controversial INS policy that has caused to many tremendous personal hardships, and which has created mounting consternation in the Muslim and Arab American community.

The briefing was arranged by Ali H. Tulbah, the Associate Director of Cabinet Affairs, and AMC commends him for initiating this substantive dialogue with key officials in the White House Administration.
American Muslim Council LINK

So, doesn't the American Muslim Council press release specifically confirm Gaffney's allegations about Ali H. Tulbah?

As for Suhail Khan...

One day after Bush's inauguration, (Norquist) and Saffuri arranged for Muslim leaders to meet Newt Gingrich and Congressman Tom Davis, head of the National Republican Congressional Committee. Soon Saffuri began regularly appearing at the White House, accompanying imams and heads of Islamic organizations to discuss the faith-based initiative and concerns about law enforcement persecution of Muslims. Suhail Khan, an administration adviser who helps plan Muslim outreach, once served on the Islamic Institute's board. And at one of his regular Wednesday meetings, according to two witnesses, Norquist announced that he had lobbied to get Khan his White House post.
New Republic LINK

Why are Muslim and Arab "civil rights" groups the only ones protesting new FBI rules to fight terrorism?

Why aren't mainstream Christian and Jewish groups protesting the new guidelines handed down by Attorney General John Ashcroft and his Justice Department? Or Hispanic groups?

Maybe because Muslim, mostly Arab, terrorists — including at least two 9/11 hijackers — deliberately used U.S. mosques to fundraise for and plan terrorist attacks. Maybe because they knew that, under the old rules, it had been difficult for FBI counterterrorism operatives to surveil terrorists once they stepped into the mosques. And they, the terrorists — and many Muslim allies in the U.S. — took advantage of this.

The old rules were used by a blind cleric, a professor, and even the mosque founded and headed by the father of a Bush administration official, to fund and/or plan terror, undetected.

Take the Santa Clara Masjid (Mosque). According to the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, and London-based Arabic newspaper Al-Hayat, Osama bin Laden's deputy (or boss, depending upon the intelligence report), Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, visited the United States in early 1995 using a forged passport, and raised money for terrorist operations at various U.S. mosques, including the Santa Clara Mosque, a.k.a. Masjid Al-Noor, a.k.a. MCA (Muslim Community Association) of Santa Clara.

The late Mahboob Khan is identified by a 1999 "MCA Newsletter" as the man "whose constant efforts and guidance. . . establish[ed] the Islamic Center" of Santa Clara. A 1999 Islamic Horizons magazine obituary for Mahboob Khan quotes a former secretary general of the Islamic Society of North America as saying that Dr. Khan "was in the forefront in the struggle" of "the Santa Clara mosque." This includes the time period when Zawahiri was staying in Santa Clara and raising money at Khan's mosque.

Khan was the founder of American Muslims for Global Peace and Justice, the group spearheading the boycott of Starbucks in the United States. Incredibly, Khan's son, Suhail Khan, was the Bush White House's Muslim outreach official last year. He is also a current and founding board member of the Islamic Institute, which openly opposes the new FBI rules, lodging protests with Ashcroft.
Schlussel Column LINK - July 10th, 2002

So Suhail Khan's father helped Ayman Al Zawahiri (who helped mastermind 9/11, the Cole bombing, the American Embassy bopmbings in Kenya and Uganda, the Luxor Temple massacre of dozens of European tourists, and the assassination of Anwar Sadat), secretly raise money in the United States for terrorist enterprises while on the FBI's watch list? This is who Grover Norquist aligns himself with as a founding board member of Norquist's Islamic Institute? This is who Gover Norquist recommends for a job as the Bush Administration's Muslim outreach official?

Is it such a stretch that Suhail Khan, who sat on the board of the Norquist and Khaled Saffuri's Islamic Institute, and got his White House position as a result of the lobbying of Grover Norquist, arranged meetings for other like-minded radical Islamists with members of the Bush Administration?



28 posted on 02/21/2003 12:13:41 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: flamefront
bttt
29 posted on 02/21/2003 12:21:49 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: sinkspur
Grover seems a bit naive, to me. I heard him on John Gibson's show a couple of weeks ago and he was overly defensive about his relationships with certain Muslim groups.


bttt

30 posted on 02/21/2003 12:24:40 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Sabertooth; Poohbah
I recall someone else pointing out Debbie Schlussel's had some credibility issues with past columns...

And the best we have is the guy's father was running the mosque - nothing about the aide in question.

It's real thin.
31 posted on 02/21/2003 12:28:53 PM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: Sabertooth
The evidence suggests Norquist appears to playing the part of "useful tool" rather well.
32 posted on 02/21/2003 12:30:53 PM PST by F16Fighter (Democrats -- The 'Hate America First' Party)
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To: hchutch
I recall someone else pointing out Debbie Schlussel's had some credibility issues with past columns...

And the best we have is the guy's father was running the mosque - nothing about the aide in question.

It's real thin.

"Thin?" As in "someone else pointing out Debbie Schlussel's had some credibility issue?"

If that's so, if Schlussel lacks credibility, then you shouldn't have a problem refuting her. Have at it. Address the column from which I posted the excerpt.

Further, you didn't address that the American Muslim Council's own press release precisely confirms Gaffney's exact charge against Ali Tulbah. That's not exactly "nothing about the aide in question."

With that, Gaffney's credibility is confirmed, and it's Grover Norquist and his apologists who ought to be drafting their retractions.

Additionally, I've provided copious material, on this thread, from a number of sources about Norquist's questionable dealings with Khaled Saffuri and their Islamic Institute. Suhail Khan is joined at the hip with them. He was a founding board member. Norquist got him the job with Bush.

How about addressing the substance, with substance?




33 posted on 02/21/2003 12:43:33 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: TLBSHOW; LurkerNoMore!
I can't believe that I'm agreeing with sinkspur.
34 posted on 02/21/2003 1:19:17 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Sabertooth; Poohbah
If guilt by association and the fact that this guy was working with Norquist on something, then thin is an accurate description, and that is all I see at this point.

That's it. We don't even know what the substance of the mettings were - a far cry from some of the things we know about Clinton's infamous meetings with drug pushers and gun runners. Clinton was raising cash.

What was the substance of those meetings? Or are you just on a bash-fest against those who don't fit your idea of conservative?
35 posted on 02/21/2003 1:21:10 PM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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OK .. I'm here .. what I see are letters going back and forth accussing one another .. as I stated on the other thread .. Yes I agree, Norquist ill advised the President on certain matters .. now is there an investiation being done on Mr. Norquist? .. If so I will happy to comment on that ..
36 posted on 02/21/2003 1:48:11 PM PST by Mo1 (DC Chapter .. Patriots Rally for America IV .. on Saturday, March 1st)
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To: hchutch
that is all I see at this point.

Gaffney said that Ali Tulbah arranged for the American Muslim Council to attend a White Houe meeting, based on the AMC's press release thanking him for doing so. Norquist denied it, and called Gaffney a racist and a bigot for even making the suggestion.

Yet, as the link above at #28 confirms, the AMC did, indeed, thank Ali Tulbah for arranging the White House meeting, exactly has Gaffney charged.

You've asked for evidence. It was provided. You ignored it. You were reminded. You ignored it again.

There are links upon links here, sources upon sources. You've posted nothing of substance.

Gaffney made a charge, and the evidence for it was exactly where he said it was. If there's slander or libel here, it's Grover Norquist who is guilty of it.




37 posted on 02/21/2003 1:51:00 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Mo1
what I see are letters going back and forth accussing one another

Thanks for the reply. If you read a little more closely, you'll see that Gaffney's charges are supported on a number of points, and defenders of Norquist have not offered even a single source or link to the contrary.

Yes I agree, Norquist ill advised the President on certain matters .. now is there an investiation being done on Mr. Norquist? .. If so I will happy to comment on that ..

One can only hope. Would you support such an investigation? Do you feel it's warranted?




38 posted on 02/21/2003 1:54:30 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Ralph Z. Hallow, one of my favorite journalists/reporters was interviewed on Radio FR at last year's CPAC convention where he stated how much of a fan he is of FR and is a frequent lurker. For him to write this article this morning, he had to have been following our discussion last night. Pretty neat, huh?

Here I wanted Gaffney and Norquist to settle their differences in someone's comfy family room in private over a beer or two and now the feud's getting ever more publicity. I hope they resolve the matter soon. The public scrutiny is good and it's a healthy discussion to have, I only wish they'd lower the decible level a notch or two.

39 posted on 02/21/2003 2:18:48 PM PST by Ligeia
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Gaffney attacked Khan based on his father working at a mosque where Zawahiri raise dfunds under a false passport during the Clinton years.

There's NO evidence of culpability on the part of Mr. Kahn. None. Zero. Zilch. Only a connection to Grover Norquist, who go thim a job on the White House staff.

And if these folks were as bad as Gaffney claims, why did they pass Secret Service background checks? Particularly in the case of Mr. Kahn, who was WORKING in the White House every day, and presumably would get a very thorough screening?

And there also is NO evidence that the meeting the aide arranged - and what he was thanked for in the press release - had an effect on the policy the administration is pursuing. It certainly did not interfere with the investigation that's got a USF professor doing the perp walk. Gaffney may be right about that press release, but the meeting itself - there's no proof that anything adverse to the interests of this country has occured as a result.

No reports of Secret Service objections, no indications that it had any effect on policy in a manner that was favorable to the agenda of the group Gaffney criticized at CPAC. For all we know, Bush listened to their concerns and when they left, he put them in a mental circular file.

Gaffney might not be entirely baseless, but I have seen nothing to indicate this is anything more than cries of wolf and guilt by association.
40 posted on 02/21/2003 2:31:57 PM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: hchutch
And if these folks were as bad as Gaffney claims, why did they pass Secret Service background checks? Particularly in the case of Mr. Kahn, who was WORKING in the White House every day, and presumably would get a very thorough screening?

This is a good point. I'd like to the the scrutiny is better today than it was during the Clinton years.

41 posted on 02/21/2003 2:38:33 PM PST by Ligeia
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To: hchutch; Sabertooth
Excellent synopsis of the events...as we know them to this point.

I shall add my voice to the " show me the proof" column.
42 posted on 02/21/2003 2:47:48 PM PST by justshe (Eliminate Freepathons! Become a monthly donor. Only YOU can prevent Freepathons!)
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To: Sabertooth
One can only hope. Would you support such an investigation? Do you feel it's warranted?

On the evidence that Gaffney is charging???

I am no expert but I thinking you need a bit more then what he has presented so far .. Does Mr. Gaffney have anyone solid evidence ?

43 posted on 02/21/2003 2:54:23 PM PST by Mo1 (DC Chapter .. Patriots Rally for America IV .. on Saturday, March 1st)
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To: sinkspur
Grover seems a bit naive, to me. I heard him on John Gibson's show a couple of weeks ago and he was overly defensive about his relationships with certain Muslim groups.

Grover is often suspect to me...follow the money ..see where it leads

44 posted on 02/21/2003 2:56:59 PM PST by RnMomof7 (1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:)
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To: Mo1
Does Mr. Gaffney have anyone solid evidence ?

Oh heck .. should be .. Does Mr. Gaffney have any solid evidence ?

45 posted on 02/21/2003 3:10:10 PM PST by Mo1 (DC Chapter .. Patriots Rally for America IV .. on Saturday, March 1st)
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To: hchutch; justshe; Mo1; mhking
And there also is NO evidence that the meeting the aide arranged - and what he was thanked for in the press release - had an effect on the policy the administration is pursuing.

The very point of such meetings is to influence and propmote Administration policy.

Here's some more on the American Muslim Council, from Daniel Pipes:

[The AMC;] 'Mainstream' Muslims?
by Daniel Pipes
New York Post
June 18, 2002

FBI directors don't make a habit of breaking bread with organizations their agents may soon be investigating, perhaps even closing. Robert S. Mueller III, however, is about to make precisely this blunder: On June 28, he is scheduled to deliver a lunch talk to the American Muslim Council.

Mueller accepted this invitation, his spokesman Bill Carter explains, because the FBI regards the AMC as "the most mainstream Muslim group in the United States."

The AMC does indeed seek to convey a message of moderation. Its event this month, for example, is reassuringly titled "American Muslims: Part of America." AMC also boasts of having initiated "many of the historic events marking the entrance of Muslims into mainstream American culture and life."

Public relations, however, is not reality. The FBI may have missed the AMC's true nature because until just days ago its guidelines prohibited it from collecting general information on an organization of this sort. To help it catch up, then, here are five compelling reasons why Director Mueller should break his lunch date:

Apologetics for terrorism: The U.S. government years ago formally certified Hamas and Hezbollah to be terrorist groups; AMC sings their praises.

In 2000, Abdurahman Alamoudi, the group's longtime executive director, exhorted a rally outside the White House with "We are ALL supporters of Hamas. Allahu Akhbar! . . . I am also a supporter of Hezbollah." In January, Alamoudi participated - alongside leaders of Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and al Qaeda - in a Beirut conference whose communique called for a boycott of American products.

The American Muslim Council also has ties to other terrorists. For example, Jamal Barzinji, whose Virginia house and business were raided by federal authorities in an anti-terrorism investigation three months ago, is on the AMC board and will be on the podium at the forthcoming AMC conference.

In December 2000, AMC's Dallas chapter gave an award to Ghassan Dahduli. Eleven months later, he was deported from the United States on account of his connections to al Qaeda and Hamas.

In addition, Alamoudi has vehemently defended Omar Abdul Rahman, the blind sheikh now imprisoned for his role in New York-area terrorism. And AMC has both held press conferences supporting Sudan's National Islamic Front (a Department of State-designated terrorist group) and, in 1992, hosted the NIS's leader on a visit to the United States.

Helping fund-raise for terrorism: The Holy Land Foundation is one of the main American conduits of money to Hamas; not surprisingly, AMC has lavished praise on it, bestowing an award on it for a "strong global vision." When President Bush closed Holy Land after 9/11 for collecting money "used to support the Hamas terror organization," AMC responded by condemning the president's act as "particularly disturbing . . . unjust and counterproductive."

Run-ins with the law: AMC leaders have a long and colorful history of legal problems. Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin (the former H. Rap Brown), a one-time president of AMC's executive board, has the nearly unique distinction of having been listed not just once but twice as one of the FBI's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives. Oh, and today he is sitting out a life sentence without parole for murdering a policeman.

Other employees have less horrible but still troubled resumes. For example, AMC's current director, Eric Vickers, has been admonished, sanctioned or suspended by courts over a 10-year period due to his faulty practice of law.

Hostility to law enforcement: Even after 9/11, AMC's Web site linked to a document, "Know Your Rights" that advises "Don't Talk to the FBI." Indeed, AMC has fervently opposed successive administrations' efforts to stave off terrorism.

And Vickers personally has, to put it delicately, a strained relationship with law enforcement. In his youth, he admits, he was "against the cops." He remains hostile but expresses himself more elegantly today, for example, accusing Attorney General John Ashcroft of "using national security as a pretext" to engage in a pattern of ethnic and religious discrimination.

Hostility to the United States: Its apparent patriotism aside, AMC harbors an intense anti-Americanism. "Let us damn America," Sami Al-Arian, a featured speaker at recent AMC events, has declaimed.

Alamoudi, the longtime executive director, has dilated on the agony of living in a country he loathes: "I think if we are outside this country, we can say oh, Allah, destroy America, but once we are here, our mission in this country is to change it. There is no way for Muslims to be violent in America, no way. We have other means to do it. You can be violent anywhere else but in America."

Far from being "the most mainstream Muslim group in the United States," the AMC is among their most extreme. That explains why George W. Bush in 2000 returned a $1,000 donation from Alamoudi to his campaign.

Rather than endorse AMC by his presence, Robert Mueller should find other lunch companions next Friday. Then he should put the organization under surveillance, ascertain its funding sources, look over its books, and check its staff's visa status.
LINK

Again and again, the evidence points to an inevitable conclusion:

Grover Norquist and his Islamic Institute protege, Suhail Khan, are providing White House access to sympathizers and supporters of terrorism, such as the American Muslim Council.




46 posted on 02/21/2003 3:14:56 PM PST by Sabertooth
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Good grief. How many different ways can this be posted?
47 posted on 02/21/2003 3:35:03 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Sabertooth
I hadn't seen this, thanks.

What the heck is this guy playing the race card for?

48 posted on 02/21/2003 4:59:59 PM PST by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: TLBSHOW
Grover seems a bit naive, to me. I heard him on John Gibson's show a couple of weeks ago and he was overly defensive about his relationships with certain Muslim groups.

Norquist seems anything but naive to me. IMHO it would be wise to pay special attention to what he doesn't say.

49 posted on 02/21/2003 6:36:24 PM PST by lucysmom
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To: Sabertooth
If Norquist has not written a piece that responds to all this stuff out there from soup to nuts, then he is close to being an inert object. He certainly should. Perhaps he has, and it just hasn't hit FR. At the moment I will withhold judgment because to me Norquist is something of an riddle within a mystery wrapped in an enigma. He needs to put his cards on the table soon.
50 posted on 02/21/2003 7:11:21 PM PST by Torie
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