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5 Who Died Had Flu-Like Symptoms
Washington Post ^ | Saturday, February 22, 2003 | By Michael D. Shear and Maria Glod

Posted on 02/21/2003 11:33:34 PM PST by Pro-Bush

RICHMOND, Feb. 21 -- Five children who died in southeast Virginia in the past week had no contact with each other and did not attend the same schools or take similar medicines, according to state health officials, who also dismissed bioterrorism as a cause of the mysterious deaths.

The five boys and girls -- from Richmond, Hampton, Virginia Beach, and Portsmouth -- had one thing in common before their unexpected deaths: an apparent viral infection that caused flu-like symptoms, including sore throat, wheezing, coughing, ear infections, and low-grade fevers

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Nothing is coincidental in Southeast Va.
1 posted on 02/21/2003 11:33:34 PM PST by Pro-Bush
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To: Pro-Bush
I lived in Hampton at one time.

For those who don't know, this is a center of military bases: Air Force, Army and Navy, and also the shipyards which build the naval fleet are located there.

Five children dead from a virus is very alarming. One of the early indicators of deadly flu is high mortality in the young and old.

This could be flu or something else (!)

Has the CDC been called in ?

2 posted on 02/21/2003 11:39:23 PM PST by happygrl
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To: Pro-Bush
"Officials said they "could not rule out anything," but stressed that they do not believe the deaths were caused by a biological attack. Out of 100 possible explanations, one state doctor said, bioterrorism would be the 101st reason he would examine."

With the current state of the health care system - being extremely liberal - and mostly refusing to even take their smallpox vax - I'd say that this statement shows just how far into denial that they are. Like West Nile Virus "just happened" to get to the US. Yeah, right.

3 posted on 02/21/2003 11:50:55 PM PST by 11B3 (Post Vulcan Cannons At The Next "Peace" March. And USE THEM.)
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To: Pro-Bush
Is there any similarity between this and the virus in South China which recently took several lives?
4 posted on 02/21/2003 11:54:46 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA
Back in November a similar "flu" killed 3 or 4 E. Texas woman who didn't seem deathly ill. They just took a turn for the worse and died of respiratory or cardiac failure. I believe one was 17 and 2 were in their early 40's.
5 posted on 02/21/2003 11:58:32 PM PST by TheLurkerX ("When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro..." Hunter S. Thompson)
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To: happygrl
Hopefully no one has seen a Spanish Lady or a version of.
6 posted on 02/22/2003 12:04:56 AM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Pro-Bush
Five children who died in southeast Virginia in the past week had no contact with each other and did not attend the same schools or take similar medicines, according to state health officials, who also dismissed bioterrorism as a cause of the mysterious deaths.

Just what is there in this statement that would convince anybody that bioterrorism is ruled out? No tin foil here just curiosity.

7 posted on 02/22/2003 12:07:30 AM PST by EGPWS
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To: Pro-Bush
if some sort of freakish new flu were to appear, can't they make a vaccine like they do every year of the most popular ones and vaccinate people?
9 posted on 02/22/2003 12:17:39 AM PST by ecru
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To: happygrl
Exactly...Obviously you know where my thoughts are, lets see where this goes. With the mytsterious illnesses from hospital workers in S.F. to the Cruise line mystery illnesses, to the more powerful West Nile strains cropping up a few months back...Is this whats next? Something is up...
10 posted on 02/22/2003 1:13:59 AM PST by Pro-Bush
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To: happygrl
This could be flu or something else (!)

Ricin?

11 posted on 02/22/2003 1:19:53 AM PST by null and void
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To: null and void
Lets hope not..but plausable. EEEK!
12 posted on 02/22/2003 1:27:16 AM PST by Pro-Bush
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To: Pro-Bush
Color me paranoid...
13 posted on 02/22/2003 1:28:13 AM PST by null and void (Only the paranoid survive - Andy Grove...)
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To: null and void
does follow what I have heard of the ricin etiology...


if it were a bio attack... who would we KNOW to nuke and in what order?
not panicked at all, I just wonder... do we have an approved target list?
and do the TARGETS know who they would be?
14 posted on 02/22/2003 1:31:55 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (29A is almost here)
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To: null and void
The Guardian out of UK reports:

Ricin is 500 times stronger than cobra venom and 1,500 times more deadly than cyanide. The equivalent of a grain of salt would be enough to kill an adult, and a fatal dose takes around three days to kill the person affected.

Ricin-related symptoms include fever and nausea, which progresses to severe abdominal pains and fits. Victims die from multiple organ failure and there is no known antidote or vaccine.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/ukresponse/story/0,11017,870875,00.html

Sounds like Flu symptoms to me..But no reports of multiple organ failure YET with the deaths in VA.
15 posted on 02/22/2003 1:33:48 AM PST by Pro-Bush
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To: C19H28O2
There was/is a very nasty flu that has been travelling around southern california for the past three months. I did not catch it until a coworkers son repeatedly coughed on me. I was able to beat the extreme bed riden flu-like symptoms in just two days, but the after effects and a sore throat have linkered on for 2 weeks now. I have talked to a few other people who have had it. During the 2 week or longer recovery phase, you wake up every morning with a sore throat. One of my coworkers actually had it turn into pnemonia. I can see where this long lingering flu can turn deadly for some.
16 posted on 02/22/2003 1:54:14 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: 11B3
"Out of 100 possible explanations, one state doctor said,
bioterrorism would be the 101st reason he would examine."

If this doctor keeps bioterrorism out of the realm of possibility, I sure hope somebody else is in charge.
17 posted on 02/22/2003 1:54:37 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: EnquiringMind
If this doctor keeps bioterrorism out of the realm of possibility, I sure hope somebody else is in charge.

Someone is. Unfortunately he is in Iraq...

18 posted on 02/22/2003 2:10:11 AM PST by null and void (Sleep well...)
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To: Pro-Bush
There was a recent outbreak of SOMETHING in Asia recently - was it Singapore, Indonesia, or Malyasia - and children was dying also. NOT in a less developed area, but one where good medical care is available.

I am very suspicious of the Norfolk outbreak on Cruise ships.

Those ships have been sailing for years without these types of illnesses REPEATEDLY on DIFFERENT ships.

Anything that could affect morale in our servicepeople as they deploy would be significant.

There is something about this mortality that does not seem reasonable. These kinds of deaths are more typical of meningitus than a mere respiratory illness.

19 posted on 02/22/2003 2:59:11 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Pro-Bush
A leading virologist who heads one of the World Health Organisation's
influenza centres says a failure by mainland officials to provide
sufficient information on the latest bird flu outbreak could hamper
efforts to control any potential epidemic.

Masato Tashiro, director of the WHO's collaborating centre for influenza
in Tokyo, told the South China Morning Post he was unhappy with the way
mainland officials were handling both the bird flu incidents in Fujian and
the recent pneumonia outbreak in Guangdong.


"Controlling an influenza epidemic is a global matter. But we do not have
much information despite repeated inquiries to the Ministry of Health. We
are worried that it is a beginning of an epidemic," he said.


The Tokyo centre is one of the four WHO collaborating offices for
influenza. The other three are in London, Atlanta and Melbourne.


"It is crucial that we know about the transmission route of the virus -
where and when the Hong Kong man and his son caught the virus," Dr Tashiro
said.


Speaking from Tokyo yesterday, he added that the WHO and international
scientists should press harder for an opportunity to join the
investigation in China.


Hong Kong's Department of Health confirmed earlier this week that a
33-year-old Hong Kong man, who died on Monday, and his nine-year-old son
became the first humans infected with H5N1 since 1997.


Moves were stepped up yesterday to test relatives of the man and his son
in Pingtan, Fujian province, where the family gathered for the Lunar New
Year.


Dr Tashiro said he was concerned about whether there was any link among
bird flu incidents in Hong Kong farms and parks recently and the Guangdong
pneumonia outbreak.


The WHO has activated the global flu response plan for the first time
since 1997, when six out of 18 people infected died of a bird flu strain
previously not seen in humans.


Secretary for Health, Welfare and Food Yeoh Eng-kiong said yesterday:
"There is no immediate risk of any pandemic and we are on top of the
problem."

http://www.scmp.com/topnews/ZZZ6A4NA3CD.html


20 posted on 02/22/2003 3:00:50 AM PST by per loin
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To: Pro-Bush
Why is nothing coincidental in Southeast Virginia?

I could understand that comment if it was Northeast Virginia...

21 posted on 02/22/2003 3:32:03 AM PST by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: William McKinley
See my post #2.

Southeast Virgina is a center of military posts and bases.

22 posted on 02/22/2003 3:50:51 AM PST by happygrl
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To: ecru
>>if some sort of freakish new flu were to appear, can't they make a vaccine like they do every year of the most popular ones and vaccinate people?<<

No, because it spreads too fast. It takes 6-7 months to change the vaccine.

23 posted on 02/22/2003 3:53:20 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: per loin
This is my fear.

Public health experts have said that another deadly flu epidemic like the Spanish Flu of 1918 is their worst nightmare, as it would be air-borne.

No reason that this couldn't be a form of manufactured flu.

24 posted on 02/22/2003 3:53:59 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Pro-Bush
It is very scary to me that doctors are so quick to absolutely rule out bio-terror...which tells me that when we are attacked that way, the disease is going to spread like wild-fire with all the doctors heads stuck in the sand unable to figure out what they are looking at.

My wife is a nurse, my mother-in-law, 3 sisters in-laws are all nurses...the horror stories I hear about grossly incompetenet doctors, on a daily basis, makes me really nervous about the average doctor being able to diagnose anything out of the ordinary...
25 posted on 02/22/2003 4:43:18 AM PST by freeper12
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To: Pro-Bush
"Ricin-related symptoms include fever and nausea, which progresses to severe abdominal pains and fits. Victims die from multiple organ failure and there is no known antidote or vaccine."

There is a cure for Ricin poisening. You remove the source of the poisen and become healthy again. Ricin is a toxin derived from the castor plant. It is not a diease.

The World War I pilots usually looked like and felt like death after several months of flying. It was ricin build up in thier blood from breathing the burning castor oil that was used to lubricate their engines. They were actually smoking ricin. The silk scarves wrapped around their faces were to filter out some of the smoke.

27 posted on 02/22/2003 5:17:37 AM PST by SSN558
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To: Pro-Bush
Here is a link to a similar story. (And the story in case the link doesn't work.)

http://www.detnews.com/2003/metro/0302/06/d01-78436.htm

Thursday, February 6, 2003


No links found in children's fatalities

Death of 2 kids still a mystery; 3rd had flu, died of encephalitis

By Amy Lee / The Detroit News

BLOOMFIELD HILLS -- The death of a 5-year-old Bloomfield Hills girl from flu complications is unrelated to two mysterious deaths of Washtenaw County children, officials said Wednesday.

Alana Yaksich, a kindergartner at Pine Lake Elementary School, died Monday of encephalitis, a brain inflammation that's a rare flu complication.

In Washtenaw County, an autopsy report Wednesday on 14-year-old David Tripp, who died Jan. 25, could not establish a cause of death. Tripp of Ypsilanti lost consciousness at home after complaining of aches, a sore throat and an upset stomach. He died shortly afterward.

Meghan Spieles, a 6-year-old Ann Arbor Township resident, died Friday.

Health officials expect to complete Meghan's autopsy in the next day or so, said Dr. Stan Reedy, medical director at the Washtenaw County Department of Public Health.

"In a way, perhaps, (Alana's) parents are a little more fortunate because they know what caused the death, where the other parents are still unaware of what symptoms caused their child's death," said Jennifer Woliung, community relations director for the Bloomfield Hills School District.

Seven-year-old Yazzmin Zama of Rochester Hills also died recently of a genetic blood disease with complications from pneumonia, officials said.

Michigan health officials have alerted the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta of the unexplained deaths, which is routine in such cases, said Geralyn Lasher of the Michigan Department of Community Health.

The state is helping Washtenaw County health officials determine what killed David and Meghan, Lasher said. But Reedy said David Tripp's death may remain a mystery.

"There's always a small percentage where the cause of death remains unknown," he said.

In 2002, 92 U.S. children who exhibited flu-like symptoms died without health officials ever determining a cause of death, CDC spokeswoman Katie Hoskins said.


You can reach Amy Lee at (248) 647-8605 or alee@detnews.com.
28 posted on 02/22/2003 5:34:02 AM PST by yankeedog
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To: Pro-Bush
Paranoia alert!
29 posted on 02/22/2003 6:11:40 AM PST by verity
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To: C19H28O2
Do you live in the Northeast? We have the same thing around here. My wife and I had it and many of my co-workers did too. BTW, do you have aching joints as a result of this? My wife and I, several others, have reported sore knees, elbows and backs.
30 posted on 02/22/2003 6:15:03 AM PST by raybbr
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To: Pro-Bush
Last month a Marine recruit died and all training was halted at boot camp in San Diego. There has also been outbreaks in Texas. These were staph infections which have symptoms similar to flu.
31 posted on 02/22/2003 6:53:54 AM PST by opbuzz
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To: Pro-Bush
Hmm.


Don't fear the Reaper.

Regards, Ivan

32 posted on 02/22/2003 6:57:37 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: raybbr
>>reported sore knees, elbows and backs.


Maybe from shoveling too much snow!
33 posted on 02/22/2003 7:09:52 AM PST by freeper12
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To: verity
>>Paranoia alert!


Just becuase you are not paranoid, doesn't mean people are not trying to kill you...
34 posted on 02/22/2003 7:11:33 AM PST by freeper12
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To: freeper12
It is very scary to me that doctors are so quick to absolutely rule out bio-terror.

The Staten Island explosion isn't terrorism, either I know this because they told us so. I think, this time, they waited long enough for all the debris to fall before they made the anouncement...

35 posted on 02/22/2003 7:18:16 AM PST by null and void
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To: Lion's Cub
What's the scuttlebutt in the medical community down your way?
36 posted on 02/22/2003 7:29:59 AM PST by aristeides
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To: C19H28O2
I know what you mean. I've been fighting it off and on since before Christmas. Normally, I might get sick 1 or 2 days in the winter with the flu du jour, but this crap seems to hang out in your system, and as soon as you get stressed or don't get enough sleep, it tries to knock you down again.
37 posted on 02/22/2003 7:34:38 AM PST by TheLurkerX ("When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro..." Hunter S. Thompson)
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To: Pro-Bush
"an apparent viral infection that caused flu-like symptoms"

You mean... THE FLU.

The flu has been beating the hell out of us this year, school on the east side of Tucson (a place that generally avoids the flu, too warm to get sick) have been reporting absenteeism percentages in the 40s.

You're right, nothing coincidental, it's flu season and kids are getting the flu. That's how you know it's flu season.
38 posted on 02/22/2003 7:35:37 AM PST by discostu (This tag intentionally left blank)
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To: freeper12
My wife is a nurse, my mother-in-law, 3 sisters in-laws are all nurses...the horror stories I hear about grossly incompetenet doctors, on a daily basis, makes me really nervous about the average doctor being able to diagnose anything out of the ordinary...

Doctors/medical 'error' are the #3 killers of Americans, after cancer and heart disease...plan accordingly.



39 posted on 02/22/2003 7:36:10 AM PST by who knows what evil? (Sign on Tennessee car: Police...child/pet on board, please don't shoot!)
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To: Jim Noble
That's true. The flu vaccine they prepare each year is really a guesstimate of what flu will be prevalent that year. Sometimes they pick the wrong strain, and the vaccine is ineffective.
40 posted on 02/22/2003 7:37:21 AM PST by TheLurkerX ("When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro..." Hunter S. Thompson)
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To: 11B3
The miracle is that West Nile didn't get here 20 years ago. Insect born diseases travel really well, only takes one infected misquito to hitch a ride on an airplane and bite a bird on the other side and WALLA West Nile has spread to another country.
41 posted on 02/22/2003 7:39:51 AM PST by discostu (This tag intentionally left blank)
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To: MadIvan
Don't fear the Reaper.

The time is fast approaching for all of us to stand and be true.

42 posted on 02/22/2003 7:40:42 AM PST by Euro-American Scum
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To: raybbr
Yep. This last flare-up started with 2 days of feeling ok except for a sore back and neck, and I was tired all the time. The 2nd night, I got the sore throat/runny nose again. My lungs got congested, and the next morning, every muscle and joint in my body hurt. I was running low fevers off and on, and at one point had violent stomach cramps, but they only lasted a couple of hours. By the following 2 days, I still felt bad, but had started blowing and hacking up nasty stuff. I'm still not 100 percent, and it's been a week. This is the 4th time this winter it's got me again, and my wife and kids have all had it 3 or 4 times. The flare-ups aren't as bad as the first time, but like I said earlier, it's like it lurks in your system, waiting to kid your legs out from under you again.
43 posted on 02/22/2003 7:43:00 AM PST by TheLurkerX ("When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro..." Hunter S. Thompson)
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To: Pro-Bush
What's up is that reporters desperate for fame ask stupid questions and write sensationalistic stories hoping for their "big break". There's 280 million people in this country, some are bound to get sick, so of those sicknesses will leave doctors scratching their heads. Before 9-11 these things were reported in the Fortean Times if they made the news at all, now every one of the is a "possible terrorist attack". People die from the flu, it happens, it spreads like a mother and people "with no previous contact" get the same strain (contagions spread from one to another, if one guy had contact with 5 people, who spread it to a different 5, then a different 5 then finally the kids you've got 5 kids that never met with the same illness, no suprise there).

This is like Florida in the summer of 01, all those stories about shark attack and everybody thought the sharks had gone bonkers or something and in truth shark attack off the coast of Florida were DOWN by around 40%, but every one made the national news so it seemed up but that was an illusion.
44 posted on 02/22/2003 7:45:30 AM PST by discostu (This tag intentionally left blank)
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To: raybbr
My wife and I, several others, have reported sore knees, elbows and backs

Myself and two kids got this. Hubby didn't get too sick, and he had flu shot. But we were all sick for about a week. My back was in such pain and I thought it very odd at the time. It was not your typical flu achiness, it was an uncomforting pain.

45 posted on 02/22/2003 7:45:59 AM PST by riri
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To: Pro-Bush
flu-like symptoms, including sore throat, wheezing, coughing, ear infections, and low-grade fevers

Those don't sound like flu symptoms to me. They sound like head cold symptoms.

I'm on day 8 of these very same symptoms (and I'm ready for them to leave). It's been going around here although for some inexplicable reason I seem to have gotten worse case of it than anyone we know. It's a butt kicker.

46 posted on 02/22/2003 7:54:22 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: FourPeas
In my two run-ins with the flu, I found it to be similar to a head cold, but *extremely* more severe in the fever and aches department.

SYMPTOMS OF INFLUENZA:

fever - up to 104 degrees C
headache
muscle aches and stiffness
nasal discharge
cough
shortness of breath
chills
fatigue
malaise
sweating
loss of appetite
stuffy, congested nose
sore throat

47 posted on 02/22/2003 8:56:04 AM PST by RedWhiteBlue
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To: RedWhiteBlue
I've had similar experiences with the flu.

The article, though, didn't point out the symptoms that delineate the flu from a cold: high fever (the article mentioned only low-grade), muscle aches and stiffness, chills, loss of appetite, etc. The symptoms that were mentioned are common to both the cold and flu.

48 posted on 02/22/2003 10:12:49 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: JimSEA
"Is there any similarity between this and the virus in South China which recently took several lives?"

I posted an article on that last week but, I can't find it now.

49 posted on 02/22/2003 10:17:59 AM PST by blam
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To: JimSEA
"Is there any similarity between this and the virus in South China which recently took several lives?"

Found it.

Proof That Bird Flu Killed Man In Hong Kong Prompts Alarm

50 posted on 02/22/2003 10:23:38 AM PST by blam
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