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Above and Beyond - Excellent Editorial About Congressional Medal of Honor Winners - Black Hawk Down
Wall Street Journal ^ | Tuesday, February 25, 2003 | DOROTHY RABINOWITZ

Posted on 02/25/2003 6:12:00 AM PST by pittsburgh gop guy

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:48:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

It has been said of Osama bin Laden that the main lesson he derived from the war in Somalia was that the infliction of heavy casualties was all that was needed to cause Americans to turn and run. Americans, he suggested, are weak that way, and soft. Undoubtedly a happy thought for those subscribing to this view, but those who do would be well advised to consider certain aspects of that war in Somalia -- in particular the dogged determination of the Americans who fought the enemy in the streets of Mogadishu on Oct. 3, 1993, a battle in which two Rangers were awarded Congressional Medals of Honor.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: billclinton; blackhawkdown; dorothyrabinowitz; fittobepresident; lesapsin; medalofhonor; mogadishu; neverforget; osamabinladen; rangers; somalia; wolfowitz
"Her husband had been less inhibited, and had refused to shake President Clinton's hand at the Medal of Honor ceremony in 1994. "You are not fit to be president," Mr. Shughart told Mr. Clinton. The president did not reply..."
1 posted on 02/25/2003 6:12:00 AM PST by pittsburgh gop guy
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
Tearful salute.
2 posted on 02/25/2003 6:17:40 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
It does not require reference to Medal of Honor recipients to certify the U.S. military's courage and tenacity. Still, now is not a bad time to remember what happened when an outnumbered, underequipped force, hamstrung by superiors more concerned with appearances than success, was sent into Somalia -- and to reflect on the nature of men impelled to acts of valor and selflessness, deeds that seem, still, to shine forth from that darkness.

That is a perfect line.

3 posted on 02/25/2003 6:27:13 AM PST by SeeRushToldU_So ( Something witty, etc, etc....)
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
NEVER FORGET


Congressional Medals of Honor,

Battle of IA DRANG-1965 =


Lt. JOE MARM - Awarded

Capt. BILL 'Too Tall' FREEMAN - Awarded

Capt. BRUCE CRANDALL - Coming

Capt. TONAY NADAL - Coming


Signed:..ALOHA RONNIE, a Witness & Vet-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG -1965 http://www.LZXRay.com

NEVER FORGET








4 posted on 02/25/2003 6:28:02 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRay.com)
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
"First Class Sergeant Shughart continued his protective fire until he depleted his ammunition and was fatally wounded." His own ammunition nearly depleted, Gordon found a rifle with the last five rounds of ammunition. This he handed to the dazed copter pilot with the words, "Good luck." Then, armed only with his pistol, "Master Sergeant Gordon continued to fight until he was fatally wounded."

The only words I can summon up at this moment are these:

Where do we find such men?

5 posted on 02/25/2003 6:36:48 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ()
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
The first thing to learn about the Congressional Medal of Honor is the language rule,

The first thing to learn is that journalists, as well as many others, incorrectly identify the Medal of Honor as the Congressional Medal of Honor.

6 posted on 02/25/2003 6:40:35 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
NEVER FORGET


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NEVER FORGET

7 posted on 02/25/2003 6:42:07 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRay.com)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Where do we find such men?

You don't. They appear when needed.

8 posted on 02/25/2003 6:47:16 AM PST by Sangamon Kid
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
There's that awful scene in the movie when the Somalis finally break through Sgt. Shughart's position and kill him, and then dozens of them run forward to shoot his already-dead body. I broke into tears and thought, "The Alamo."
9 posted on 02/25/2003 6:51:49 AM PST by MoralSense
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
CLINTON: "I Didn't Kill the Kid" (a must read regarding Somalia)
 
Eventually, after Clinton had sat on the paper work for eight weeks, two of the slain soldiers, Master Sergeant Gary Gordon and Sergeant First Class Randall Shughart, were posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor. As usual in such cases, the medals were presented to the next of kin.

Following the May 23 presentation at the White House, the families of the two men were invited into the Oval Office for a private visit with Clinton. Inside the office, the father of Sergeant Shughart refused to shake Clinton's hand, then look him in the face and calmly told him that he was responsible for his son's death, that it was for no purpose, that he was not fit to be President, and not fit to be Commander in Chief.

Clinton was visibly shocked, amazed, and momentarily speechless. It is revealing that he was surprised that the man should feel that way. Clinton really doesn't think the way most people do, seeming to lack a sense of personal responsibility. After a brief, awkward silence, Clinton caught his breath. Becoming angry, he turned to the mother of the dead her and said, "What's he jumping on me for? I didn't kill the kid!"

Yes, he really did say that--to the bereaved mother--he really did! It was an eloquent demonstration of Clinton's insensitivity, and of his absolute inability to understand sacrifice and responsibility.


Within this crowd, 1,000 uniformed veterans standing in formation executed an "about face" and "parade rest" and then hung their heads in silent protest when Clinton appeared.

MEDALS OF HONOR AWARDED FOR ACTION IN SOMALIA

*GORDON, GARY I.

Rank and organization: Master Sergeant, U.S. Army. Place and date: 3 October 1993, Mogadishu, Somalia. Born: Lincoln, Maine.

Citation: Master Sergeant Gordon, United States Army, distinguished himself by actions above and beyond the call of duty on 3 October 1993, while serving as Sniper Team Leader, United States Army Special Operations Command with Task Force Ranger in Mogadishu, Somalia. Master Sergeant Gordon's sniper team provided precision fires from the lead helicopter during an assault and at two helicopter crash sites, while subjected to intense automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenade fires. When Master Sergeant Gordon learned that ground forces were not immediately available to secure the second crash site, he and another sniper unhesitatingly volunteered to be inserted to protect the four critically wounded personnel, despite being well aware of the growing number of enemy personnel closing in on the site. After his third request to be inserted, Master Sergeant Gordon received permission to perform his volunteer mission. When debris and enemy ground fires at the site caused them to abort the first attempt, Master Sergeant Gordon was inserted one hundred meters south of the crash site. Equipped with only his sniper rifle and a pistol, Master Sergeant Gordon and his fellow sniper, while under intense small arms fire from the enemy, fought their way through a dense maze of shanties and shacks to reach the critically injured crew members. Master Sergeant Gordon immediately pulled the pilot and the other crew members from the aircraft, establishing a perimeter which placed him and his fellow sniper in the most vulnerable position. Master Sergeant Gordon used his long range rifle and side arm to kill an undetermined number of attackers until he depleted his ammunition. Master Sergeant Gordon then went back to the wreckage, recovering some of the crew's weapons and ammunition. Despite the fact that he was critically low on ammunition, he provided some of it to the dazed pilot and then radioed for help. Master Sergeant Gordon continued to travel the perimeter, protecting the downed crew. After his team member was fatally wounded and his own rifle ammunition exhausted, Master Sergeant Gordon returned to the wreckage, recovering a rifle with the last five rounds of ammunition and gave it to the pilot with the words, "good luck." Then, armed only with his pistol, Master Sergeant Gordon continued to fight until he was fatally wounded. His actions saved the pilot's life. Master Sergeant Gordon's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty were in keeping with the highest standards of military service and reflect great credit upon him, his unit and the United States Army.

 

*SHUGHART, RANDALL D.

Rank and organization: Sergeant First Class, U.S. Army. Place and date: 3 October 1993, Mogadishu, Somalia. Born: Newville, Pennsylvania.

Citation: Sergeant First Class Shughart, United States Army, distinguished himself by actions above and beyond the call of duty on 3 October 1993, while serving as a Sniper Team Member, United States Army Special Operations Command with Task Force Ranger in Mogadishu, Somalia. Sergeant First Class Shughart provided precision sniper fires from the lead helicopter during an assault on a building and at two helicopter crash sites, while subjected to intense automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenade fires. While providing critical suppressive fires at the second crash site, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader learned that ground forces were not immediately available to secure the site. Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader unhesitatingly volunteered to be inserted to protect the four critically wounded personnel, despite being well aware of the growing number of enemy personnel closing in on the site. After their third request to be inserted, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader received permission to perform this volunteer mission. When debris and enemy ground fires at the site caused them to abort the first attempt, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader were inserted one hundred meters south of the crash site. Equipped with only his sniper rifle and a pistol, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader, while under intense small arms fire from the enemy, fought their way through a dense maze of shanties and shacks to reach the critically injured crew members. Sergeant First Class Shughart pulled the pilot and the other crew members from the aircraft, establishing a perimeter which placed him and his fellow sniper in the most vulnerable position. Sergeant First Class Shughart used his long range rifle and side arm to kill an undetermined number of attackers while traveling the perimeter, protecting the downed crew. Sergeant First Class Shughart continued his protective fire until he depleted his ammunition and was fatally wounded. His actions saved the pilot's life. Sergeant First Class Shughart's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty were in keeping with the highest standards of military service and reflect great credit upon him, his unit and the United States Army.

10 posted on 02/25/2003 6:56:35 AM PST by Wolverine
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To: Wolverine
Never forget: Clinton is a coward and a bald-faced liar.
11 posted on 02/25/2003 7:03:14 AM PST by Wolverine
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
>7����>`uage rule . . . says -- in the circles of Medal recipients or, more to the point, their families -- that it's best to avoid talk of someone having "won" the award. "Won," "winning," "winners": they are all words that smack of contests, games, and luck, explains an official with the Congressional Medal of Honor Society.
Compare with the Dick Gebhardt phrase, "winners of life's lottery", to designate the diligent and thrifty against whom Democrats hope to incite envy. Not that Gebhadt and that bunch would ever find an evil word to say about the actual winner of a government "education" lottery . . .

12 posted on 02/25/2003 7:10:00 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: doug from upland
A thread you will remember. Keep this bumped to the top. We must never forget what a scumbag clinton was and is today.
13 posted on 02/25/2003 7:11:12 AM PST by Wolverine
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To: pittsburgh gop guy; TroutStalker
Troutstalker posted this a little earlier, but I guess it didn't get bumped enough to be noticed and now this one has more replies.

Thanks both of you for posting this. I'll never forget what Clinton did to our brave soldiers.

14 posted on 02/25/2003 7:15:15 AM PST by LBGA
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
Whether or not Clinton believed it to be his fault, the honorable and compassionate thing for him to have done would have been to accept the blame and apologise as best he could.
15 posted on 02/25/2003 7:19:47 AM PST by XJarhead
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To: LBGA
Troutstalker must have posted right after I searched for the article, because nothing came up when I searched. I hate when that happens, but guess that sometimes it can't be avoided. Great minds think alike I guess..... (and sometimes find things at about the same time....)

Either way, it is an excellent article about the brave men who died because of Clinton and Les Aspin.
16 posted on 02/25/2003 7:22:49 AM PST by pittsburgh gop guy (now serving eastern Pennsylvania and the Lehigh Valley.......)
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To: XJarhead
honorable and compassionate ....?

While I agree with your sentiment, clinton was always a user and exploiter of the people around him.

On Clinton's  first Memorial Day at the Wall

CLINTON CHRONICLES BOOK (Lt. Col. Tom McKenney, Ret.)

Bill Clinton didn't appreciate the military, he didn't understand their sacrifice, and, characteristically, he didn't leave them alone. For his own selfish reasons, he just kicked them one more time.

As Clinton began his speech, the outcry from the veterans kept behind the fence increased to the point that Clinton's voice coming over the loudspeaker could not be heard. He sharply reacted to the protestors by saying, "I've listened to you! Now you listen to me!"


17 posted on 02/25/2003 7:30:31 AM PST by Wolverine
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
Whoever wrote the title didn't read the text. You don't "Win" the medal of honor.
18 posted on 02/25/2003 7:32:47 AM PST by pfflier
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
Yeah, I hate it when that happens. You spend time formatting something and then someone else slips the article in right before you. :-)

I just wanted to acknowledge that Troutstalker also posted this as a tribute to these brave soldiers.

19 posted on 02/25/2003 8:00:57 AM PST by LBGA
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
The first thing to learn about the Congressional Medal of Honor

No, the first thing to learn is that its name is Medal of Honor and it is bestowed by Congress.

20 posted on 02/25/2003 8:03:44 AM PST by rabidralph (Too lazy to read every post.)
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To: Wolverine
Thanks for the heads up. A few years back I interviewed Capt. James Smith, the father of Jaimie Smith. A few months ago on FR radio, I did a show with Lt. Col. Tom McKenney (Ret). McKenney was my original source for the "I didn't kill the kid quote." I first spoke to him about this matter about 9 years ago.
21 posted on 02/25/2003 9:05:29 AM PST by doug from upland (Bill and Hillary's first instinct is survival.....their second is to lie.)
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
Interview with Lt. Col. Tom McKenney (Ret) -- CLICK.

FROM THE ARCHIVES ---

MIDI - SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST -- scroll down to the second set of songs

There are so few who pass the test
They are the best of all the best
They are called Rangers, strong and proud
And each one stands above the crowd

For those who survived the training
They were set to do what they were told
They were the warriors who were so well prepared
There's none more fierce and bold

To Mogadishu they would go
There was a Black Hawk down they know
Outnumbered one hundred to one
That's when the terror had begun

By greater forces they're outgunned
The U.N. had screwed up, they were stunned
They got into a firefight
They fought 12 hours day and night

For those who survived the training
They were set to do what they were told
They were the warriors who were so well prepared
There were none more fierce and bold

All their requests civilians thwart
They needed armor for support
Eighteen had died, no armor came
Clinton's the one who is to blame

(slight musical interlude)

"Surrender's" no Ranger word

(slight musical interlude)

Eighteen brave heroes died 'cause no armor came
And Bill Clinton is to blame

There are so few who pass the test
They were the best of all the best
They gave their lives to do their part
They are remembered in our heart

They are remembered in...our heart
Yes, in our heart

=======================================

Killed on Oct. 3 and 4, 1993
With posthumous awards.

Sgt. First Class Randy Shughart, a Delta soldier killed defending the crew of Super 64, the Medal of Honor.

Master Sgt. Gary Gordon, a Delta soldier who was killed after jumping in to defend the crew of Super 64, the Medal of Honor.

CWO Cliff Wolcott, pilot of Super 61, Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star and the Air Medal with Valor Device.

CWO Donovan Briley, copilot of Super 61, Distinguished Flying Cross, Bronze Star and Air Medal with Valor Device.

Staff Sgt. William Cleveland, a crew chief on Super 64 Silver Star, Bronze Star and Air Medal with Valor Device.

Staff Sgt. Thomas Field, a crew chief on Super 64, Silver Star, Bronze Star and Air Medal with Valor Device.

CWO Raymond Frank, copilot of Super 64, Silver Star, Air Medal with Valor Device.

Staff Sgt. Daniel Busch, who crashed on Super 61 and was killed defending the downed crew, the Silver Star.

Sgt. Cornell Houston, who was killed fighting on the rescue convoy, the Bronze Star with Valor Device.

Sgt. Casey Joyce, who was killed on the Lost Convoy, the Bronze Star with Valor Device.

Spec. James Cavaco, who was killed on the Lost Convoy, the Bronze Star with Valor Device.

Cpl. Jamie Smith, who bled to death with the pinned-down force around crash site one, the Bronze Star with Valor Device.

Sgt. Dominick Pilla, who was killed on the convoy rescuing Pfc. Todd Blackburn, the Bronze Star with Valor Device.

Pfc. Richard Kowalewski, who was killed on the Lost Convoy, the Bronze Star with Valor Device.

Sgt. Lorenzo Ruiz, who was killed on the Lost Convoy, the Bronze Star with Valor Device.

Sgt. First Class Earl Fillmore, Delta soldier killed moving to the first crash site.

Pfc. James Martin, who was killed on the rescue convoy.

Master Sgt. Tim "Griz" Martin a Delta soldier killed on the Lost Convoy.

22 posted on 02/25/2003 9:09:26 AM PST by doug from upland (Bill and Hillary's first instinct is survival.....their second is to lie.)
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To: Wolverine
Thanks for bringing this back. I did a whole series several years ago called CLINTON AND THE MILITARY. My contempt for this man knows no boundaries.
23 posted on 02/25/2003 9:10:44 AM PST by doug from upland (Bill and Hillary's first instinct is survival.....their second is to lie.)
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To: Wolverine
A tearful bump...
24 posted on 02/25/2003 9:42:00 AM PST by redhead (Our complaint manager is Helen Waite. If you have a complaint, just go to Helen Waite.)
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To: redhead; pittsburgh gop guy; jwalsh07; SeeRushToldU_So; ALOHA RONNIE; Bloody Sam Roberts; ...
For those of you who would like learn more about this story, see 29 Chapters of riveting detail and analysis you didn'tIt's well worth your time... see in the movie, Blackhawk Down

'Blackhawk Down' wins E&P Online award.

The Philadelphia Inquirer's "Blackhawk Down" series on Philadelphia Online has won Editor & Publisher's "Best Special Section" award in the Best Online Newspaper Awards competition.

To tell the inside story of what happened when U.S. troops engaged Somalian rebels in Mogadishu in 1993, Philadelphia Online combined the powerful, meticulously reported, novel-like narrative of Inquirer staff writer Mark Bowden with audio, video, photographs and animated graphics to create an entirely new presentation that continues to draw visitors to the site in huge numbers more than a month after the conclusion of the newspaper series.

Believed to be the largest journalism project ever published on the Internet, "Blackhawk Down" beat out 91 other entries in the category, drawing praise from the judges as "excellent" and "very impressive."

25 posted on 02/25/2003 11:16:11 AM PST by Wolverine
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To: Wolverine
The thing that annoyed me most about the movie is the extent to which it downplayed the mistakes of the Clinton admistration that ultimately ended up getting these brave men killed.
26 posted on 02/26/2003 8:22:52 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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