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Posted on 02/27/2003 3:35:45 PM PST by Henk

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To: aristeides
None of the experiments conducted on that flight that we have been told about sound as if they were all that vital.

Mostly science, probably. That is supposedly the purpose of the ISS, so the question now might be whether to put all science on the ISS and stop flying separate shuttle missions except for Hubble type satellite maintenance.

21 posted on 02/27/2003 4:19:17 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
>>...Interesting. Atlantis, Discovery, and Endeavor went to the ISS, but it doesn't appear that Columbia did....<<

Columbia was the first orbiter built. The others were built lighter.

Also, other modifications had to be made to enable the fleet to achieve the orbital inclination of the proposed ISS.

Mods to the main engines, SRB's and ET had to be made.

Taxpayers paid a lot of money in order for the Russians to be a part of the ISS.

The orbit of the ISS favors the Russians.

22 posted on 02/27/2003 4:20:06 PM PST by FReepaholic
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To: roadcat
military dictates for a larger shuttle to put big payloads into low Earth orbit

They won't be using the shuttle for that much longer. Big satellites need big rockets, and the shuttle is about the biggest. The other big one is the Titan IV. A BDB based on shuttle hardware could be flying very quickly if they take that route.

23 posted on 02/27/2003 4:22:55 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
This was the second shuttle built. It was too heavy, ie it wasn't made light enough to be able to get up to the orbit of the ISS.
24 posted on 02/27/2003 4:23:20 PM PST by brooklin
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To: roadcat
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The original designs for space shuttles were for a lighter smaller craft to achieve high orbit and docking with space stations

Wouldn't be surprising to see that idea implemented in the near future.

25 posted on 02/27/2003 4:24:52 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: tscislaw
Enterprise
26 posted on 02/27/2003 4:25:12 PM PST by brooklin
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To: brooklin
>>...Enterprise...<<

I said Columbia was the first "orbiter" built. Enterprise was not an orbiter.

It was a test vehicle.

27 posted on 02/27/2003 4:32:13 PM PST by FReepaholic
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To: RightWhale; aristeides
The payload for STS 107 included carpenter bees, silk worms, ants and spiders--to name just a few—more than 80 experiments flew aboard Columbia during STS-107, including investigations into life sciences, combustion research, material sciences and fluid physics. Most of the life science experiments included specimen samples that were lost in the accident, but many of the other experiment results were downlinked during the mission. STS-107 Payload (pdf file)
28 posted on 02/27/2003 4:52:51 PM PST by NautiNurse (Usama bin Laden has produced more tapes than Steely Dan)
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To: brooklin
This was the second shuttle built. It was too heavy, ie it wasn't made light enough to be able to get up to the orbit of the ISS.

It was scheduled to go to the space station in November of 2003. It was going to be STS-118.

29 posted on 02/27/2003 4:57:24 PM PST by meia
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To: RightWhale
They won't be using the shuttle for that much longer. Big satellites need big rockets, and the shuttle is about the biggest. The other big one is the Titan IV. A BDB based on shuttle hardware could be flying very quickly if they take that route.

The Delta IV and Atlas V will be the new heavy launch vehicles. They are very scalable for different size payloads, and should be much more cost efficient and reliable that the Titan IV. I believe the Titan IV program is coming to an end.

30 posted on 02/27/2003 5:08:11 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: Lokibob
The ISS is not a space hotel. It has limited resources and a job to do.

The purpose of the ISS is to create work for the shuttles. The secondary mission for the ISS and the shuttles is to bring multiculturalism, diversity, and tolerance into space at great expense. An expense than now includes seven lives.

I came across a year old document on the web earlier today. Ironically it said that STS-107 was to have been the Columbia's last mission. The plan was to mothball it to save money. However, since then another mission had been added. Another teacher in space mission planned for later this year.

31 posted on 02/27/2003 5:16:15 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: RightWhale
I found this press release from 1999 that sort of explains the mission of Columbia. 
 
Reading between the lines, Columbia was designed to do the other space related duties, while the rest of the shuttle fleet serviced the ISS.  Some of these duties were : satellite releases, servicing of Hubble, Capture of Chandra satellite and return.
 
The bold part of the press release is what I'm looking at and I put in red the shuttle bay size.  Still have to check the size of the bay in the other orbiters.
 
September 23, 1999
KSC Contact: Joel Wells
KSC Release No. 74-99

COLUMBIA SCHEDULED TO DEPART KSC FOR MAJOR MODIFICATIONS IN PALMDALE, CA.

The orbiter Columbia, veteran of 26 Space Shuttle flights, is slated to depart Kennedy Space Center, FL, on Friday, Sept. 24, headed for Palmdale, CA. The oldest of four orbiters in NASA's fleet will undergo extensive inspections and modifications in Boeing's Orbiter Assembly Facility during a nine-month orbiter maintenance down period (OMDP).

This is Columbia's second OMDP, an action that periodically removes each of NASA's orbiters from flight operations. Though Columbia has undergone other major modifications in Palmdale, CA, its first OMDP was in 1994.

While in California, workers will perform more than 100 modifications on the vehicle. Columbia will be the second orbiter outfitted with the multi-functional electronic display system (MEDS) or "glass cockpit". Last year, Shuttle Atlantis had the full-color, flat-panel displays installed on its flight deck during an OMDP. The new system improves crew interaction with the orbiter during flight and reduces the high cost of maintaining the outdated electromechanical cockpit displays currently onboard.

While her sister ships are being outfitted with external airlocks in support of the International Space Station assembly, Columbia's internal airlock will not be removed during this OMDP. Thus, Columbia will continue to be able to accommodate payloads requiring the orbiter's 60-foot long cargo bay. Though not currently slated to dock with the International Space Station, Columbia will be given additional wire harnesses and connectors while at Palmdale to allow installation of the Orbiter Docking System at Kennedy Space Center. This prepares Columbia for docking operations with the space station if plans change.

While at Palmdale, Columbia's 100 miles of wiring will be given a thorough inspection. This is part of NASA's fleet wide wiring inspection. The wiring problem was first identified on Columbia as a result of the STS-93 mission.

Preparation work for an enhanced Global Positioning Satellite system capability will also be performed on Columbia. When installed, the new system will more accurately pinpoint the orbiter's location in flight. A space-to-space orbiter radio and wireless video modification will increase communication capabilities for Columbia's future crew members and space walkers. In addition to scheduled weight saving modifications, Columbia's radiators or coolant lines will be enhanced for protection from orbital debris.

Columbia was rolled out of KSC's Orbiter Processing Facility bay 3 today, bound for the Shuttle Landing Facility's Mate-Demate Device. Later today, the orbiter will be mated, in "piggy-back" fashion, to the Boeing 747 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA). Ferry flight departure may occur as early as 7 a.m. Friday, Sept. 24.

The coupled orbiter and SCA are expected to make a one-day cross-country flight to California, with a planned refueling stop at the Naval Air Station in Fort Worth, Texas. All ferry flight plans are subject to weather restrictions and alternate landing sites may be selected en route if necessary. The original ferry flight plan included an overnight stop at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona for refueling and to accommodate several Air Force public affairs events. Following the crash of an F-16 at Luke on Monday and an expected one-day slip in Columbia's arrival in Arizona, Luke officials expressed Shuttle support concerns and agreed to cancel the visit.

Ferry flight rules state the orbiter/SCA cannot fly through precipitation, thick clouds or high turbulence. There are also wind and temperature restrictions. Following the modification period, Columbia is expected to return to KSC in July of 2000.

32 posted on 02/27/2003 5:18:16 PM PST by Lokibob
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To: Moonman62
Thank you for saying that! Someone needed to.
33 posted on 02/27/2003 5:53:51 PM PST by jammer
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To: RightWhale
Where do they get the o2, water, food?

If something happened on the ISS, how would 10 people fit into a 3 man rescue vehicle?

There are many things you and I have not considered. I was watching NASA TV the other day, and the ISS residents were putting on their EVA suits. The reason was, they were trying to do it by themselves, without help, in prep for the new caretaker mission. If one astronaut got sick, the other one would be forced to don his EVA suit alone, and NASA wanted to know if it could be done. This is just one example of the things you and I don't know or really think about.
34 posted on 02/27/2003 6:02:19 PM PST by Lokibob
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To: Henk
Got a link?

I looked on their website, all I saw was the video they had on the air this AM about the puncture found on top of the wing over the landing gear well.

35 posted on 02/27/2003 6:28:14 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber!)
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To: Moonman62
Another teacher in space mission planned for later this year.

The teacher who was scheduled to go on that mission was also Christie McAuliffe's backup on the Challenger. One lucky woman.

36 posted on 02/27/2003 8:07:33 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Dog; Hillarys Gate Cult; RightWhale
Sorry folks, I couldn't check the thread due to slow performance on FR today. By MSNBC "screwed up" I meant that they started to show the video, and the reporter said that any second now you will see some part fly off the shuttle, but it never flew off and they ran out of time for their "newsbreak".

Anyway, I posted because I thought I'd give a heads up to those interested. Sorry I had no link, I saw it on TV.

37 posted on 02/27/2003 8:41:15 PM PST by Henk
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To: Lokibob
This leaves me wondering if it had a GPS and if so, why the shuttle was lost for however long it was lost before they figured out it had crashed.
38 posted on 02/27/2003 8:51:55 PM PST by SteveH
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To: RightWhale
DB based on shuttle hardware could be flying very quickly if they take that route.

If such a booster were built, the remaining modules for the ISS should be launched with it instead of the shuttles. It would take fewer launches to get them up if all the weight it lifts can stay in orbit rather than most of it coming back to Cape Canaveral. If most of the the supply missions to the ISS were flown by unmanned missions, the space shuttles chould be modified to allow much longer duration flights. If shuttles could stay docked for 1-3 months to the ISS, it would be possible to have larger crews long before the new space plane is ready to fly.

39 posted on 02/27/2003 11:00:18 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (This space left intentionally blank.)
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