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Idiot GOP Senate Set to Shaft Estrada?
rushlimbaugh ^ | 2/28/2003 | rushlimbaugh

Posted on 02/28/2003 5:57:59 PM PST by TLBSHOW

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To: marajade
That would mean that Hatch, Santorum and Frist now all lie... I don't think so...

Past retreats from such declarative statements have been spun away as less than "lies" -- that's such a crudely harsh, almost honest word for a politician to use. Like you, I am very encouraged by their brazen talk. But I've been around too long to bite this early, so I'll know they really mean it when Dr. Frist forces Senate Dems to filibuster around the clock.

51 posted on 02/28/2003 7:54:57 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: TLBSHOW
Reread the article...

Nearly everyone else on this thread understands that Rush is admitting he made a mistake... why can't you?

Need more schooling?
52 posted on 02/28/2003 7:57:05 PM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: TLBSHOW
Robert Novack Told Inside Democrats today that Frist is playing hardball and will keep it up until this is resloved
53 posted on 02/28/2003 7:57:17 PM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: PhiKapMom
I actually agree with going 24/7 if things don't change

And I know you know that the Senate leadership says this is a possibility. Absolutely!

I only say this as if it comes to pass, it will NOT be because feet were held to the fire. I believe Sen. Frist is a man of his word, and if says they will use ALL options as necessary, then that is what he will do.

54 posted on 02/28/2003 7:58:59 PM PST by cyncooper (God Be With President Bush)
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To: PhiKapMom
You have to ask why the story is still there then?
55 posted on 02/28/2003 7:59:00 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: nicmarlo
There was no need to post this article at all. This was cleared up early today and everybody knows it.
56 posted on 02/28/2003 8:00:08 PM PST by Wait4Truth (God Bless our President!)
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To: marajade
So what does Rush mean here?

If these Democrats want to filibuster the first Hispanic nominee to the D.C. Circuit Court, let them do it! I know they say there are new rules making a filibuster harder, but so what? And don't tell me that it's not "practical" anymore, because people have to go to the bathroom. That's nothing new.

Force them to get out there and filibuster this eminently qualified man, as rated unanimously by the American Bar Association.
57 posted on 02/28/2003 8:00:22 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Wait4Truth
Rush is telling the GOP to do some work and no excusses.....
58 posted on 02/28/2003 8:01:19 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW
I asked Fox in an email while they are still running a story with quotes taken out of context! Getting less impressed with Fox and Major Garrett by the minute!
59 posted on 02/28/2003 8:01:48 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: cyncooper
Great post and as PhiKapMom said I actually agree with going 24/7 if things don't change.
60 posted on 02/28/2003 8:02:18 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: cyncooper
I believe they will go 24/7 only when Senator Frist determines it is the right time and only way to get the nomination through.

Personally I would like to see it to show the American people that the RATs will do anything to defeat this nomination of a qualified Hispanic!
61 posted on 02/28/2003 8:03:27 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: TLBSHOW
Great post and as PhiKapMom said I actually agree with going 24/7 if things don't change.

Certainly you don't think the idea of going 24/7 is springing forth from today's happenings.

The Republicans have said for days if and when it becomes necessary they will do it. The time has not come yet.

You are acting like it was just now proposed.

62 posted on 02/28/2003 8:07:58 PM PST by cyncooper (God Be With President Bush)
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To: PhiKapMom
I really think the fox story was a trail balloon and when Rush ran with it first thing and spent most of the first 2 hours with it that the call was made to Rush with a word of no. And of course with all the help of those who called the offices of republicans to tell on Rush. LOL

Rush spent most of the week slamming the antiwar movement but when he saw the republicans were going to cave he was upset with the republicans and said so on his show over and over. Rush even said what was the point of getting rid of Lott.
63 posted on 02/28/2003 8:09:21 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: PhiKapMom
I believe they will go 24/7 only when Senator Frist determines it is the right time and only way to get the nomination through.

I agree.

One by one the dems' excuses for blocking this vote are being taken away, like being given the opportunity to ask their "questions" they claim they want answered.

64 posted on 02/28/2003 8:10:31 PM PST by cyncooper (God Be With President Bush)
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To: Wait4Truth; Howlin; cyncooper
Well, I didn't even know there was any discussion on this today at all, much less the outcome....so, this thread being posted was, at best, misleading to people such as me who didn't know that FOX had even reported wrong information, then retracted it.....I thought this was "the" position.....which caused me alarm.....only by Howlin and cyncooper posting and linking to the 2:00 p.m. discussion did I learn this was wrong info.
65 posted on 02/28/2003 8:11:58 PM PST by nicmarlo (** UNDER GOD **)
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To: TLBSHOW
but when he saw the republicans were going to cave

Just remember: The Republicans were NOT going to cave. You can say they were until you are blue in the face, but that does not make it so.

The Fox story was not the only article out there on this subject, putting the lie to the trial balloon business. Fox would not retract a story simply because the Republicans said "we didn't mean it". They said it was WRONG.

66 posted on 02/28/2003 8:20:19 PM PST by cyncooper (God Be With President Bush)
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To: TLBSHOW
I am going to repeat this one more time -- THE FOX STORY WAS NOT A TRIAL BALLOON!!!!!

The Fox piece by Garrett was a hit piece by Fox. The headline of this story was a hitpiece by Rush. The headline does not match the story which means Rush changed the story and didn't change the headline.

Now Fox has only changed some of Garrett's story on their website. It still is wrong!

Why can you not admit that Garrett wrote a hit piece on the Republican Senate that was wrong and Rush ran with a wrong story from Fox?
67 posted on 02/28/2003 8:22:36 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: TLBSHOW
"...but when he saw the republicans were going to cave he was upset with the republicans and said so on his show over and over.

Rush was wrong. The Republicans were never going to cave.

YOU are wrong. The Republicans were never going to cave.

It is not a trail balloon. It is a trial balloon.

In order for it to be a trial balloon, it would have required the Republicans to deliberately give false information to Fox News.
I seriously doubt that happened.

The only other explanation is that the story issued by Fox was wrong.

To recap: Rush was wrong. You are wrong. Fox was wrong.

68 posted on 02/28/2003 8:26:53 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: PhiKapMom
I wonder if Brit Hume regrets hiring him now... Maybe we should email Brit and tell him we want Garrett sent back to CNN...
69 posted on 02/28/2003 8:27:38 PM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: PhiKapMom
Self-validation is a STRONG motivator.

Self-delusion is the gas that fuels self-validation.
70 posted on 02/28/2003 8:29:12 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: PhiKapMom
The fox story last night was from an exclusive interview with Bill Frist if I read it right.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/853356/posts?page=
71 posted on 02/28/2003 8:29:29 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: marajade
I wonder that too! I found it interesting that Tony Snow was involved in clearing up the story too.

I know I would like to see him sent back along with some of the MSNBC people they picked up!
72 posted on 02/28/2003 8:30:09 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: marajade
I'm going to give Garrett the benefit of the doubt and assume he made a serious error. Everything I have read about him is that he is a strong convervative who was miserable at CNN.

It is also possible that whoever edited this story put their own 'twist' on it, I suppose.
73 posted on 02/28/2003 8:31:44 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: justshe
Then they need to clean it up...
74 posted on 02/28/2003 8:32:39 PM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: TLBSHOW
Give it up! Its over!
75 posted on 02/28/2003 8:33:17 PM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: PhiKapMom
Because Rush has this story linked at his site,well the new story linked, the one from tonight from Fox News.

Here In an exclusive interview with Fox News, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist

Republicans Try to Break Filibuster on Estrada


Friday, February 28, 2003

WASHINGTON — Debate continues on the fate of President Bush's judicial nominee Miguel Estrada after Senate Republicans and the White House wrestled Thursday with a fateful choice — whether to call for a vote to break the Democratic filibuster or string out debate with no-near term hope of victory.





Calling for a vote is fraught with peril, but GOP Senate leaders say they plan to do it, they just aren't sure when.

The vote will be legislative history. The decision to call for a "cloture" vote on an appellate court nominee would overturn more than two centuries of Senate precedent and rewrite the constitutional definition of "advise and consent."

Republicans would need 60 votes to break the filibuster and they know they don't have them. The move toward a defeat on the floor next week could doom Estrada, one of Bush's lawyers in the Supreme Court case that determined his presidency.

In an exclusive interview with Fox News, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said he sees no other options but to press for a vote to break the Democrats' filibuster. A decision is expected Monday and a vote could come as early as mid-week next week.

"The ball is in the Democrats' court and they've chosen to play in a way that to get a filibuster to be broken, our only procedural move can be a cloture vote," Frist said. "Our goal is to have him confirmed and we will continue to use every procedural tool we possibly can. We certainly won't be voting on cloture tomorrow we may early part of next week."

But Frist emphasized that a vote to break the filibuster would not mark the end of the Estrada struggle.

"I would think the battle is just beginning. At that juncture, we would know who we need to talk to. I've got a feeling, I've got a sense that Democrats are entrenched, and our goal is to pull them out of those trenches. It may take a few days. It may take a few weeks — it may take months — but it's my goal to pull them out of those trenches," Frist said.

So far, Republicans are only guaranteed 55 votes to confirm Estrada, who would be the first Hispanic on the Circuit Court for the District of Columbia. If there were no filibuster, that would be enough to get him confirmed.

http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79845,00.html


76 posted on 02/28/2003 8:35:15 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW
Let's make this simple. I am going to haunt you until you answer my question. Say the Republicans keep the Senate in session 24/7. At midnight, the Dems decide to go home and go to bed. How do you stop them? And even if you could do it, how is that going to change their minds.
77 posted on 02/28/2003 8:35:48 PM PST by ACAC
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To: PhiKapMom
Just noticed this on the link to that story: Fox News' Major Garrett contributed to this report. I'm betting somebody's head was on the block....but it looks like Major Garrett was not the sole writer here, no?
78 posted on 02/28/2003 8:35:52 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: marajade
No. 1: Rush is right 98.5% of the time. If he was wrong this time, and he admitted that he was, the stats still aren't bad. Who you going to trust more to be right, besides God?
No. 2: If we accept the above as being true, which it is, then hasn't a lot of time been wasted with comments above?
Think, if all that energy were spent in prodding our gutless wonders in the US Senate to stand up for the Estrada nomination.....!!!!!!!!
79 posted on 02/28/2003 8:38:10 PM PST by Nucluside
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To: TLBSHOW
Frist told Fox News that he had no choice but to call the Democrats' bluff on the filibuster. A vote is scheduled for next Tuesday. (from story)

The last sentence was wrong. They never planned to vote on Tuesday -- never, ever!

Since you brought up the article, here are the first paragraphs with my comments:

WASHINGTON — History was made in the U.S. Senate Thursday, but it wasn't the kind that Republicans or the Bush administration wanted to confront. (That is an outright lie! History was not made in the Senate Wednesday night!)

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist decided to call a procedural vote to break a Democratic filibuster against U.S. Court of Appeals nominee Miguel Estrada. The filibuster against a judicial candidate was historical in itself. (The procedural vote was a quorum call only to bring Senators to the floor and was not a vote to end a filibuster -- if Garrett had bothered to watch the proceedings he would have known that)

The decision to call for a "cloture" vote on an appellate court nominee overturned more than two centuries of Senate precedent and rewrote the constitutional definition of "advise and consent." Never before has a nominee been caught this deep in the web of Senate politics. (The bolded part is a lie! There was no "cloture" vote" on Wednesday night! To put that in the beginning of the article was a lie! Don't know what else to call it except if you want to be kind, you can call it bad reporting!)

Now that is just the first paragraphs of the article and anyone reading can see that was not a TRIAL BALLOON. Maybe Senator Frist better think twice about talking to Major Garrett in the future!

80 posted on 02/28/2003 8:38:29 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: justshe
Last night when the story went up on Fox, Major Garrett's name was at the top!
81 posted on 02/28/2003 8:39:32 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: Nucluside
"Think, if all that energy were spent in prodding our gutless wonders in the US Senate to stand up for the Estrada nomination.....!!!!!!!!"

They are... and this post proves it...
82 posted on 02/28/2003 8:40:27 PM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: PhiKapMom
Ah....didn't know that. Thanks!
83 posted on 02/28/2003 8:41:06 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: PhiKapMom
was it? or was it like this as a contributer?...

Republicans Seek to End Debate on Estrada
Fox News ^ | 02/27/2003 | Fox News' Major Garrett contributed to this report.


Posted on 02/27/2003 7:22 PM EST by mrb1960


WASHINGTON — History was made in the U.S. Senate Thursday, but it wasn't the kind that Republicans or the Bush administration wanted to confront

84 posted on 02/28/2003 8:42:16 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: PhiKapMom
sorry here is the link

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/853356/posts?page=
85 posted on 02/28/2003 8:43:46 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW; Wait4Truth
I went to the website and it was there in big bold letters at the time of the story "By Major Garrett" and I started griping about Garrett at that time to a Freeper! I was fit to be tied because the story was wrong!

Guarantee you if it had been Major Garrett contributed to the story, I wouldn't have been so mad.

86 posted on 02/28/2003 8:44:09 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: TLBSHOW
What happened was I was looking for a story on the Net about the Estrada nomination and went to the Fox site looking for any story I could find. I saw there was a story about Estrada and clicked on it. At the time I saw it Garrett's name was right at the top.

Then when the article was posted on here I noticed it said contributed to by Garrett but I didn't go back and check the website. I noticed now that Garrett's name is at the bottom.

If it had been at the bottom when I saw it last night, I wouldn't have gotten so mad because I would have figured someone else was helping write it.

Either way, Fox wrote a wrong story!
87 posted on 02/28/2003 8:46:53 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: marajade
Why are you being so...so...so Dem-like about this thread? Why are you lambasting TLBSHOW for posting it? It seems pretty evident to me that Rush originally believed Garrett's report on FNC and probably got upset about it just like most of US did. I was here as a participant on the live thread the other night --- until 2AM or so --- and it DID seem like the GOP was caving. It was confusing to me and apparently to other Freepers as well. It must've seemed that way to Garrett and maybe he wasn't thorough in his reporting. Today Rush heard from Hatch and Frist who said the Fox report was wrong and he is relieved. What's the problem with that? Why would you say something like "need more schooling?" We should stick together rather than divide!
88 posted on 02/28/2003 8:48:57 PM PST by arasina (If you stand for principle, it will stand for you.)
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To: PhiKapMom
they corrected it as the link from last night now goes to the new story with what I see as the only correction so far.

here is what looks like was corrected

this
Frist told Fox News that he had no choice but to call the Democrats' bluff on the filibuster. A vote is scheduled for next Tuesday.

TO THIS

In an exclusive interview with Fox News, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said he sees no other options but to press for a vote to break the Democrats' filibuster. A decision is expected Monday and a vote could come as early as mid-week next week.




89 posted on 02/28/2003 8:50:27 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Always A Marine; TLBSHOW
Trent Lott could always be counted on to bend over for the Democrats, and and we'll soon see if Dr. Frist is made of sterner stuff. I'm still watching...

Yes we will soon see if Frist is made of sterner stuff than Lott. Lott was terrible -- wouldn't you agree TLBSHOW?

90 posted on 02/28/2003 8:50:54 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: arasina
I'm not the one with the problem... I understand completely...
91 posted on 02/28/2003 8:51:59 PM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: arasina
I was here until 2 a.m. and after and the Republicans were not caving -- Sen Frist, Graham, and Sessions proved that after most people had left. We tried to explain to everyone what was going on that best could be described as psychological warfare by the Republicans. A lot of defeatist on that thread didn't understand what was going on and wouldn't listen. Those of us who stayed until the end figured out what was going on.

Garrett is supposed to know all about the Congress and not make a mistake of saying this was an historic event and that the Republicans lost Wednesday night. It was obvious from his article that he did not observe what was going on.

Read the first part of Garrett's story -- he was dead wrong -- it was not an historic cloture vote as he stated.

92 posted on 02/28/2003 8:53:38 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: PhiKapMom; TLBSHOW
Yes, PKM was very furious last night - as soon as she read it - because she knew the info was bad. Freepers need to stop falling for media spin - it is so often incorrect and starts a lot of heartburn for no reason. Everybody needs to chill on Estrada...the President and the Republicans are NOT going to cave!
93 posted on 02/28/2003 8:54:35 PM PST by Wait4Truth (God Bless our President!)
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To: marajade
SO YOU DO UNDERSTAND THE CORRECTION AT FOX NEWS HERE

In an exclusive interview with Fox News, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said he sees no other options but to press for a vote to break the Democrats' filibuster. A decision is expected Monday and a vote could come as early as mid-week next week.





94 posted on 02/28/2003 8:54:40 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Wait4Truth
"Freepers need to stop falling for media spin - it is so often incorrect and starts a lot of heartburn for no reason."

Freepers and Rush Limbaugh need ...
95 posted on 02/28/2003 8:55:42 PM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: TLBSHOW
They also took out the first three paragraphs about it being a bad night for Republicans and those paragraphs I commented on which were the really bad ones and the ones that were not correct!
96 posted on 02/28/2003 8:56:13 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: TLBSHOW
"SO YOU DO UNDERSTAND THE CORRECTION AT FOX NEWS ..."

I understand that Garrett got it wrong... I understand that you and Rush Limbaugh ran with it and got it wrong...
97 posted on 02/28/2003 8:56:59 PM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: cyncooper
I believe they will go 24/7 only when Senator Frist determines it is the right time and only way to get the nomination through. That is true, although unfortunate in my opinion. I would much rather see the Republican leadership take off the gloves and make the Rats look like the fools that they truly are. Remember, they are doing something totally unprecedented in the history of our nation. They're acutally filibustering the nomination of a circuit court appointee, and a qualified one at that. The GOP leadership never did this when Clinton appointed judges to the federal bench, and that was when the Republicans actually controlled the Senate! Do the Democrats truly believe in their heart of hearts that we wanted Ruth Bader-Ginsberg to be on the Supreme Court?? Or are they just the frauds they've proven themselves to be?
98 posted on 02/28/2003 8:57:06 PM PST by Jonez712
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To: TLBSHOW
The fox story last night was from an exclusive interview with Bill Frist if I read it right.

And the quote from Frist in that story says that he is determined to get Estrada confirmed whether it takes days, weeks or months.

99 posted on 02/28/2003 9:00:45 PM PST by alnick
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To: marajade
LOL! Rush found out pretty quickly that he was doing some lousy reporting and came right out and corrected it. Some freepers refuse to do the same. Hence, we are still talking about this dead issue.
100 posted on 02/28/2003 9:02:02 PM PST by Wait4Truth (God Bless our President!)
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