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Activists call recycling trash waste of time [Environmentalists call recycling "a complete failure"]
National Post ^ | March 03, 2003 | Michael Friscolanti

Posted on 03/04/2003 7:16:56 AM PST by ZGuy

A group of Swedish environmentalists -- convinced that recycling is a colossal waste of time and money -- is urging people to toss their blue boxes in the garbage.

To the chagrin of fellow environmentalists in Canada and across the globe, the group said burning cardboard, plastics and other household trash is actually much better for the planet than any recycling program has turned out to be.

In fact, the group contends the so-called benefits of recycling are all but nullified by the environmental damage associated with hauling the waste to and from the recycling facilities.

Coupled with the overwhelming cost of collecting, sorting and reprocessing the material, the group is convinced that decades-old recycling initiatives are nothing short of a complete failure.

"Protection of the environment can mean economic sacrifices, but to maintain the credibility of environmental politics, the environmental gains must be worth the sacrifice," the consortium wrote in a recent newspaper article.

At the controls of this latest anti-recycling crusade are five residents of Sweden, a country well-known for its trailblazing initiatives aimed at protecting the environment. Made up of environmentalists and waste-collection companies, the team is lead by Valfrid Paulsson, a former director of Sweden's environmental protection agency, and Soren Norrby, the former campaign manager for Keep Sweden Tidy.

Based in a country already full of incinerators, the campaigners say technology has improved so much in recent years that the process is completely clean and safe. It also allows communities to generate significant amounts of electricity, reducing their dependency on oil.

Environmentalists in Canada, however, dismissed any suggestions that recycling is a foundering experiment that should be immediately scrapped.

"I think they're flying a kite," said Guy Dauncey, a Victoria-based author and environmental consultant. "It's nonsense."

For decades, Canada has built very few new garbage incinerators, largely over concerns that they emit harmful substances. Changing that philosophy is definitely not the way to solve any glitches associated with recycling, said Veronica Sherwood, who co-ordinates the Nova Scotia Environment Network, an umbrella organization for the environmental groups in the province.

"Recycling may not be the best choice," she said yesterday. "It burns considerable precious energy and does in fact add to fossil fuel emissions. However, incineration is not an ecologically sound alternative."

Burning recyclables, said Mr. Dauncey, would still entail the same amount of effort as traditional recycling. Simply ensuring that certain toxins do not filter into the air would involve the same level of methodical sorting that occurs now.

And, he said, transportation costs -- both financial and environmental -- would not decrease if incineration replaced recycling.

"You can't put an incinerator in the middle of downtown Toronto," he said.

"So you've still got to haul the stuff to an incinerator."

David Wimberly, a well-known Canadian environmentalist, said the campaigners are doing nothing more than trying to sell a few incinerators.

Either way, other observers said it is time that Canadians -- who produce approximately 21 million tonnes of garbage every year -- more rigorously debate the merits of recycling.

"It's always worth taking a look at the numbers and looking at the reliability and asking: Have we got the mix right now or should we be trying something else," said Donald Dewees, a University of Toronto professor who specializes in environmental economics.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: environmentalist; environmentalists; recycle; recycling
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To: blackdog
Yes, it gets inspected. Curbside goes to a MRF (material recovery facility) gets sorted to various grades, baled and then sent to mills. The only way the MRF can sell their stuff on a consitant basis is if a mill will buy it. And that is based on consistant quality. Same thing as the warehouse your talking about. large producers of cardboard like the co you are refering to, make a better profit if they bale their own, keep it clean and go direct to mills.
101 posted on 03/04/2003 10:03:20 AM PST by Fidgit
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To: ZGuy
Bump
102 posted on 03/04/2003 10:05:32 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: homeschool mama
Have I answered your question now? I'll be out for a half hour or so...
103 posted on 03/04/2003 10:05:47 AM PST by gridlock (This tag-line is printed with soy electrons on 100% post consumer ether.)
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To: gridlock
Thank you, gridlock! I need to go over some lessons with my daughter but will read, digest and respond to your well thought out post a bit later. :o)
104 posted on 03/04/2003 10:05:49 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: gridlock
Sorry, I still don't follow you. I pump my own gas so my car will run. I recycle so my trash can won,t fill up. In both cases I pay less because of what I do.
105 posted on 03/04/2003 10:06:51 AM PST by Fidgit
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To: gridlock
**Recycling programs force you to do one thing instead of another, recycling waste instead of just throwing it away**

um...what's wrong with that?

off to lessons...be back later.

106 posted on 03/04/2003 10:07:31 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I say we recycle enviromentalists.

Soylent Greens?

107 posted on 03/04/2003 10:09:08 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: homeschool mama; gridlock; blackdog
I gotta get to work. be back tonight. thanks all
108 posted on 03/04/2003 10:09:33 AM PST by Fidgit
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To: Brad Cloven
When this billion dollar boondoggle is behind us, can we trash the non-science of global warming too?

And when that job is done, can we then eliminate the hazardous, dangerous, traffic congesting California Diamond Lanes. Pretty please. There is no possible economic, traffic flow or environmental justification for continuing to reward cars with two occupants some special rights not afforded the rest of us.

109 posted on 03/04/2003 10:10:05 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: johniegrad
Melrose Dutchmen!!!

That's it! She graduated from there, and we went to one of the reunions a few years ago.

110 posted on 03/04/2003 10:10:25 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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To: Fidgit
See ya later, hon. :o)
111 posted on 03/04/2003 10:12:14 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: stylin19a
recycle yard clippings ? In the desert? Can you tell me how that works ?

Believe it or not, all the newer homes here now have lawns which are a huge pain in the arse to maintain/water...we have gravel; but the thing on yard clippings is we have a separate can for when we prune the citrus, bouganvillea, cactus, etc.

Speaking of which, I do believe it's a law here that anything requiring pruning MUST have thorns and stickers....adding to the great pleasure of yard maintenance.

112 posted on 03/04/2003 10:14:12 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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To: Brad Cloven
"Global warming models predict that night time temperatures in the winter in the north should be the first thing to rise."

Maybe they have. It COULD have been -20 so -14 ipso facto presto change-o proves global warming is happening! [sarcasm/off]

113 posted on 03/04/2003 10:18:55 AM PST by Adder
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To: Hanging Chad
Actually no, as funny as it sounds! The post consumer they are refering to is typically large industrial sources. Weyerhauser or Champion really don't care to get your junk mail. They want clean cardboard with no staples, stickies(mailing labels), plastic bands, inserts, and such.

The household consumer does not provide a consistant product like this.

When you are running a paper machine producing 3000' per minute on an 8' roll, anything that gums up the works can be very expensive on hardware and downtime.

114 posted on 03/04/2003 10:37:41 AM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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To: Sunshine Sister
More info on using gray water in California --
The state Department of Health Services has stringent guidelines that ban using water from the toilet or the kitchen. The water that is used must be piped 9 inches underground and used for landscaping or trees only. It may not be used on vegetable gardens because there is too much chance of passing on dangerous microbes, state officials said.

So if you run the kitchen faucet waiting for the water to get hot, you can't collect the water in a pan and throw it in the garden without breaking at least two state laws since the water is from the kitchen, and the water didn't pass through an underground pipe.

These are the same folks who told us that water was so precious we were not to flush our toilets unless we had gone "number two".

We've actually had commercials saying, "If it's yellow, let it mellow; If it's brown, flush it down."

115 posted on 03/04/2003 10:43:07 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: Fidgit
Sorry, I still don't follow you. I pump my own gas so my car will run. I recycle so my trash can won,t fill up. In both cases I pay less because of what I do.

Do you pay for garbage by the can where you are? If so, this would be a positive incentive for recycling, if recycling costs less per can. But your incentive is probably eaten up by the subsidies on recycling, which is charged back to you in other ways.

The jury rigged system does make recycling an economically viable choice in some cases, but only does so at the cost of infringement on freedom and through hidden subsidies. If you are one of the winners of this system, you would be silly not to take the money.

116 posted on 03/04/2003 10:44:51 AM PST by gridlock (This tag-line is printed with soy based electrons on 100% post consumer ether.)
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To: ErnBatavia
thanx.... it was driving me nuts :)
117 posted on 03/04/2003 10:45:35 AM PST by stylin19a (all in all - I'd rather be golfing)
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To: stylin19a
If you want a challenge, try and plant any size cactus that's too large to hold in a pair of tongs in the ground! Think about it - ya gots to pull it, somehow, out of it's little nursery pot,and then set it straight in the hole.

It's a real booger! Check the bottom 2 pics on my profile page, and you'll see "Cholla" cactus - a/k/a "jumping cactus"...aptly named, because it seems if you even get near 'em you end up with zillions of targets for the medicine cabinet tweezers.

118 posted on 03/04/2003 10:58:06 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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To: blackdog
"..When you are running a paper machine producing 3000' per minute on an 8' roll..."
- - -
that depends on the kind of mill and the type of product.
some use dlk
some use pre-consumer
some use post consumer
some use office wastepaper
some use virgin pulp
newsprint? linerboard? medium? tissue? gypsum board paper?
most use some mixture of all of these
most folks think "paper is paper"
it ain't
119 posted on 03/04/2003 12:57:21 PM PST by Hanging Chad (not to be confused with "Hanging Ten" or "Hanging Wallpaper"...)
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To: blackdog; Fidgit
**Weyerhauser or Champion really don't care to get your junk mail. They want clean cardboard with no staples, stickies(mailing labels), plastic bands, inserts, and such.**

Actually, Weyerhaeuser does accept those things, with the exception of plastic bands.

120 posted on 03/04/2003 2:34:16 PM PST by homeschool mama
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