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Activists call recycling trash waste of time [Environmentalists call recycling "a complete failure"]
National Post ^ | March 03, 2003 | Michael Friscolanti

Posted on 03/04/2003 7:16:56 AM PST by ZGuy

A group of Swedish environmentalists -- convinced that recycling is a colossal waste of time and money -- is urging people to toss their blue boxes in the garbage.

To the chagrin of fellow environmentalists in Canada and across the globe, the group said burning cardboard, plastics and other household trash is actually much better for the planet than any recycling program has turned out to be.

In fact, the group contends the so-called benefits of recycling are all but nullified by the environmental damage associated with hauling the waste to and from the recycling facilities.

Coupled with the overwhelming cost of collecting, sorting and reprocessing the material, the group is convinced that decades-old recycling initiatives are nothing short of a complete failure.

"Protection of the environment can mean economic sacrifices, but to maintain the credibility of environmental politics, the environmental gains must be worth the sacrifice," the consortium wrote in a recent newspaper article.

At the controls of this latest anti-recycling crusade are five residents of Sweden, a country well-known for its trailblazing initiatives aimed at protecting the environment. Made up of environmentalists and waste-collection companies, the team is lead by Valfrid Paulsson, a former director of Sweden's environmental protection agency, and Soren Norrby, the former campaign manager for Keep Sweden Tidy.

Based in a country already full of incinerators, the campaigners say technology has improved so much in recent years that the process is completely clean and safe. It also allows communities to generate significant amounts of electricity, reducing their dependency on oil.

Environmentalists in Canada, however, dismissed any suggestions that recycling is a foundering experiment that should be immediately scrapped.

"I think they're flying a kite," said Guy Dauncey, a Victoria-based author and environmental consultant. "It's nonsense."

For decades, Canada has built very few new garbage incinerators, largely over concerns that they emit harmful substances. Changing that philosophy is definitely not the way to solve any glitches associated with recycling, said Veronica Sherwood, who co-ordinates the Nova Scotia Environment Network, an umbrella organization for the environmental groups in the province.

"Recycling may not be the best choice," she said yesterday. "It burns considerable precious energy and does in fact add to fossil fuel emissions. However, incineration is not an ecologically sound alternative."

Burning recyclables, said Mr. Dauncey, would still entail the same amount of effort as traditional recycling. Simply ensuring that certain toxins do not filter into the air would involve the same level of methodical sorting that occurs now.

And, he said, transportation costs -- both financial and environmental -- would not decrease if incineration replaced recycling.

"You can't put an incinerator in the middle of downtown Toronto," he said.

"So you've still got to haul the stuff to an incinerator."

David Wimberly, a well-known Canadian environmentalist, said the campaigners are doing nothing more than trying to sell a few incinerators.

Either way, other observers said it is time that Canadians -- who produce approximately 21 million tonnes of garbage every year -- more rigorously debate the merits of recycling.

"It's always worth taking a look at the numbers and looking at the reliability and asking: Have we got the mix right now or should we be trying something else," said Donald Dewees, a University of Toronto professor who specializes in environmental economics.


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KEYWORDS: environmentalist; environmentalists; recycle; recycling
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1 posted on 03/04/2003 7:16:57 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy
I say we recycle enviromentalists.

Maybe they will come back to earth as relevant, useful human beings.
2 posted on 03/04/2003 7:21:21 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: ZGuy
When this billion dollar boondoggle is behind us, can we trash the non-science of global warming too?

It's minus 14 degrees in Fargo this morning, and record lows are being set here all the time. Global warming models predict that night time temperatures in the winter in the north should be the first thing to rise.

I wish it were true, but it ain't.
3 posted on 03/04/2003 7:25:45 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Peace is Good, Freedom is Better!)
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To: ZGuy
The eco-fascists knew that recycling was a scam when they proposed it. The purpose was to make it more expensive for corporations to do business, and bring down overall corporate profits. But corporations do not pay costs, and they do not pay taxes. They collect these costs and taxes from their customers. When no market developed for the recycled goods, or the costs proved to be in excess of the returns, the whole concept fizzled.

Incineration works. The supposed dangers of smokestack emissions are mitigated or eliminated completely by the careful application of technology. The principle of co-generation puts incineration on a paying basis in a way that recycling never could.
4 posted on 03/04/2003 7:26:54 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: ZGuy
I agree and after many discussions with the Engineer of one of our old "burn" facilities, plastic was causing more problems than anything.

How big was the last plastic container you took home that held two little cream puffs?? How many plastic garbage bags did you use this year??

Years ago, we "sold" our newspapers and rags to a dealer. We sewed the holes in our socks. We put our coffee grounds and egg shells in our gardens.

Plastic?? I'm trying to think of "What was made of plastic??" when I was a kid. Toys in the cereal boxes, Canasta trays, some dolls....???? Not much.

5 posted on 03/04/2003 7:27:56 AM PST by Sacajaweau (Hillary: Please read the Constitution for your homework.)
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To: Sacajaweau
My Hubby has been saying for years that this recycling stuff is utter crap. Apparently there are piles and piles of this stuff sitting around waiting for someone to recycle them. We did awaky with this years ago. The neighbors frown at us.
6 posted on 03/04/2003 7:29:42 AM PST by cajungirl
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To: Brad Cloven
It's minus 14 degrees in Fargo this morning,

Uffda! It's unseasonably cool here in the SoCal desert also - supposed to be mid 60's today, when the norm for this date is close to 80! Wifey always checks the Fargo weather in tandem with Minneapolis to see how it might be in the Melrose, MN area - from whence she emanated.

Recycling - I often wonder about the value, since we now have three belching (and oil leaking) trucks to collect the garbage....Regular, recycle, greens/yard clippings.

7 posted on 03/04/2003 7:29:47 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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"Yep Emma, those enviro kooks just woke up. I told you it'd take thirty years or so."
8 posted on 03/04/2003 7:31:13 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 7, Staterooms As Low As $510 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Maybe they will come back to earth as relevant, useful human beings.

Or at least a nice, rich mulch.

9 posted on 03/04/2003 7:32:38 AM PST by gridlock (tag-line)
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To: ZGuy
The Skeptical Environmentalist

Highly recommended reading for those interested in the current state of thinking on environmental issues.

10 posted on 03/04/2003 7:33:31 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Fidgit
ping
11 posted on 03/04/2003 7:34:07 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: ZGuy
Well, I've not studied the science or economics of recycling. I also, as a conservative, have big problems with the environmentalist movement (they've screwed up domestic oil drilling, transportation issues, etc.)

However, recycling is something I've actually enjoyed doing over the years. I actually get some small satisfaction knowing that my aluminum cans, plastic bottles and newspapers are going to be reused as opposed to filling up the local land fill.

Interestingly, if you take diapers out of my family's garbage production, our recycling volume is greater than our regular garbage volume. I think that's kind of cool.

Part of my conservatism has always been to not be wasteful. So, my family recycles enthusiastically. At the same time, I'm not into telling other people they should be exactly like me. That, I think, is the way recycling should be. Allow people to do their part, but don't come down like a ton of bricks on the people who choose not to. THAT would be wasting resources... Just me own $.02.
12 posted on 03/04/2003 7:34:46 AM PST by WI Conservative 4 Bush
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
No, it'll will be just like recycling cardboard, the time, effort, cost and pollution it would cause would be more costly than a brain and personality transplant.
13 posted on 03/04/2003 7:38:05 AM PST by tiki
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To: cajungirl
Apparently there are piles and piles of this stuff sitting around waiting for someone to recycle them. We did awaky with this years ago. The neighbors frown at us.

You're not alone, Cajungirl. Years ago, when I was living in Boston, I got sick of separating my trash like a good little automaton. I just started throwing EVERYTHING out.

For a while, my roommate was actually fishing my trash out of the garbage to clean and recycle (I guess we all need a hobby) and lecturing me, indirectly, on the horrors facing our planet because of my reluctance to rinse out my gallon milk jugs.

I was too busy writing my novel and enjoying my life to give a damn. This no doubt lost me many karma points.

Hubby Big Guy and Rusty and myself now live in beautiful sunny Florida, and we continue to ignore the mandates to recycle. Still, we encounter the occassional raised eyebrow and comment about our recycling non-habits. I figure if they want to rinse out our milk jugs and peel the wrappers off soup cans, more power to 'em. That's what we need, more clean land fill...

Keep the faith! ;-)

Repogirl

14 posted on 03/04/2003 7:38:44 AM PST by RepoGirl (I can't think of anything witty to go here.)
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To: Brad Cloven
We even have incinerators that totally burn tires now. The technology has really improved over the years. Get it hot enough and you can vaporize just about anything. And an ethanol plant administrator I know said that we're almost ready to turn landfill garbage into fuel.
15 posted on 03/04/2003 7:40:01 AM PST by formercalifornian (Global warming is welcome in the upper Midwest)
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To: ZGuy
I love it when two moronic groups fight over who is more stupid.
16 posted on 03/04/2003 7:40:13 AM PST by antienvironmentalist
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To: ZGuy
Great post, thanks.

The NYTimes Magazine did a cover story along these lines a few years ago. It may have had a tiny effect on the thinking of a few, e.g. NY Mayor Mike Bloomberg, who has drastically cut back the city's recycling program.

But there'll be no convincing the majority of people on this topic, I'm afraid.

That's because 'environmentalism' is a RELIGION.

17 posted on 03/04/2003 7:40:47 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Maybe they will come back to earth as relevant, useful human beings.

Or use them as fertilizer in our gardens.

18 posted on 03/04/2003 7:41:46 AM PST by A2J (Those who truly understand peace know that its father is war.)
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To: ZGuy
Plastic recycling is probably more important than paper, etc., because it depends more on a non-renewable resource.
19 posted on 03/04/2003 7:43:01 AM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobin Mugatu, Zoolander)
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To: ZGuy
One thing I always found comical....Go to some remote town in Mexico, order a coffee and meal. The coffee comes in a china cup, the cream is thick and poured from a pitcher. The butter comes in a big blob, the salt and pepper are "grind your own". Your silverware is real metal, your plate is chipped but clean. If you had ordered too much food, there are a few dogs and cats who make their living off of scraps, hanging outside. No "to go box" needed here.

That is a consumer in the backward third world.

Now in an enlightened society...The coffee comes in three foam treated paper cups, as to not burn you. The cream must be poured from plastic capsules, usually taking three. The coffee is stirred by a plastic stirrer. The butter is in capsules similar to the cream, but five of the butters are needed, adding to the heap of garbage sitting on the table. Your meal arrives on foam plates, salt and pepper is in paper envelopes(as is the sugar), the utensils are plastic wrapped in plastic. Of course there are civilized leash laws in enlightened urban areas, so no dogs can make a living out of handouts. They wait to be euthanized out of view of your "to go" foam box.

Even the French let you bring your dog with you into a cafe'.

Starbucks alone creates as much waste as the entire backwards population of Bolivia. But Starbucks is enlightened on such matters, the people of Bolivia just practice environmental stewardship because they can't afford to buy all that food wrapped in trash that civilized countries do.

20 posted on 03/04/2003 7:43:11 AM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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To: ZGuy
Sure takes these whack-jobs a long time to reach logic and common sense. Liberalism clearly disables intelligent thought.
21 posted on 03/04/2003 7:43:25 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: WI Conservative 4 Bush
recycling is something I've actually enjoyed doing over the years. I actually get some small satisfaction knowing that my aluminum cans, plastic bottles and newspapers are going to be reused as opposed to filling up the local land fill.

I know many people like this, including relatively conservative talk show host, Curtis Sliwa, of WABC radio in NYC.

The priests and priestesses of the so-called environmental movemnet have made acolytes of so many! Don't you, as a conservative (presumably, by your screen name), see the absurdity of adopting this 'feel good,' but futile and even counterproductive doctrine?

22 posted on 03/04/2003 7:47:49 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: WI Conservative 4 Bush
However, recycling is something I've actually enjoyed doing over the years. I actually get some small satisfaction knowing that my aluminum cans, plastic bottles and newspapers are going to be reused as opposed to filling up the local land fill.

A few years back, American Spectator Magazine had an article about recycling. What the author of the piece found out was that a lot of the trash hauling contractors pay lip service to recycling when they deal with municipalities. When the recycled goods go down the road to wherever that stuff gets centralized, its often centralized into the same hole in the ground as your other household garbage.

I was watching the recycling truck recently from an upstairs window. The guy jumped out of the cab, grabbed our orange bin containing newspaper, tin cans, plastic containers (only #2), looked around presumably to assure no witnesses, and threw it all into one of the sections on the truck.

23 posted on 03/04/2003 7:48:47 AM PST by RushLake
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To: WI Conservative 4 Bush
Recycling aluminum makes complete sense. The cost of processing aluminum from bauxite is enormous in comparison to recycling costs. It makes economic sense.

Recycling batteries and motor oil also makes sense because it keep highly toxic mateials out of the environment.

However, recycling paper and cardboard makes no sense whatsoever. The market for recyled paper is primarily an artificial guilt-driven "get-involved" market. It doesn't save trees; trees used for paper are generally not "wild" or "old-growth" - rather they are trees that are specifically planted by the paper industry that are harvested for their specific characteristics. By using recycled paper products, you discourage the planting of these trees by the paper industry.
24 posted on 03/04/2003 7:54:41 AM PST by kidd
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To: RepoGirl
I remember going to White's mercantile in Winston/Salem North Carolina not too long back. Meats hung from the ceiling, you just asked for a chunk and they wrapped it in plain paper. The beans and rice were in 50 gallon trash cans. You just brought your own sack to load. Greens and vegetables were wrapped in a wet cloth you brought with you. But Whites was a store where poor blacks shopped. They could not afford the luxury of generating such huge amounts of garbage. That's progress I guess.
25 posted on 03/04/2003 7:56:20 AM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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To: ZGuy
I consider myself a "green" conservative. Meaning, I try to be a good steward of God's creation. It's hard for me to understand that at our local recycling center, where cans, plastic, and glass are thrown together, that it actually gets sorted out efficiently.
26 posted on 03/04/2003 7:56:41 AM PST by stevio
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To: shhrubbery!
Awfully presumptuous of you to label me an acolyte of the environmentalist movement, just because I believe that recycling is a good idea for my family.

You wrote, "Don't you, as a conservative (presumably, by your screen name), see the absurdity of adopting this 'feel good,' but futile and even counterproductive doctrine?"

I am not into empty 'feel good' measures that's for sure. All I'm saying is that the counterproductiveness of recycling has not been proven to me. Believe me, I'll do some research to see exactly what happens to my glass, plastic, aluminum and paper here in Southeast Wisconsin. But, just because some plastic is piling up in Florida or New Mexico doesn't prove that recycling is bad...

Also, if you read my post, I'm not for telling other people what to do on this subject. Honestly. I think anti-recycling people get a little defensive, just as I think the environmentalists are a bit too radical. I'm a person that acts on my beliefs, and I'm not averse to re-evaluating my positions. I'll try to report on what I find out...
27 posted on 03/04/2003 7:56:41 AM PST by WI Conservative 4 Bush
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To: ZGuy
Has anyone thought of the energy, chemicals and effort necessary to recycle newsprint? About 25 years ago old newspapers were chopped up into blow inplace type insulation, but I haven't seen that product available for years. I know from friends in the waste business that there is virtually no market for old newsprint locally --so what happens to all the newspapers I dilligently collect for recycling? I suspicion they end up in a landfill anyway.
28 posted on 03/04/2003 7:56:44 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
mmmm, Soylent environmentalists. Probably taste lousy.
29 posted on 03/04/2003 8:00:25 AM PST by Lx (So it's now, Duct tape and cover?)
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To: All
Coupled with the overwhelming cost of collecting, sorting and reprocessing the material, the group is convinced that decades-old recycling initiatives are nothing short of a complete failure.

This is obviously not a group of "real" environmentalists. Monetary cost does not matter to real environmentalists.

30 posted on 03/04/2003 8:01:06 AM PST by newgeezer (A conservative who conserves -- a true capitalist!)
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To: WI Conservative 4 Bush
I hate to burst your bubble, but all that recycling you have been doing just goes right to the same landfill as your dirty diapers. The deal was done just to get federal monies to get recycling going. The only thing recycled are the aluminum cans.

Sorry!

31 posted on 03/04/2003 8:01:15 AM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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To: sauropod
You are hereby vindicated in your refusal to recycle.
32 posted on 03/04/2003 8:02:36 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: blackdog
For many years, the secret in Seattle was that paper recylcing was shipped to Taiwan for incineration.

Taiwan got electricity, and we got the bill: Garbage costs went from about $10 / month to about $30 / month.
33 posted on 03/04/2003 8:05:29 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Peace is Good, Freedom is Better!)
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To: ZGuy
An insight into the non-rigorous thinking patterns of your typical enviroweenie:

For decades, Canada has built very few new garbage incinerators, largely over concerns that they emit harmful substances.

No thought as to what emits more harmful substances. Any process that emits any harmful substance is equally bad.

Changing that philosophy is definitely not the way to solve any glitches associated with recycling, said Veronica Sherwood, who co-ordinates the Nova Scotia Environment Network, an umbrella organization for the environmental groups in the province.

Can't change the philosophy! That might mean admitting that we were wrong! And how much do you want to bet that this "umbrella organization" is a figment of Veronica Sherwood's imagination?

"Recycling may not be the best choice," she said yesterday. "It burns considerable precious energy and does in fact add to fossil fuel emissions. However, incineration is not an ecologically sound alternative."

So recycling is not the best choice, incineration is not ecologically sound. Is there any way of dealing with garbage that is acceptable?

Burning recyclables, said Mr. Dauncey, would still entail the same amount of effort as traditional recycling. Simply ensuring that certain toxins do not filter into the air would involve the same level of methodical sorting that occurs now.

It would not just require sorting, but exactly the same amount of sorting that is required for recycling. Let alone the fact that in one scheme you are sorting out different materials for re-use and in the other you are picking out toxins, through some sort of divine miracle, both of these process involve exactly the same level of methodical sorting. Amazing!

And, he said, transportation costs -- both financial and environmental -- would not decrease if incineration replaced recycling.

Again, by some cosmic coincidence, the transportation costs for recycling and incineration are exactly the same. They don't go up or down mind you, but are some kind of universal constant, like e or pi.

"You can't put an incinerator in the middle of downtown Toronto," he said.

So we might as well not put it anywhere at all.

"So you've still got to haul the stuff to an incinerator."

Which makes it just as bad as recycling, don'tcha know.

34 posted on 03/04/2003 8:06:35 AM PST by gridlock (tag-line)
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To: formercalifornian
Moved 14 years ago? Dang, your home has doubled in price in that time....Ouch!
35 posted on 03/04/2003 8:08:11 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: RushLake
In my area, recycling is picked up by a different truck than the garbage. But I have no idea what they do with it after they pick it up. They don't take #6 plastic, which seems odd if all they do is to store it.
36 posted on 03/04/2003 8:09:06 AM PST by The Red Zone
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To: WI Conservative 4 Bush
In total agreement...freepmail coming shortly.
37 posted on 03/04/2003 8:09:16 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: blackdog
"I hate to burst your bubble, but all that recycling you have been doing just goes right to the same landfill as your dirty diapers. The deal was done just to get federal monies to get recycling going. The only thing recycled are the aluminum cans.
Sorry!"

Wow, thanks for the research. I guess I'll just trust you. Again thanks. On second thought, maybe I'll just think for myself, and do my own research.
38 posted on 03/04/2003 8:13:37 AM PST by WI Conservative 4 Bush
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Couldn't afford a home there. That's why were here.
39 posted on 03/04/2003 8:14:15 AM PST by formercalifornian (Don't destabilize Saddam's torture state. Demand "peace.")
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To: blackdog
**I hate to burst your bubble, but all that recycling you have been doing just goes right to the same landfill as your dirty diapers. The deal was done just to get federal monies to get recycling going. The only thing recycled are the aluminum cans. **

Gosh. I'll have to tell that to my husband...who happens to manage a paper and aluminum recycling plant.

Next time you grocery shop take a look at the bottom of the paper bag. That's just *one* clue as to how paper is being recycled.

Toodles.

40 posted on 03/04/2003 8:16:17 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: The Great RJ
The best thing about recycling around here is that the courts make criminals do their "community service" sorting the stuff in the orange recycling bags. I'll toss some cans or bottles in the bag sometimes just to give the thugs something to do.
41 posted on 03/04/2003 8:16:29 AM PST by THE Aardvark
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To: Brad Cloven
All those ships from China don't go back empty after supplying Walmart ya know! They haul our garbage.

BTW, since I have a farm....I shred my junk-mail and paper waste into animal bedding which is later composted after enough manure is added. I cut my own meats. I collect my own eggs. We have an outdoor toilet(seasonally permitted). I found the best shower we have is the one we use on livestock(this was after an unfortunate skunking episode). We drain grey water into the garden. We put up our own canned goods in glass jars. Even construction debris like old plaster and drywall gets crushed and spread on the fields. Chickens and goats will provide you eggs and milk merely by eating what you throw away.

Recycling is for those chained to an urban environment and feel bad about it.

42 posted on 03/04/2003 8:20:01 AM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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To: cajungirl
It's about control, not sanitation.
43 posted on 03/04/2003 8:20:58 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: ZGuy
Don't cha love it when enviromentalists eat their own?
44 posted on 03/04/2003 8:22:37 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: blackdog
**Recycling is for those chained to an urban environment and feel bad about it. **

Hardly.

I commend you for doing your part to recycle. You're fortunate to have land and animals to use up recyclable material. Those who don't live in the country can do their part as well. The success varies with the area. Our area has great success in recycling.

45 posted on 03/04/2003 8:24:06 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: cajungirl
I quit recycling when I learned it only saves 1/4 of 1% of landfill space per year...that's 0.25%. Not worth all the trouble and cost to participate, at least in my view.
46 posted on 03/04/2003 8:27:48 AM PST by IrishRainy
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To: homeschool mama
Post consumer content does not come from household garbage. That is full of stickies and other nasties that those versed in paper industry know of. The post consumer content is from corrugated bales produced by industry, grocery stores and such. And yes, as I said...Aluminum cans are valuable and recycled. Sure we sort it all, but most goes to the landfill.

That darn recycled content toilet paper ain't selling so well either. That's why Charmin, Kimberly Clarke and such import all that eucalyptus pulp for their tissue mills here in Wisconsin. They cut down rainforests and have the pulp sent here on ships.

47 posted on 03/04/2003 8:29:12 AM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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To: IrishRainy
If more communities recycled, that number would increase significantly. There are plenty of areas that have a recycling program in place but the commitment of all is needed to make a significant difference. imho.
48 posted on 03/04/2003 8:37:17 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: blackdog; Fidgit
pinging fidgit to repond to blackdogs post 47.
49 posted on 03/04/2003 8:41:06 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
Good Morning. Seems we have a lot of opinion backed up by very little fact going on here. I guess the 2500 tons a month of sorted grades of paper and corrigated we do here is just a waste of time. We really bale it so that land fills can be filled more efficiently. I wonder what all those little specs on my toilet paper, paper bags and cardboard boxes are?
50 posted on 03/04/2003 8:41:13 AM PST by Fidgit (<------ who's this?)
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