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Activists call recycling trash waste of time [Environmentalists call recycling "a complete failure"]
National Post ^ | March 03, 2003 | Michael Friscolanti

Posted on 03/04/2003 7:16:56 AM PST by ZGuy

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1 posted on 03/04/2003 7:16:57 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy
I say we recycle enviromentalists.

Maybe they will come back to earth as relevant, useful human beings.
2 posted on 03/04/2003 7:21:21 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: ZGuy
When this billion dollar boondoggle is behind us, can we trash the non-science of global warming too?

It's minus 14 degrees in Fargo this morning, and record lows are being set here all the time. Global warming models predict that night time temperatures in the winter in the north should be the first thing to rise.

I wish it were true, but it ain't.
3 posted on 03/04/2003 7:25:45 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Peace is Good, Freedom is Better!)
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To: ZGuy
The eco-fascists knew that recycling was a scam when they proposed it. The purpose was to make it more expensive for corporations to do business, and bring down overall corporate profits. But corporations do not pay costs, and they do not pay taxes. They collect these costs and taxes from their customers. When no market developed for the recycled goods, or the costs proved to be in excess of the returns, the whole concept fizzled.

Incineration works. The supposed dangers of smokestack emissions are mitigated or eliminated completely by the careful application of technology. The principle of co-generation puts incineration on a paying basis in a way that recycling never could.
4 posted on 03/04/2003 7:26:54 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: ZGuy
I agree and after many discussions with the Engineer of one of our old "burn" facilities, plastic was causing more problems than anything.

How big was the last plastic container you took home that held two little cream puffs?? How many plastic garbage bags did you use this year??

Years ago, we "sold" our newspapers and rags to a dealer. We sewed the holes in our socks. We put our coffee grounds and egg shells in our gardens.

Plastic?? I'm trying to think of "What was made of plastic??" when I was a kid. Toys in the cereal boxes, Canasta trays, some dolls....???? Not much.

5 posted on 03/04/2003 7:27:56 AM PST by Sacajaweau (Hillary: Please read the Constitution for your homework.)
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My Hubby has been saying for years that this recycling stuff is utter crap. Apparently there are piles and piles of this stuff sitting around waiting for someone to recycle them. We did awaky with this years ago. The neighbors frown at us.
6 posted on 03/04/2003 7:29:42 AM PST by cajungirl
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To: Brad Cloven
It's minus 14 degrees in Fargo this morning,

Uffda! It's unseasonably cool here in the SoCal desert also - supposed to be mid 60's today, when the norm for this date is close to 80! Wifey always checks the Fargo weather in tandem with Minneapolis to see how it might be in the Melrose, MN area - from whence she emanated.

Recycling - I often wonder about the value, since we now have three belching (and oil leaking) trucks to collect the garbage....Regular, recycle, greens/yard clippings.

7 posted on 03/04/2003 7:29:47 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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"Yep Emma, those enviro kooks just woke up. I told you it'd take thirty years or so."
8 posted on 03/04/2003 7:31:13 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 7, Staterooms As Low As $510 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Maybe they will come back to earth as relevant, useful human beings.

Or at least a nice, rich mulch.

9 posted on 03/04/2003 7:32:38 AM PST by gridlock (tag-line)
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To: ZGuy
The Skeptical Environmentalist

Highly recommended reading for those interested in the current state of thinking on environmental issues.

10 posted on 03/04/2003 7:33:31 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Fidgit
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11 posted on 03/04/2003 7:34:07 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: ZGuy
Well, I've not studied the science or economics of recycling. I also, as a conservative, have big problems with the environmentalist movement (they've screwed up domestic oil drilling, transportation issues, etc.)

However, recycling is something I've actually enjoyed doing over the years. I actually get some small satisfaction knowing that my aluminum cans, plastic bottles and newspapers are going to be reused as opposed to filling up the local land fill.

Interestingly, if you take diapers out of my family's garbage production, our recycling volume is greater than our regular garbage volume. I think that's kind of cool.

Part of my conservatism has always been to not be wasteful. So, my family recycles enthusiastically. At the same time, I'm not into telling other people they should be exactly like me. That, I think, is the way recycling should be. Allow people to do their part, but don't come down like a ton of bricks on the people who choose not to. THAT would be wasting resources... Just me own $.02.
12 posted on 03/04/2003 7:34:46 AM PST by WI Conservative 4 Bush
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
No, it'll will be just like recycling cardboard, the time, effort, cost and pollution it would cause would be more costly than a brain and personality transplant.
13 posted on 03/04/2003 7:38:05 AM PST by tiki
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To: cajungirl
Apparently there are piles and piles of this stuff sitting around waiting for someone to recycle them. We did awaky with this years ago. The neighbors frown at us.

You're not alone, Cajungirl. Years ago, when I was living in Boston, I got sick of separating my trash like a good little automaton. I just started throwing EVERYTHING out.

For a while, my roommate was actually fishing my trash out of the garbage to clean and recycle (I guess we all need a hobby) and lecturing me, indirectly, on the horrors facing our planet because of my reluctance to rinse out my gallon milk jugs.

I was too busy writing my novel and enjoying my life to give a damn. This no doubt lost me many karma points.

Hubby Big Guy and Rusty and myself now live in beautiful sunny Florida, and we continue to ignore the mandates to recycle. Still, we encounter the occassional raised eyebrow and comment about our recycling non-habits. I figure if they want to rinse out our milk jugs and peel the wrappers off soup cans, more power to 'em. That's what we need, more clean land fill...

Keep the faith! ;-)

Repogirl

14 posted on 03/04/2003 7:38:44 AM PST by RepoGirl (I can't think of anything witty to go here.)
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To: Brad Cloven
We even have incinerators that totally burn tires now. The technology has really improved over the years. Get it hot enough and you can vaporize just about anything. And an ethanol plant administrator I know said that we're almost ready to turn landfill garbage into fuel.
15 posted on 03/04/2003 7:40:01 AM PST by formercalifornian (Global warming is welcome in the upper Midwest)
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To: ZGuy
I love it when two moronic groups fight over who is more stupid.
16 posted on 03/04/2003 7:40:13 AM PST by antienvironmentalist
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To: ZGuy
Great post, thanks.

The NYTimes Magazine did a cover story along these lines a few years ago. It may have had a tiny effect on the thinking of a few, e.g. NY Mayor Mike Bloomberg, who has drastically cut back the city's recycling program.

But there'll be no convincing the majority of people on this topic, I'm afraid.

That's because 'environmentalism' is a RELIGION.

17 posted on 03/04/2003 7:40:47 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Maybe they will come back to earth as relevant, useful human beings.

Or use them as fertilizer in our gardens.

18 posted on 03/04/2003 7:41:46 AM PST by A2J (Those who truly understand peace know that its father is war.)
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To: ZGuy
Plastic recycling is probably more important than paper, etc., because it depends more on a non-renewable resource.
19 posted on 03/04/2003 7:43:01 AM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobin Mugatu, Zoolander)
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To: ZGuy
One thing I always found comical....Go to some remote town in Mexico, order a coffee and meal. The coffee comes in a china cup, the cream is thick and poured from a pitcher. The butter comes in a big blob, the salt and pepper are "grind your own". Your silverware is real metal, your plate is chipped but clean. If you had ordered too much food, there are a few dogs and cats who make their living off of scraps, hanging outside. No "to go box" needed here.

That is a consumer in the backward third world.

Now in an enlightened society...The coffee comes in three foam treated paper cups, as to not burn you. The cream must be poured from plastic capsules, usually taking three. The coffee is stirred by a plastic stirrer. The butter is in capsules similar to the cream, but five of the butters are needed, adding to the heap of garbage sitting on the table. Your meal arrives on foam plates, salt and pepper is in paper envelopes(as is the sugar), the utensils are plastic wrapped in plastic. Of course there are civilized leash laws in enlightened urban areas, so no dogs can make a living out of handouts. They wait to be euthanized out of view of your "to go" foam box.

Even the French let you bring your dog with you into a cafe'.

Starbucks alone creates as much waste as the entire backwards population of Bolivia. But Starbucks is enlightened on such matters, the people of Bolivia just practice environmental stewardship because they can't afford to buy all that food wrapped in trash that civilized countries do.

20 posted on 03/04/2003 7:43:11 AM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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