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Activists call recycling trash waste of time [Environmentalists call recycling "a complete failure"]
National Post ^ | March 03, 2003 | Michael Friscolanti

Posted on 03/04/2003 7:16:56 AM PST by ZGuy

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To: blackdog
Yes, it gets inspected. Curbside goes to a MRF (material recovery facility) gets sorted to various grades, baled and then sent to mills. The only way the MRF can sell their stuff on a consitant basis is if a mill will buy it. And that is based on consistant quality. Same thing as the warehouse your talking about. large producers of cardboard like the co you are refering to, make a better profit if they bale their own, keep it clean and go direct to mills.
101 posted on 03/04/2003 10:03:20 AM PST by Fidgit
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To: ZGuy
Bump
102 posted on 03/04/2003 10:05:32 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: homeschool mama
Have I answered your question now? I'll be out for a half hour or so...
103 posted on 03/04/2003 10:05:47 AM PST by gridlock (This tag-line is printed with soy electrons on 100% post consumer ether.)
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To: gridlock
Thank you, gridlock! I need to go over some lessons with my daughter but will read, digest and respond to your well thought out post a bit later. :o)
104 posted on 03/04/2003 10:05:49 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: gridlock
Sorry, I still don't follow you. I pump my own gas so my car will run. I recycle so my trash can won,t fill up. In both cases I pay less because of what I do.
105 posted on 03/04/2003 10:06:51 AM PST by Fidgit
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To: gridlock
**Recycling programs force you to do one thing instead of another, recycling waste instead of just throwing it away**

um...what's wrong with that?

off to lessons...be back later.

106 posted on 03/04/2003 10:07:31 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I say we recycle enviromentalists.

Soylent Greens?

107 posted on 03/04/2003 10:09:08 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: homeschool mama; gridlock; blackdog
I gotta get to work. be back tonight. thanks all
108 posted on 03/04/2003 10:09:33 AM PST by Fidgit
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To: Brad Cloven
When this billion dollar boondoggle is behind us, can we trash the non-science of global warming too?

And when that job is done, can we then eliminate the hazardous, dangerous, traffic congesting California Diamond Lanes. Pretty please. There is no possible economic, traffic flow or environmental justification for continuing to reward cars with two occupants some special rights not afforded the rest of us.

109 posted on 03/04/2003 10:10:05 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: johniegrad
Melrose Dutchmen!!!

That's it! She graduated from there, and we went to one of the reunions a few years ago.

110 posted on 03/04/2003 10:10:25 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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To: Fidgit
See ya later, hon. :o)
111 posted on 03/04/2003 10:12:14 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: stylin19a
recycle yard clippings ? In the desert? Can you tell me how that works ?

Believe it or not, all the newer homes here now have lawns which are a huge pain in the arse to maintain/water...we have gravel; but the thing on yard clippings is we have a separate can for when we prune the citrus, bouganvillea, cactus, etc.

Speaking of which, I do believe it's a law here that anything requiring pruning MUST have thorns and stickers....adding to the great pleasure of yard maintenance.

112 posted on 03/04/2003 10:14:12 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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To: Brad Cloven
"Global warming models predict that night time temperatures in the winter in the north should be the first thing to rise."

Maybe they have. It COULD have been -20 so -14 ipso facto presto change-o proves global warming is happening! [sarcasm/off]

113 posted on 03/04/2003 10:18:55 AM PST by Adder
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To: Hanging Chad
Actually no, as funny as it sounds! The post consumer they are refering to is typically large industrial sources. Weyerhauser or Champion really don't care to get your junk mail. They want clean cardboard with no staples, stickies(mailing labels), plastic bands, inserts, and such.

The household consumer does not provide a consistant product like this.

When you are running a paper machine producing 3000' per minute on an 8' roll, anything that gums up the works can be very expensive on hardware and downtime.

114 posted on 03/04/2003 10:37:41 AM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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To: Sunshine Sister
More info on using gray water in California --
The state Department of Health Services has stringent guidelines that ban using water from the toilet or the kitchen. The water that is used must be piped 9 inches underground and used for landscaping or trees only. It may not be used on vegetable gardens because there is too much chance of passing on dangerous microbes, state officials said.

So if you run the kitchen faucet waiting for the water to get hot, you can't collect the water in a pan and throw it in the garden without breaking at least two state laws since the water is from the kitchen, and the water didn't pass through an underground pipe.

These are the same folks who told us that water was so precious we were not to flush our toilets unless we had gone "number two".

We've actually had commercials saying, "If it's yellow, let it mellow; If it's brown, flush it down."

115 posted on 03/04/2003 10:43:07 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: Fidgit
Sorry, I still don't follow you. I pump my own gas so my car will run. I recycle so my trash can won,t fill up. In both cases I pay less because of what I do.

Do you pay for garbage by the can where you are? If so, this would be a positive incentive for recycling, if recycling costs less per can. But your incentive is probably eaten up by the subsidies on recycling, which is charged back to you in other ways.

The jury rigged system does make recycling an economically viable choice in some cases, but only does so at the cost of infringement on freedom and through hidden subsidies. If you are one of the winners of this system, you would be silly not to take the money.

116 posted on 03/04/2003 10:44:51 AM PST by gridlock (This tag-line is printed with soy based electrons on 100% post consumer ether.)
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To: ErnBatavia
thanx.... it was driving me nuts :)
117 posted on 03/04/2003 10:45:35 AM PST by stylin19a (all in all - I'd rather be golfing)
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To: stylin19a
If you want a challenge, try and plant any size cactus that's too large to hold in a pair of tongs in the ground! Think about it - ya gots to pull it, somehow, out of it's little nursery pot,and then set it straight in the hole.

It's a real booger! Check the bottom 2 pics on my profile page, and you'll see "Cholla" cactus - a/k/a "jumping cactus"...aptly named, because it seems if you even get near 'em you end up with zillions of targets for the medicine cabinet tweezers.

118 posted on 03/04/2003 10:58:06 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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To: blackdog
"..When you are running a paper machine producing 3000' per minute on an 8' roll..."
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that depends on the kind of mill and the type of product.
some use dlk
some use pre-consumer
some use post consumer
some use office wastepaper
some use virgin pulp
newsprint? linerboard? medium? tissue? gypsum board paper?
most use some mixture of all of these
most folks think "paper is paper"
it ain't
119 posted on 03/04/2003 12:57:21 PM PST by Hanging Chad (not to be confused with "Hanging Ten" or "Hanging Wallpaper"...)
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To: blackdog; Fidgit
**Weyerhauser or Champion really don't care to get your junk mail. They want clean cardboard with no staples, stickies(mailing labels), plastic bands, inserts, and such.**

Actually, Weyerhaeuser does accept those things, with the exception of plastic bands.

120 posted on 03/04/2003 2:34:16 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: Fidgit
check out 119.
121 posted on 03/04/2003 2:35:51 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: blackdog
Recycling is for those chained to an urban environment and feel bad about it.

When Philadelphia went to recycling a few years back and we all had to use those buckets, everything went out on the same day.

I would sort my trash and "file" it correctly, until one day

The trash truck rolls up and everything is tossed into the truck- a regular big yellow trash truck. I stopped filing my trash after that.

122 posted on 03/04/2003 2:47:05 PM PST by NativeSon (<-100% recycled Big Bang Matter -yes, Pun intended)
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To: homeschool mama
See post #122

It is obvious that recycling in some pockets may be somewhat effective, but on the whole, as in Philadelphia, it is a scam.

123 posted on 03/04/2003 3:09:29 PM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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To: blackdog
Thanks for the ping to read #122.

It's sad to impliment a program and then trash it...so to speak. I wonder if the recycling center in Philadelphia sorts it at a central plant...or has convicts sorting it (good reason to shred papers with personal info on them). Folsom State Prison does sort jobs for the greater Sacramento area...trust me, I shred. :o)

We have 2 roll-bins, each about 4 ft tall. They're filled to the brim every two weeks. Our regular trash is maybe 1/3 full each week. Oh...and we have the yard waste bin too. I'd like to get a chipper and big composter some day..great for the gardens.

124 posted on 03/04/2003 9:01:30 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
Philly has an incinerator in Roxborough, a section of the city. They transfer there too.

I would say that unless you are within a 100 mile distance of a paper mill, and an old one which makes no tissue(which there are less and less each year), recycling even paper is a silly venture(sorry to gore your ox). Paper composts wonderfully.

Between the float cell de-inking, debonders, stickies removal, bleaching aids, extra release agents, and the associated added processes, make it a real headache.

I would like to see more invested from private industry on digesting micro-organisms. Ones designed to eat plastics, paper, rubber, solvents, and garbage. They made a real good one that eats oil. Landfill technology has been based on capping each few feet and odor control,The exact opposite of what's good for bugs. Those little bugs dosed into each cubic foot of garbage could be like a bunch of bulemics at a Shoney's Buffet.

Philly does have model sewage treatment though. They do a super job there. Credit where credit is due and all.

125 posted on 03/05/2003 5:11:01 AM PST by blackdog ("But that's what I do" A quote from my Border Collie)
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