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NORTH KOREAN MISSILE WARHEAD FOUND IN ALASKA
Korean Times ^ | March 4, 2003 | Staff Report

Posted on 03/04/2003 8:13:05 AM PST by ewing

North Korean Missile Warhead Found in Alaska

The warhead of a long range missile test fired by North Korea was found in the US state of Alaska, a report to the National Assembly revealed yesterday.

According to a United States document, 'The last piece of a missile warhead fired by North Korea was found in Alaska,' former Japanese Prime Minister Taro Nakayama was quoted as saying in the report.

'Washington, as well as Toyko, has so far underrated Pyongyang's missile capabilities.'

(Excerpt) Read more at times.hankooki.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; US: Alaska; US: District of Columbia
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To: Sabertooth
The DPRK announced concurrent with the 1998 launch that they'd successfully orbited a satellite. Independent verification of a satellite was never made.

Either they had their lies ready to go, or they really were trying to launch a satellite.
101 posted on 03/04/2003 8:51:12 AM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: ewing
That'll finally get the lefties POed when they realize N. Korea can hit ANWR.
102 posted on 03/04/2003 8:52:52 AM PST by putupon (Boycot Michelin/Goodrich (Fr) and Contiental/General (Ger) Tires, & FStone, US but they suk)
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To: ewing
I was doing a search on that question just now... "Didnt one of the Chinese Generals threaten LA with the long range missles a few years back? (before he was rebuked by Condi Rice) "

Read This:

http://www.oism.org/cdp/mar2001.htm

I'm leaving my desk now...I'll look again for that question when I'm back.
103 posted on 03/04/2003 8:53:41 AM PST by Calpernia
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To: ewing
Odd that not one of the articles on this supposedly current news story gives any indication of when the thing was found.
104 posted on 03/04/2003 8:54:01 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = VERY expensive, very SCRATCHY toilet paper.)
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To: ewing
Pyongyang, "Crap, I sliced it...."
105 posted on 03/04/2003 8:54:38 AM PST by Greek
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To: mabelkitty
Holly Crap! I didn't think of that!

< Leaves desk before tin foil makes it on my head >
106 posted on 03/04/2003 8:54:55 AM PST by Calpernia
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To: Jeff Head; All

107 posted on 03/04/2003 8:56:15 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Give us back the USS Pueblo and we'll call it even.

In 2001 the NKs sailed the USS Pueblo around the Korean Peninsula for use as a museum at another location. We could have seized it then if we had wanted it. It's still ours, theoretically, but it was decided that it was not worth it.

108 posted on 03/04/2003 8:57:00 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: cake_crumb
Or even WHAT was found..
109 posted on 03/04/2003 8:57:05 AM PST by ewing
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To: ewing
Because a satellite launch would be launched eastwards due to the earth's rotation, it is fairly difficult to distinguish a NK satellite launch from a NK ballistic missle attack.

And we didn't then, and currently do not, have any ability to shoot down such a missle; ballistic missle defense is not deployed operationally.

It would be somewhat embarassing for the US to launch a nuke attack on NK and have their launched missle turn out to be a satellite.

Hence, I don't think you're going to see us launch nukes just because the NKs have launched a missle; there's no point in not waiting to see where such a missle lands.
110 posted on 03/04/2003 8:57:40 AM PST by John H K
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To: Jeff Head
Ping!
111 posted on 03/04/2003 8:58:09 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: Poohbah; Grampa Dave; ewing; longshadow
Either they had their lies ready to go, or they really were trying to launch a satellite.

Right. So the question is whether the fragment is consistent with a satellite, or a warhead?

Given the timing of the announcement of this "discovery," if it's a warhead fragment, that would be a causus belli with respect to the DPRK, eliminating the need for UN involvement, should we choose to go that route.




112 posted on 03/04/2003 8:58:18 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Grampa Dave
Remember those two freighters floating around the ocean that the US was watching? I wonder if they made their deposit then left?
113 posted on 03/04/2003 8:58:35 AM PST by mabelkitty (Let's be pro-active - Start an "Impeach Hillary" campaign before she announces her candidacy)
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To: Poohbah
North Korea wouldn't waste the money on sattelites. They just use that as a guise for testing their ballistic missles.

And as for this warhead, could it be from the dual stage missle they launched over Japan in the mid to late 90's? I heard the far stage hit off the coast of Alaska, maybe so as not to panic the public (and to not alert the North Koreans) the government hid the fact that it actually hit Alaska.
114 posted on 03/04/2003 8:58:40 AM PST by walkingdead (easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: Grampa Dave
See my Post 93

Apparenlty it was debris from a late 1990's satellite insetion attempt. No warhead.

I guess my BS meter was concerning the report that the N. Koreans had tested a longrange ICBM whose warhead ended up in Alaska which is utter nonsense.

IMHO, the satellite fragment is totally plausible.

116 posted on 03/04/2003 8:59:55 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: walkingdead
North Korea wouldn't waste the money on sattelites. They just use that as a guise for testing their ballistic missles.

If you can get a substantial payload to orbit, it's proof that you can chuck an equally substantial payload to intercontinental distances.

117 posted on 03/04/2003 9:00:05 AM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: null and void
That would be news in Alaska. We lose airplanes, people, moose, you name it. A warhead? Did it say "Take That!" right above Made in NK?
118 posted on 03/04/2003 9:00:16 AM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts: Proofs establish links)
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To: mabelkitty
This would have been done by one of their illegal crab/salmon fishing boats.

Those two ships which we have not heard anything probably had missiles sold to Iraq and Iran and maybe something that was radio active.
119 posted on 03/04/2003 9:01:33 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: HARD ATTACK 51
But the Chinese are peaceful!

Ask Diane Feinstein. Her husband owns three companies in China, and Diane would never compromise her position as a Senator to advance her own personal situation?

Beatch!
120 posted on 03/04/2003 9:02:14 AM PST by mabelkitty (Let's be pro-active - Start an "Impeach Hillary" campaign before she announces her candidacy)
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To: Poohbah
"The DPRK announced concurrent with the 1998 launch that they'd successfully orbited a satellite. Independent verification of a satellite was never made."

But a gubmint conspiracy to cover up a DPRNK missile attack against the continental United States is MUCH more believable than a failed satellite launch!

122 posted on 03/04/2003 9:03:20 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = VERY expensive, very SCRATCHY toilet paper.)
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To: Poohbah
If you can get a substantial payload to orbit, it's proof that you can chuck an equally substantial payload to intercontinental distances.

Dual-use technologies make non-proliferation policies an eventual fable.




123 posted on 03/04/2003 9:03:49 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Poohbah
absolutely!
125 posted on 03/04/2003 9:04:39 AM PST by debg
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To: Jeff Head
Should have flagged you to my #112.



126 posted on 03/04/2003 9:04:48 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: ewing
"Or even WHAT was found.."

Yep. You'd think that at least ONE journalist would mention such details if this story weren't really meant to get the "North Korea is much more dangerous than Iraq" crowd breathing steam again.

127 posted on 03/04/2003 9:06:29 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = VERY expensive, very SCRATCHY toilet paper.)
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To: HARD ATTACK 51
Recently it was suggested that Iraq had obtained 'Satellite Jammers' .. making US Satellite Technology obsolete.

The only thing I've seen remotely like what you are describing here is a report that Iraq bought devices that may be able to confuse GPS signals, thereby rendering GPS-guided missles unusuable. But even that story was a stretch.

However, to say Iraq has "satellite jammers" is laughable.

128 posted on 03/04/2003 9:10:50 AM PST by TomB
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To: mabelkitty
But the Chinese are peaceful! Ask Diane Feinstein. Her husband owns three companies in China, and Diane would never compromise her position as a Senator to advance her own personal situation? Beatch!

As the American people are buying Chinese products as fast as they can..........

129 posted on 03/04/2003 9:12:19 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: HARD ATTACK 51
It's only GPS which has absolutely NOTHING to do with missle tracking;

Merely intended by somone on the ground to jam a signal so that a GPS bomb launched at them would land somewhere else.

This was broken by Strategypage.com back in December, but since they reported in a knowledgeable, balanced, un-hyped and non-breathless manner, it got little notice:

"December 12, 2002; In 1999, a Russian firm, AviaConversia offered for sale four different models of GPS jammers (for about $4000 each). This gear only puts out 4-8 watts, making them very tough to find and bomb. And the jammers can effectively block GPS signals out to 150-200 kilometers, depending on terrain. The jammer can run off batteries and weighs between 18 and 26 pounds (without batteries). When operating, the jammers consume less than 25 watts of power. Since AviaConversia announced their product, plans for building your own (from off the shelf components) have appeared on the Internet. Apparently, the parts can be obtained for less than a hundred dollars. Soldering skills required. Already assembled units are also available on the Internet for as low as $40. AviaConversia has since apparently disappeared. AviaConversia made much of its connections with the Russian armed forces and the implied assurance that its jammer worked. There have been no reports of the cheap jammers on the Internet being used, or to what effect. U.S. military experiments found that the cheap jammers were not that effective, and larger ones, built from off the shelf components, and costing nearly $10,000. For the last few years, the Department of Defense has been building and testing GPS Jammer detectors, and building homing systems sensitive to go after them. Other nations, such as Australia, have also been working on ways to defeat jammers. One method already available is to change the GPS frequency. But someone with access to the GPS satellites has to do this."
130 posted on 03/04/2003 9:12:51 AM PST by John H K
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To: Sabertooth
bttt
131 posted on 03/04/2003 9:12:58 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
But the Chinese are peaceful! Ask Diane Feinstein. Her husband owns three companies in China, and Diane would never compromise her position as a Senator to advance her own personal situation? Beatch!

THIS COUNTRY WILL DESTROY ITSELF FROM WITHIN WITH OUR ELECTED COMMIE RATS IN GOVT.
133 posted on 03/04/2003 9:14:38 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: ewing
N. Korea next movetest-firing missile? Tetsuo Hidaka and Takuji Kawata Yomiuri Shimbun Staff Writers

Following North Korea's reactivation of a nuclear reactor and the test of a Taepodong 2 missile engine, both of which were revealed Thursday, a government official said Pyongyang's next move would probably be to test-launch a ballistic missile.

The official indicated that recent events are part of a strategy of intimidation on the part of Pyongyang.

It was reported Thursday that a 5,000-kilowatt graphite-moderated reactor in Yongbyon was reactivated and that a Taepodong 2 rocket booster was tested in January at a missile launch site.

On Thursday morning, after the reactivation of the nuclear reactor was reported, Mitoji Yabunaka, director general of the Foreign Ministry's Asian and Oceanian Affairs Bureau, briefed Foreign Minister Yoriko Kawaguchi on the situation.

"Reactivating a nuclear reactor is the least dangerous of (Pyongyang's) three (diplomatic) cards," Yabunaka said.

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/index-e.htm

Could this be the one?

134 posted on 03/04/2003 9:14:58 AM PST by #1CTYankee
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To: Grampa Dave
Yes!
135 posted on 03/04/2003 9:16:05 AM PST by MEG33
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To: LADYAK
No news here in Wasilla either!
136 posted on 03/04/2003 9:16:06 AM PST by knak (kelly in alaska)
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To: Calpernia
Great catch!
137 posted on 03/04/2003 9:18:20 AM PST by JennysCool (Gimme Shelter -- from idiots)
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To: mabelkitty
"those two freighters.."

Don't we have them under satellite observation?
139 posted on 03/04/2003 9:18:45 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: John H K
Good post John.

Ever get the feeling you're banging your head against a brick wall?

;-)

140 posted on 03/04/2003 9:19:00 AM PST by TomB
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To: ewing
This smells like total nonsense. Wouldn't NORAD be able to detect any airborne ICBM anywhere in the world?
142 posted on 03/04/2003 9:20:51 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: P.O.E.
Well since it was Alaska, it was more likely snow that it fell upon than actual soil.
143 posted on 03/04/2003 9:21:33 AM PST by Guillermo (Sic 'Em)
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To: demsux
I doubt seriously that it's an issue of our not knowing about it.

I suspect it's an issue of not wanting to own up about it.


. . . for various reasons.
144 posted on 03/04/2003 9:22:09 AM PST by Quix
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To: Jeff Head
What they don't say is that it washed up on the beach......When I was stationed in Alaska my EOD team was called out on all kinds of WWII and Korean War era ordnance and the big old glass floats from Japanese fishing nets , mines, ect ect that storms placed above the high tide mark. The Aluetians are a big ole sh*tfilter for the oceans trash.

Just my SWAG on the matter based on my 1st hand experience. Stay Safe !

145 posted on 03/04/2003 9:23:30 AM PST by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: jbind
Sounds about right to me. I see North Korea as a greater threat that needs to be taken care of right away, and in a very swift manner.
146 posted on 03/04/2003 9:23:34 AM PST by MatthewViti
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To: ewing
The Korean Times?
147 posted on 03/04/2003 9:24:57 AM PST by verity
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To: TomB
It was hilarious in (mid-January, I believe) when the lamestream media "broke" the Iraqi GPS jammer story in a "OH MY GOD WE'RE SCREWED NOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO!" tone when the info had been out on strategypage.com for a month already.

I'm still waiting when the media "breaks" the story of what the ONLY army in the world that vaccinates all its soldiers against smallpox is (Hint: It's not Iraq, and it's not China.) Strategypage mentioned it about six months ago.



ROFLMAO...Rush RIGHT NOW is playing a fake tape of the convo between the RC-135 and the NK aircraft....NK aircraft is demanding food :-)
148 posted on 03/04/2003 9:25:20 AM PST by John H K
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To: ewing
this hasn't been validated by any other news service. It was written 8 hours ago. Guess it is a fake? Could use some info.....
149 posted on 03/04/2003 9:25:21 AM PST by mcrommert (Whatever Happened to Compassionate Conservatism?????)
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To: InvisibleChurch
oooooooooooooooooooh

That's rich.

Trouble is, their long range wheelbarrow can do some very big outhouse holes worth of damage.
150 posted on 03/04/2003 9:26:18 AM PST by Quix
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