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NORTH KOREAN MISSILE WARHEAD FOUND IN ALASKA
Korean Times ^ | March 4, 2003 | Staff Report

Posted on 03/04/2003 8:13:05 AM PST by ewing

North Korean Missile Warhead Found in Alaska

The warhead of a long range missile test fired by North Korea was found in the US state of Alaska, a report to the National Assembly revealed yesterday.

According to a United States document, 'The last piece of a missile warhead fired by North Korea was found in Alaska,' former Japanese Prime Minister Taro Nakayama was quoted as saying in the report.

'Washington, as well as Toyko, has so far underrated Pyongyang's missile capabilities.'

(Excerpt) Read more at times.hankooki.com ...


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To: Sabertooth
Perhaps one of fragments ended up in Alaska?

It may have floated up there with all those Nike tennis shoes.

51 posted on 03/04/2003 8:29:07 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: ewing
But the radar would still pick up a low flying ordinace right..

Well, you could avoid ground-based radar by sneaking up inside a fjord, and launching it below the ridge altitude.

But rocket engine plumes are detected by IR signature by satellites.

Perhaps the N. Koreans have a giant secret Sling-shot on a board a one of their ships........

52 posted on 03/04/2003 8:29:17 AM PST by longshadow
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To: Calpernia
Nice recall and quick work.
53 posted on 03/04/2003 8:29:51 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Calpernia
Great find; looks like the story is true. Further proof that the media is controlled by Commies; this should have been big news.
54 posted on 03/04/2003 8:30:20 AM PST by Iconoclast2
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To: ewing
Nothing in our local newspaper here in Fairbanks?
55 posted on 03/04/2003 8:30:29 AM PST by LADYAK
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To: ewing
North Korea is hell--bent on getting attention. Is this just another way to get a reaction out of the US?
56 posted on 03/04/2003 8:30:31 AM PST by Exit148
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To: ewing
Korea Times = monkeycrap!
57 posted on 03/04/2003 8:30:35 AM PST by Reagan Man
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To: KellyAdmirer
The former Japanse PM was stating that Washington 'is underestimating the range of NK Missiles'

If that is the case would it be that suprising for a spent tested warhead to wash up on the Aleutian Island chain?

58 posted on 03/04/2003 8:31:24 AM PST by ewing
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To: Howlin; Grampa Dave; longshadow
Stinks to high heaven.

You're all correct in viewing this with a high level of skepticism, but see my #23 and #47. There are some other possibilities, in between a hoax and an undetected missile.

We need to verify or refute the existence of the purported fragment, and its provenance.




59 posted on 03/04/2003 8:32:46 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: ewing
Here is an interesting chrono on NK. This came up under that Google search I posted too:

http://www.armscontrol.org/pdf/dprkchron.pdf
60 posted on 03/04/2003 8:33:12 AM PST by Calpernia
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To: mhking; Poohbah
The ONLY consolation we have is the fact that it was a dud. Very small consolation, IMHO.

I think we ought to, if possible, shoot the next one down.
61 posted on 03/04/2003 8:33:13 AM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: demsux
Well, they couldn't actually FIRE it to get there, they sent it FedEx...
62 posted on 03/04/2003 8:33:25 AM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to)
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To: Iconoclast2
GOOD POINT!
63 posted on 03/04/2003 8:33:48 AM PST by Calpernia
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To: Sabertooth
I don't know the trajectory of the NK test shots, but IIRC, they were detonated in the stratosphere.

Test launches of ballistic missiles these days are done with dummy warheads (for good reason); if the missile gets away from you and lands on foreign territory with a live warhead, it could start a war. Also, it it failed to detonate, your enemy could pick up your rocket and know exactly what you had for a warhead. None of the N. Korean missile tests launched over Japan have include a live warhead, AFAIK.

64 posted on 03/04/2003 8:34:07 AM PST by longshadow
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To: ewing
Give it 2 days and it'll be for sale on eBay.
65 posted on 03/04/2003 8:34:11 AM PST by sandydipper
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To: ewing
Send it to Drudge, let him verify. I'm at work or I would do it.

drudge@drudgereport.com

66 posted on 03/04/2003 8:34:12 AM PST by shadowman99
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To: ewing
NK has missiles that get get that far up in the stratosphere and rain debris down on Alaska?

I don't honestly have a great grasp of the ballistics and trajectories of their missiles. My scenario might be nothing.

We're agreed, however, that the DPRK didn't deliberately fire an undetected missile at Alaska.




67 posted on 03/04/2003 8:35:37 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: ewing
Things won't change if the U.S. Government doesn't get off their asses and start showing the world why we are a superpower. This bullshit of asking other nations for permission or going to the utterly useless U.N. is hogwash. What a bunch of sh%t. The people we are trying to please by going this route are going to think that way regardless. In the meantime, our enemies think we are weak and defenseless, and have to conjure with other nations in order to be successful. Why do you think North Korea is acting this way, shooting off missiles and starting up Nuclear reactors? Well, they wouldn't if we start a massive troop buildup on their borders are start bombing the sh%t out of their infrastructure. This talk of a "peaceful resolution" to North Korea is absolutely asinine. Do you really want to "chat" with this lunatic and reach a peaceful resolution, which will "essentially" leave him in power? For future administrations to deal with?? (hint, hint, Clinton Administration), or do you want to deal with this lunatic, and remove him from power before it is too late? I think the U.S. Government is making a huge mistake by playing into the hands of our enemies. We have already waited to long to take care of the Iraq situation, and are looking for a peaceful resolution with a communist thug in North Korea. If we don't start acting on both of these fronts soon, we will lose all creditability and G.W.'s approval with go downhill fast. Uncertainty is death, And the U.S. right now does not look like the Superpower that it trully is. I think we need to get our asses in gear, and fast. Time is running short.
Sorry for the rant, and don't worry, I am behind the U.S. 110%, but that's my take on the situation.
68 posted on 03/04/2003 8:36:56 AM PST by rs79bm
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To: hchutch
This debris is apparently from their 1998 satellite launch attempt.
69 posted on 03/04/2003 8:37:12 AM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Calpernia
Another Clintoon coverup ?
70 posted on 03/04/2003 8:37:45 AM PST by tubebender (?)
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To: Sabertooth
Apparently this is debris from their 1998 satellite launch attempt.
71 posted on 03/04/2003 8:37:49 AM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: ewing
This missle warhead - is probably from one of the test fireings they've had recently. It got disconneted from the main body on impact, and floated through ocean currents to one of the Islands in Alaska. IMHO
72 posted on 03/04/2003 8:38:01 AM PST by Core_Conservative (Prayer for those who Serve our Country - I also pray for our President for the Wisdom of Solomon)
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To: ewing

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200303/kt2003030417272311970.htm

`NK Missile Warhead Found in Alaska¡¯

By Ryu Jin
Staff Reporter

The warhead of a long-range missile test-fired by North Korea was found in the U.S. state of Alaska, a report to the National Assembly revealed yesterday.

``According to a U.S. document, the last piece of a missile warhead fired by North Korea was found in Alaska,¡¯¡¯ former Japanese foreign minister Taro Nakayama was quoted as saying in the report. ``Washington, as well as Tokyo, has so far underrated Pyongyang¡¯s missile capabilities.¡¯¡¯

The report was the culmination of monthlong activities of the Assembly¡¯s overseas delegation to five countries over the North Korean nuclear crisis. The Assembly dispatched groups of lawmakers to the United States, Japan, China, Russia and European Union last month to collect information and opinions on the international issue.

The team sent to Japan, headed by Rep. Kim Hak-won of the United Liberal Democrats, reported, ``Nakayama said Washington has come to put more emphasis on trilateral cooperation between South Korea, Japan and the United States since it recognized that the three countries are within the range of North Korean missiles.¡¯¡¯

According to the group dispatched to the U.S., American politicians had a wide range of opinions over the resolution of the nuclear issue, from ``a peaceful resolution¡¯¡¯ to ``military response.¡¯¡¯

Doves, such as Rep. Edward J. Markey, a Massachusetts Democrat and co-chairman of the Bipartisan Task Force on Nonproliferation, called for a peaceful settlement of the current confrontation, by offering food, energy and other humanitarian aid to the poverty-stricken country, while urging the North to give up its nuclear ambitions.

Rep. Markey also said the North should return to the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and the U.S. should make a nonaggression pact with the communist North.

Hardliners, however, warned that the North¡¯s possession of nuclear weapons will instigate a nuclear race in the region, provoking Japan to also acquire nuclear weapons. Rep. Mark Steven Kirk, an Illinois Republican, said the U.S. might have to bomb the Yongbyon nuclear complex should the North try to export its nuclear material to other countries.

Over the controversy concerning the withdrawal of U.S. forces stationed here, most American legislators that the parliamentary delegation met said U.S. troops should stay on the peninsula as long as the Korean people want, the report said.

jinryu@koreatimes.co.kr

03-04-2003 17:27

73 posted on 03/04/2003 8:38:11 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: ewing
Visions of Jimmy 'Da Peanut Man' Carter, grinning that toothy, vapid grin, holding his Nobel Peace Prize for causing a large part of the present mess with NK in one hand...and with the other hand on a chunk of North Korean, long range missile. Maybe he can giggle stupidly and and say 'See! Diplomacy ALWAYS works better than military action, hyuk hyuk!!"

It's the UN's mess. Send Blix back there to finish the job he screwed up years ago. On to Iraq.

74 posted on 03/04/2003 8:38:27 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = VERY expensive, very SCRATCHY toilet paper.)
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To: Wright is right!
This may turn out to be as embarrassing to our air defense as Matthias Rust's flight to the Kremlin was to Soviet air defense.
75 posted on 03/04/2003 8:39:18 AM PST by aristeides
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To: Tai_Chung
Since when did the European Union become a country?

Might as well be - they are mostly idiots anyway - damn socialists!

76 posted on 03/04/2003 8:40:07 AM PST by Core_Conservative (Prayer for those who Serve our Country - I also pray for our President for the Wisdom of Solomon)
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To: shadowman99
Drudge already uses Hole N Ones screen captures from FR, (without credit or link) so I will let him work on this by himself..he probably has already got it being that the article is 7 hours old according to Google
77 posted on 03/04/2003 8:40:08 AM PST by ewing
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To: Calpernia
Good detective work. Here's a snippet for the link you provided:

Q: Could you clarify for us, there are reports out of Japan that part of this North Korean missile might have landed near Alaska. Do you have any information about that?

A: I have no information about it. First of all, as I understand it the only way we have to trace the debris of this missile is through radar tapes, and there is considerable disagreement within our own intelligence community as to how to interpret these tapes. We are continuing, our analysts are continuing, to meet to try to reach a consensus position on this and other questions stemming from that August 31st missile launch.

Q: Is there any evidence that there was a warhead that might have gotten...

A: I'm not aware that there is any evidence of a warhead.

Q: But there's no disagreement about what it was.

A: We believe that they tried and failed to launch a satellite. That hasn't changed.

Q: Will you then just explain a little bit further the question of the disagreement over the dispersal of the debris field. Can you quantify the ranges where the disagreement is? Nautical miles versus nautical miles?

A: No, I don't choose to do that. It's a disagreement on interpreting data at this stage. It could well be resolved. But I don't think whether it went X or X plus 1,000 kilometers is really relevant. What's relevant here is what I stressed last Tuesday and what the State Department has stressed as well, is that that three stage missile with a solid fuel third stage was an advance that shows they have greater capability to fire payloads over longer distances. That is worrisome to us. We are engaged in missile talks with the North Koreans, and we hope that we can succeed in those talks, in convincing them not to continue. But North Koreans are not easy to deal with on these issues.

78 posted on 03/04/2003 8:40:17 AM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: Calpernia
That's exactly what I thought of when I read this article.
79 posted on 03/04/2003 8:40:41 AM PST by Kryptonite (Free Miguel)
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To: Jeff Head
Actually somewhere in the back of my mind there was some report arround 1999 of a Nrth Korean test that was headed towards Alaska. Now Cheyene Mountain has a very good system for predicting balistic impacts. If the missle part were to impact in an unoccupied area they would have upped DEFCON but not necessarily returned fire. If they also tracked it being destroyed as part of the test it merely would have been intel at that point.

I do not know if the BS meter should be pegged to going off the scale or not on this one.

80 posted on 03/04/2003 8:40:43 AM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Polycarp
Thanks Poly, my computer is slow..
81 posted on 03/04/2003 8:41:37 AM PST by ewing
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To: ewing

82 posted on 03/04/2003 8:41:46 AM PST by Calpernia
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To: ewing
`NK Missile Warhead Found in Alaska¡¯



By Ryu Jin
Staff Reporter
The warhead of a long-range missile test-fired by North Korea was found in the U.S. state of Alaska, a report to the National Assembly revealed yesterday.

``According to a U.S. document, the last piece of a missile warhead fired by North Korea was found in Alaska,¡¯¡¯ former Japanese foreign minister Taro Nakayama was quoted as saying in the report. ``Washington, as well as Tokyo, has so far underrated Pyongyang¡¯s missile capabilities.¡¯¡¯

The report was the culmination of monthlong activities of the Assembly¡¯s overseas delegation to five countries over the North Korean nuclear crisis. The Assembly dispatched groups of lawmakers to the United States, Japan, China, Russia and European Union last month to collect information and opinions on the international issue.

The team sent to Japan, headed by Rep. Kim Hak-won of the United Liberal Democrats, reported, ``Nakayama said Washington has come to put more emphasis on trilateral cooperation between South Korea, Japan and the United States since it recognized that the three countries are within the range of North Korean missiles.¡¯¡¯

According to the group dispatched to the U.S., American politicians had a wide range of opinions over the resolution of the nuclear issue, from ``a peaceful resolution¡¯¡¯ to ``military response.¡¯¡¯

Doves, such as Rep. Edward J. Markey, a Massachusetts Democrat and co-chairman of the Bipartisan Task Force on Nonproliferation, called for a peaceful settlement of the current confrontation, by offering food, energy and other humanitarian aid to the poverty-stricken country, while urging the North to give up its nuclear ambitions.

Rep. Markey also said the North should return to the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and the U.S. should make a nonaggression pact with the communist North.

Hardliners, however, warned that the North¡¯s possession of nuclear weapons will instigate a nuclear race in the region, provoking Japan to also acquire nuclear weapons. Rep. Mark Steven Kirk, an Illinois Republican, said the U.S. might have to bomb the Yongbyon nuclear complex should the North try to export its nuclear material to other countries.

Over the controversy concerning the withdrawal of U.S. forces stationed here, most American legislators that the parliamentary delegation met said U.S. troops should stay on the peninsula as long as the Korean people want, the report said.



jinryu@koreatimes.co.kr


03-04-2003 17:27



83 posted on 03/04/2003 8:42:16 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: longshadow
Doesn't look like this one is a dummy..
84 posted on 03/04/2003 8:42:19 AM PST by ewing
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To: longshadow
Test launches of ballistic missiles these days are done with dummy warheads (for good reason); if the missile gets away from you and lands on foreign territory with a live warhead, it could start a war. Also, it it failed to detonate, your enemy could pick up your rocket and know exactly what you had for a warhead. None of the N. Korean missile tests launched over Japan have include a live warhead, AFAIK.

Maybe I missed, but I didn't see where the KT article says the warhead was either live or a dummy.

Is it possible it could have been a dummy, that was self-destructed by remote?




85 posted on 03/04/2003 8:42:19 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: demsux
"How did they fire a missile that reached Alaska, without our knowing about it? Something doesn't smell right here."

You're right: it sure doesn't. But don't forget the clock on Iraq is close to running out.

86 posted on 03/04/2003 8:42:48 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = VERY expensive, very SCRATCHY toilet paper.)
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To: ewing
It's pretty easy to carry anything most anywhere.
87 posted on 03/04/2003 8:45:44 AM PST by El Sordo (Once again, the slow kid in the class....)
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To: jbstrick
My BS Meter is going off...

Here's a BS Meter for you--it may not last long, so save it to your HD while you can


88 posted on 03/04/2003 8:46:27 AM PST by aeronca
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To: Poohbah
Apparently this is debris from their 1998 satellite launch attempt.

That would make sense. A fragment was found, and dubbed a "warhead" by a heavy breather.

Another possibility, is that the fragment is from an errant test missile that was self-destructed, and the satellite story is the sanitized explanation.




89 posted on 03/04/2003 8:46:31 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
At the age of 64, I don't have enough time on earth wasting a single moment checking out anything that Reuters prints.
90 posted on 03/04/2003 8:47:44 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: ThinkingMan
Perhaps China bought if from Clinton in exchange for cash to the DNC?
91 posted on 03/04/2003 8:48:20 AM PST by mabelkitty (Let's be pro-active - Start an "Impeach Hillary" campaign before she announces her candidacy)
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To: harpseal; Sabertooth; Scott from the Left Coast
Apparenlty it was debris from a late 1990's satellite insetion attempt. No warhead.

I guess my BS meter was concerning the report that the N. Koreans had tested a longrange ICBM whose warhead ended up in Alaska.

The satellite fragment is totally plausible.

93 posted on 03/04/2003 8:48:35 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Calpernia
Didnt one of the Chinese Generals threaten LA with the long range missles a few years back? (before he was rebuked by Condi Rice)
94 posted on 03/04/2003 8:48:59 AM PST by ewing
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To: ewing
By the way, this is a South Korean newspaper. So its not simply North Korean propaganda (we hope.)
95 posted on 03/04/2003 8:49:06 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: ewing
Are you suggesting I get my tin foil beanie and connect a NK missile to the Columbia?
96 posted on 03/04/2003 8:49:26 AM PST by mabelkitty (Let's be pro-active - Start an "Impeach Hillary" campaign before she announces her candidacy)
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To: longshadow
If that missile was there, you have nailed how it got there: The only way a N. Korean missile component got to Alaska without triggering a missile attack warning is if somebody snuck it there by ship, airplane, or dog sled.

If it was there, Soddomite probably paid millions to have it carted there and deposited and then found. The whole NK thing is a diversion paid for by the Cash Cow Soddomite.

97 posted on 03/04/2003 8:49:51 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: ewing
And our response is?
98 posted on 03/04/2003 8:49:53 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: dead
This is kind of like Mrs. Clinton finding the Rose Law Firm Billing Records? Call Ken Starr!
99 posted on 03/04/2003 8:49:54 AM PST by GWB00
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To: jbind
An how do we know that this sateilite was carrying at the time?
100 posted on 03/04/2003 8:50:30 AM PST by ewing
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